Bradley: Board should move to normal asap

Denis Bradley believes it would be healthy outcome if the new policing board were to elect a Nationalist as Chair.

…he admitted that, as a nationalist, he wanted to see a day when someone from his community chaired the board and when the question of a person`s background was no longer an issue when they vied for a job. He recalled that at the SDLP conference he argued for society in Northern Ireland to move away as quickly as possible from the 50-50 recruitment quotas for Catholic and Protestant police officers.

The outgoing vice-chair brushed off suggestions that the election of a nationalist chair would influence whether Sinn Fein eventually ended its boycott of its Policing Board seats. “The reasons why Sinn Fein and the ultimately inevitable outcome of Sinn Fein taking its seats on the board will have nothing to do with me, Desmond Rea, or anybody on this board,” he added. “They will do it for their own political expediency.

  • Tom

    The important part of what Denis says is that we need to move beyond such definitions. Having served with him and Desmond for four and a half years, they made a great team. Anyone who thinks that such a format will be replicated is gravely mistaken. The two candidates mentioned as potential Vice Chair -don’t use the label nationalist and have not been keen to protray themselves as such over the past four years. They are both Catholic but that is a far as it goes. Whoever takes the Vice Chair – they will not and indeed cannot fill the political role fulfilled by Bradley. Nationalists who promote either potential candidate know that and are being disingenious if suggest anything else. To my mind only one of the two is eminently more qualified to bring the required professionalism to the role but common sense rarely out weighs political consideratons.

  • J Kelly

    At the outset of the first PB nationalist argued very strongly for Dennis Bradley to be the chair but agreed to him becoming the vice chair as long as he was on the same wages as the chairperson. Sure if they pay Joe Byrne a good wage he’ll play second fiddle. These peopel have real principles. It used to be the unionost who were accused of being more loyal to the half crown than the crown. How things have moved on. A bit of revisionism by Bradley here hes trying to imply its nationalist turn because the unionist were the agreed choice first time round.

    Second point when Dennis Bradley first went on the PB he predicted that SF would be on the board within the year, two years ago in the Gasyard in Derry Bradley predicted that SF would be on th board within the year and finally he is still making the same prediction. At least a broken clock is right twice a day, Dennis is hoping if he say this often enough he will get it right some time.

  • Mick Fealty

    JK:

    So was Alex Kane right when he suggested that for Sinn Fein the very existence of Northern Irish police represents:

    “most visible aspect of the political reality that there isn’t a united Ireland. They view the police here as the front line of the ‘foreign occupation’.”

  • Tom

    JK
    People like you turn my stomach in terms of lack of graciousness, understanding or logic. I did not question anyone’s nationalism – but then again you may have a problem reading. I know both people – neither would describe themselves as Nationalist. As for your attacks on Denis Bradley – when you have the balls to attempt to play a part -even a small part or to stand up and be counted for something over and above a tired and weary mantras – then and maybe then your views might just count for something – until then continue to snipe from the luxury of anonimit. I don’t think Denis need fear being undermined by your cheap snipes. As for me – I dont seek your or anyone elses approval for my actions – I can make my own decisions. Free world – free speech -freedom of thought – remember?

  • JKelly-

    “At the outset of the first PB nationalist argued very strongly for Dennis Bradley to be the chair but agreed to him becoming the vice chair as long as he was on the same wages as the chairperson. Sure if they pay Joe Byrne a good wage he’ll play second fiddle. These peopel have real principles. It used to be the unionost who were accused of being more loyal to the half crown than the crown.”

    A commenter called ‘Seán’ on my site El Blogador:

    “At the outset of the first PB nationalist argued very strongly for Dennis Bradley to be the chair but agreed to him becoming the vice chair as long as he was on the same wages as the chairperson. These peopel have real principles. It used to be the unionost who were accused of being more loyal to the half crown than the crown.”

    Anyone notice the similarity? Either Sinn Féin supporters are posting using various usernames to create the false impression that they are larger in number than is actually the case, and to convey falsely that there is more widespread support for their views than exists in reality. Or they are incapable of independent thought, and copy each other’s blog comments (complete with bad spelling) to avoid having to think about the issues themselves.

    And so the glorious struggle continues…

  • Yokel

    Post early and post often……

  • Stephen Copeland

    … using various usernames

    Huh? And this from an anonymous poster called El Matador @ ElBlogador.com. Pot, kettle, black …

    Who else might you be? We cannot know, but I bet your mammy doesn’t call you ‘El Matador’ so I guess you’re ‘using various names’.

    Oh, and PS: Seán is the same name as John, as you know well. Many people use the Irish form or the English form interchangably. So it mightn’t be as nefarious as you thought!

  • Stephen-

    How do you know I’m not known as ‘El Matador’- I rather think it’s quite dashing 😉

    Suffice to say, I do not post under various names. What’s the point?

    “Seán is the same name as John”

    That’s a bit of a stretch there. I suppose it’s a bit like the provisionals issuing some statements as ‘Sinn Féin’ and others as ‘P. O’Neill’ or ‘Óglaigh na hÉireann’, when some would argue that they’re all one and the same. Perhaps that’s where the inspiration for such username abuse comes from 😉

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    For all the bluff and bluster of the SDLP representatives on the Policing Board, together with a few of their proxies is that they singularly failed to do what they promised to do, that is hold the PSNI to asccount.

    After the disappearance of the details of four hundred nationalists from Castlereagh in April 2004 the repsonse of the Policing Board in general and the SDLP/proxies was less than industrious.
    The PSNI were able to lie that the details were not in the hands of unionist terrorists. A senior PSNI officer was able to tell Alex Attwood that the details were probably taken for ‘research purposes’.
    What did the SDLP/proxies uncover about the leaking of this information? Nearly two years on how have the SDLP/proxies held the PSNI to account?
    What was the response of the SDLP/proxies when the PSNI eventually travelled around Belfast informing people that in fact their details were now in the hands of the UDA?

    To paraphrase one contributor you don’t need ‘balls’ to sit on your arse and keep your mouth shut.
    The SDLP/proxies did nothing on this issue despite being in possession of the facts for the best part of two years. Is it any wonder safe old Joe Byrne is invited back as an independent. Hold them to account, now there’s a joke.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Any Stoop or one of their proxies care to answer exactly how they held the PSNI to account for the lies they told over a 18 month period? re Castlereagh

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    ‘was that ‘Pat’, ‘Sean’ or ‘J Kelly’??’

    So Brendan your deafening silence indicates that in fact the SDLP have been unable to hold the PSNI to account. By default you are admitting that they are worse than useless and that they lied when explaining their decision to join the Policing Board. Nuff said.

  • briso

    >Any Stoop or one of their proxies care to
    >answer exactly how they held the PSNI to
    >account for the lies they told over a 18 month >period? re Castlereagh

    Pat, how did SF hold the PSNI to account for the lies they told over a 18 month period? re Castlereagh

    It’s a bit rich to complain the SDLP didn’t do a good job while passing up the opportunity to do any sort of job.

  • brendan,belfast

    ‘Pat’ / ‘J Kelly’ / ‘Sean’ / ‘Ned’

    Is policing in a better state now than it was 4 years ago? Do you accept that it is? Is SF are able to maintain that we are closer than ever to achieving a police force they regard as ‘acceptable’ then some progress has been made. How did that come about? yapping on the sidelines, peddling slogans in place of policies?

    Why dont you be honest about the situation?

    I am sure that by now the ‘lines to take’ are ready for distribution.

  • Mick Fealty

    This thread is an excellent example of what happens when people go for the man, rather than the ball.
    I’m going to cut the extranous slagging in hopes people can find the ball and actually play it!

    [Grumbles under breath, “I have work to do!”]

  • J Kelly

    Tom i see you got quite exercised over my post yesterday but I have a question for you and any other who claims what a great job you done on policing regards the 50/50 recruitment. In the following quote you say “The two candidates mentioned as potential Vice Chair -don’t use the label nationalist and have not been keen to protray themselves as such over the past four years. They are both Catholic but that is a far as it goes”

    If they do not see themselves as nationalist maybe this is the reason that the current policing structures are not yet acceptable to the majority of nationalists.

    Do you have the numbers of catholics who were recruited under the 50/50 who would not consider themselves as nationalist politically?

    Your assumption opens a very interesting question over the PB and its functions we were told that the nationalist independents were going to protect nationaliists rights within policing. Now we are told 2 of them are catholics and not political nationalist. Could the NIO not even get enough independent nationalist to fill their quota. Is that how you and your successor twice failed politician Joe Byrne got their seats. Yous are hardly independent, Alex says jump and you say how high.

    El mat Sean on your site is J Kelly on this. I used to post in my own name and because i would be known politically, not elected, people from different political views always brought the issue down to i was running a party line. Which funny enough is only levelled at republicans. After reading Eddie Espies letter are you in the communications cabal.

    Mick why was my second post yesterday taken off, i dont think it was playing the man and the second part was a valid question.

    Did Mark Durkan congratulate Tom Kelly on recieving his honour?

  • J Kelly: “I used to post in my own name and because i would be known politically, not elected, people from different political views always brought the issue down to i was running a party line.”

    Presumably you’re not John Kelly ex-MLA, ex-Sinn Féin then. If you were, then yes, you would be well known and it would have a bearing on interpretations of what you say. Otherwise, I don’t think the issue of your identity matters, as no one is familiar with who you are.

  • J Kelly

    El mat
    The issue here is not about names its about what i and others say. Maybe every time you and a few others who obviously support the SDLP post on this or other site can i accuse you of being in a SDLP communications cabal which monitors the net.

    The point about the wages for the Vice chair is true and neither you nor Tom answered the point.

    By the way sean has posted on your site and is awaiting a response.

  • Mick Fealty

    JK:

    I had to make a call. It was considerably more man than ball.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    briso,

    ‘It’s a bit rich to complain the SDLP didn’t do a good job while passing up the opportunity to do any sort of job.’

    It’s not at all, it is holding the SDLP to account for their own inactions. It was the SDLP who stated they were joining the current Policing Board to hold the PSNI to account. Having taken their seats and taken the money they have apparently taken a vow of silence.

    Brendan,

    ‘Why dont you be honest about the situation?’

    That is what is being sought from the SDLP on their reasons for joining the Policing Board. Whataboutery, for whatever reason is self defeating.
    As of yet not one Stoop or one of their proxies has sought to explain why the SDLP did nothing over the leaking of the details of hundreds of nationalists. At least if they said well, we did f*** all that would at least be honest.

  • pol

    Mick Fealty

    Im sure i posted here.