Elizabeth: the last Queen?

Interesting review of the monarchy from Jonathan Freedland who argues that the Queen is the just about the best thing about the monarchy, but the rest doesn’t look good…

  • ingram

    The Queen is dead, Long live the King.

    Martin

  • slug

    Its certainly true that she is a great Queen.

  • fair_deal

    GSTQ

  • Stephen Copeland

    GSTQ

    An uncharacteristically poor post there, fair_deal!

    G will most certainly not STQ. The grim reaper will get her, as he will get us all. Perhaps you really meant ‘GSTM’ (M = monarchy)?

    In which case, the following questiions:

    1. Why?
    2. Why G? Why not popular choice?
    3. Why no reasoned arguments for your position, instead of a poor slogan?

    PS I thought she looked a bit doddery on the box last night – is that a shared perception, or has it just been too long since I last bothered looking aat her at all? Maybe they’ll have to move up the plans for her visit to the south, for fear she’ll be an embarrassment soon. Again, just a perception, but I think King Charles III will be received with much more warmth in the south that the QE2.

  • slug

    Stephen, salvation takes many forms.

  • fair_deal

    SC

    “uncharacteristically poor post there, fair_deal! ”

    Wasn’t aware slugger had introduced a ratings system for comments. You may consider my post contains a message gap but it sums up what I wish to say on the occassion of her 80th birthday.

  • “Its certainly true that she is a great Queen”

    Why? What has she done, apart from not dying?

    Hmmm… she has it easy actually, unquestioning obedience and sycophancy certainly has it’s perks, right, from now on I’m King Buckfast I of England, kneel before me slug and fair_deal, I am your King!

  • Stephen Copeland

    fair_deal,

    Wasn’t aware slugger had introduced a ratings system for comments.

    ‘Slugger’ hasn’t. That was my rating. You scored 0/10.

    You may consider my post contains a message gap …

    Yup.

    … but it sums up what I wish to say on the occassion of her 80th birthday

    Just that? A simple slogan? Is that all that a royalist (I presume) can come up with? In the battle of ideas you are a few rounds short of a volley!

  • fair_deal

    SC

    “Just that? A simple slogan? Is that all that a royalist (I presume) can come up with? In the battle of ideas”

    A constitutional monarchist not a royalist (I’m glad the roundheads won (even though King William had to do some moping up))

    Today I haven’t went onto the battelfield let alone opened fire. It was not a defence/argument for/attack upon republicansism. The Queen has served the United Kingdon very well and I simply wished to offer a small tribute in the accustomed manner.

  • fabulous diva

    To one F_D from another:

    “I simply wished to offer a small tribute”

    Learn to speak her English!

  • fair_deal

    Diva

    “Learn to speak her English!”

    1. D’oh!
    2. Correction to read “personal tribute”
    3. It was in the printed form so it was written not spoken.

  • Yokel

    I don’t care for an English queen, we have our own who will live longer than her..He does continuity at UTV….

  • Kelvin Doherty

    ” God save the queen
    The fascist regime
    It made you a moron
    Potential H bomb.
    God save the queen
    she aint no human being
    ….”

  • SpiceGirls

    kevlin
    ur a twat – crawl back under ur stone mate.

  • Rod Stewart

    I thought Elton John was the queen of England

  • Stephen Copeland

    SpiceGirls,

    I think he is quoting from an earlier musical offering … from the Sex Pistols. Your own lyrics weren’t so great, so don’t knock Sid’s efforts!

  • Dec

    Stephen

    Rotten wrote those lyrics, not young Sid. I’m not even sure he played Bass on the track.
    That being said Sid did come out with one of the most potent quotes of our time: “I’ve met the ‘average man on the street’…and he’s a c*nt!”

  • Kelvin Doherty

    Stephen and Dec

    Yep, Rotten wrote the lyrics and I think Glen Matlock played the bass when it was recorded.

  • Canadian

    Hail the King of Tory Island! 😉

  • The problem with QE2 for republicans (with a small r, not the Irish kind) she does do a good job, and has done for over 50 years, and few would say that she would be no good as a President. The problem comes when it’s King Charles III, who will, most likely, be the downfall of the monarchy.

    I do agree with Yokel, Queen Julian of Havlock House.

  • TAFKABO

    Elizabeth wont be the last Queen, Camilla will.
    And there’s the rub.

  • Henry94

    I don’t think the question can be resolved as easily as saying that a peoples choice is better than a hereditary position.

    Ceremonial Head of State is a dreary if well paid job. The Queen has I’m sure done a good job. Charles will try to “expand the role” We’ve had that in Ireland with the two Marys.

    It’s a bad idea. Charles can be laughed at but the two girls had a “mandate” so no government was willing to put them in their place.

    The Paddy Hilary approach of playing golf and keeping your mouth shut is the one I would favour. But popular elections tend not to throw up people with that kind of maturity.

    Maybe we should consider asking one of the better houses of Europe (not the Windsors obviously) to provide us with an Monarch.

    Advantages:

    No more President Mary Agenda

    No need for elections.

    Some glamour for young people to identify with rather than horrible celebs

    No political interference either way

    Unionists may find it easier to accept a united Ireland that was not a formal republic.

    Continuity tradition and all the usual advantages.

    Disadvantages

    Not democratic

    Let the debate begin!

  • The headline in today’s Evening Standard was:

    “Charles’s emotional tribute to Queen”

    I never knew he was s fan. Somehow I can’t imagine doing karaoke of “Bohemian Rhapsody” in Wayne’s World style.

  • Brian Boru

    Long live President Mary Mac!

  • missfitz

    You know Henry, I always felt a bit hard done by, not having the opportunity to be President of Ireland.

    Now, I quite like the idea of being Queen. Yes, I really like that.

    I think I will take over and reign regally over the land of my…. erm… oh yes… grandmothers birth

  • David Michael

    missfitz

    If you really wish to be queen you can count on my vote.

  • kensei

    “Maybe we should consider asking one of the better houses of Europe (not the Windsors obviously) to provide us with an Monarch.”

    Unfortunately we can’t. We lost the crown jewels!

  • Henry94

    kensel

    We’ll just put BYOCJ on the invite.

  • missfitz

    Thank you David, and for that, you can stay in Rostrevor as long as you wish.

    Oh wait, that wouldnt be my territory, would it? Well not yet, but maybe one day….

  • David Michael

    missfitz

    “Thank you David, and for that, you can stay in Rostrevor as long as you wish.”

    Ahem! * much simpering and tugging of forelock *

    Was watching David Bamber’s great performance in “Pride and Prejudice” last night. He played the oleaginous Reverend William Collins. Soooo funny.

  • missfitz

    I missed that, we had a soiree in one of the houses on the estate where I live. Do you live near the beach David?

  • Cataegus

    Henry 94

    Why not pick someone at birth by lottery, a bit like the Institution of the Dalai Lama
    Same advantages and disadvantages you list but selection is somewhat wider. May even have been missfitz!

  • missfitz

    Thank you Crat, I am honoured to be thought of so kindly!

    Actually, I got a fairly abusive e-mail frmo another contributor on the site, so I am not sure if I need to continue posting. He made some really horrid remarks about me, so I am feeling a little delicate about the whole slugger thing.

    Your post cheered me up in that context, so thanks

  • TAFKABO

    Missfitz

    You’re not the only one.
    I once got a chraming virus through the post, from a contributor to Slugger.
    Luckily my anti-malware caught it.

    Just like real life, most people are nice, but you need to watch out for the occasional nutter.

  • missfitz

    Hi Taf
    While I am really sorry to hear that story, I was a little relieved too. I took the e-mail very personally, and felt quite embarrassed about expressing my opinions.

    You have at least shown me that it wasnt just me, and for that I feel a wee bit better.

    I guess there are always some mean spirited people out there without the courage to say what they want in a public forum.

  • David Michael

    Missfitz

    “I missed that, we had a soiree in one of the houses on the estate where I live.”

    Ah, but it was a DVD. Borrowed it from a friend. Great series altogether. But as I always say to the vastly superior half: take away the period dress and the money and what are you left with? 🙂

    “Do you live near the beach David?”

    No, behind the Celtic Fjord. But we could hear your “soiree” from there! Or was that the Sandses going ethnic again? 🙂

  • missfitz

    David-
    Oh! I used to live up there, almost 10 years and moved over to the beach about 2 years ago and really enjoy it. Something quite cool about it, even though the beach is filthy and cold!

    Take away the period dress and the money and I guess you’re left with Eastenders!! Romance, intrigue and a bit of snogging.

    Funny enough we had some of the Sandses at the soiree but they were well behaved and reasonably quiet

  • David Michael

    Missfitz

    I’m in one of the new places. Not saying which, coz you never know who might be skulking about on Slugger. Look at that nastiness you had! 🙁

    Did Tommy enjoy his US tour? Lovely chap. Wish there were more like him.

    Oh yes, all right, back to the topic. The queen was it? [yawn]

    I heard someone the other day marvelling at how the royals can live so long. The poor dear didn’t stop to think that when one has four or five of the finest physicians in the land to treat one’s every sniffle and creak, longevity doesn’t seem too hard a call….