Collusion Trail Hotting Up?

Tommy Gorman of RTE (amongst others) has carried several reports in the past two months alluding to the imminent publication of a damning Police Ombudsman report into Special Branch collusion with loyalist paramilitaries, particularly in the Mount Vernon area of North Belfast. The case which seems to have ignited the interest was the murder of Raymond McCord, whose father met Taoiseach Bertie Ahern today.
Meanwhile, said Taoiseach has repeated his strong opposition to the British government’s proposed inquiry into the murder of Pat Finucane. Interestingly, it would appear that Britain is experiencing some difficulty in getting an international legal figure who would be willing to head the inquiry, given the level of opposition within legal circles to the British government on this one.

  • urquhart

    Surely this is the same issue that Newton Emerson has been pushing in the Irish News for the last year or more?

  • ingrammartin

    Chris,

    The Ombudsman is sitting on a few contentious reports, non more so than Colleen McMurray.This is investigating RUC involvement of the murder of their own via the IRA.The ONLY stage in town for the collusion story is the Sourthern Tribunal.

    That is the battleground.

    Martin

  • elfinto

    As has been pointed out so many times before there is a world of difference between:

    1. Directing and manipulating loyalist paramilitaries to terrorise a civilian population in an attempt to subvert the IRA

    2. Directing agents within a hotile organisation in an attempt to subvert that organisation.

    One is collusion in the murder of civillians, the other is counter-insurgency,

  • And ‘Martin Ingram’ has completely reversed what is going on in the Republic, and in N.I. when it comes to the inquiries Canadian judge Peter Cory recommended.

    The inquiry in the South into the murders of Breen and Buchanan is going ahead in a free, and open manner while London has made a battleground of those involving the killings of Pat Finucane, Peter Hamill, Billy ‘King Rat’ Wright, and Rosemary Nelson – investigating them in reverse order and with a decreasing order of openness in order to keep covered up the process by which it used loyalists to get rid of troublesome opponents of the GFA.

  • Mayoman

    I’m sure you’re definitions will soothe the pain of those murdered by loyalists in collusion with the State elfinto.

  • Crataegus

    Elfinto

    That is the salient point and there is a feeling abroad that sections of the security forces are hopelessly compromised by previous dealings. Unfortunately in this murky world knowledge is power and it works two ways. The murder of Raymond McCord is the tip of an iceberg below that lies all the intimidation, racketeering and criminal activity.

    Let’s be blunt about this, because of issues surrounding collusion there is a perception that many good and descent citizens have been left by the security services to fend for themselves. Indeed I have heard it said that it would be a mistake to go to the PSNI with issues relating to intimidation. This may be true or it may be false but what it shows is ordinary people’s perception. Many of them if threatened feel totally isolated. It is utterly intolerable that this should continue and that it is not being effectively addressed. It is good to see recent arrests of UDA types and I hope such activity continues and increases.

    The knob of the problem is if collusion does start to unravel it is those that approved the policy that are in the firing line. Unfortunately for that reason we can expect little progress. It would be refreshing, and a major step forward, if someone in authority took this issue and vigorously pursued it. If Blair wants a legacy I would suggest this, but Blair has not the attributes necessary to do this, quite the opposite it would appear.

  • Crataegus

    OOPS

    “KNOB” of the problem, don’t know where that came from, back to bed I think.

  • ingrammartin

    Elfinto,

    Not in the yes of the law both North and South my friend.

    The use of Agents like the IRA/British had within the Sourthern Gardai , customs, govt are acts of collusion.

    Nobody on this board as explained the difference between an Agent within Loyalism using information supplied to kill Republicans and or Security forces members or indeed fellow loyalist activists. .

    AND

    An Agent within Republicanism who uses information supplied by his handlers or is directed to kill members of the the Security forces or fellow members of the IRA.

    Care to explain the difference? both are illegal and covered in common law.

    Martin.

    P.S. Look forward to your response.

  • elfinto

    I would certainly agree that if securtiy force members were killed by the IRA units which were infiltrated by agents and the agent’s handlers connived in the killings then it is a scandal and should be fully investigated.

    Do you think the Brits allowed this to happen in order to force the Brits out? More likely the aim was to allow their agent further credibility within the IRA in order to further subvert the IRA. Do you agree?

    Collusion with loyalists was on a different scale altogether. The objectives were to create war weariness among the Catholic/nationalist population by subjecting them to a campaign of random terror and ,latterly, to enable the recruitment of agents within the IRA by threatening republicans and their families with assassination. The aim of this campaign was to subvert the IRA. Do you agree?

    The agents within the IRA killed other IRA members and possibly a handful of securtiy forces while acting as agents. The agents within loyalist organisations and those who they directed killed hundreds of civilians and a handful of members of the republican movement.

    All of these agents should be exposed forthwith no matter how embarrassing it may be for vested interests. Do you agree?

    Unfortunately the British government has no interest in coming clean about its role in the dirty war. Unless this situation changes the British Army and intelligence services will be free to launch further murder campaigns against civilians in Iraq, Ireland and elsewhere.

    It’s no wonder some call the Union Jack the Butcher’s Apron.

  • Busty Brenda

    elfinto colleen mcmurray was a police officer killed by a british agent within the IRA,

    http://www.royalulsterconstabulary.org/deceased

  • Busty Brenda
  • andy

    Martin
    Mate you should check out the thread on this a couple of days ago

    http://www.sluggerotoole.com/index.php/weblog/comments/the_two_way_problem_with_collusion/
    (sorry couldn’t make this look pretty)
    I think there is a substantial difference between the two situations you outline (except for the victims, of course…)
    I thought Briso and the ULster Scotts guy gave pretty eloquent reasons behind the difference between collusion and infiltration….

    Cheers
    Andy

  • ingrammartin

    Elfinto,

    Quote”I would certainly agree that if securtiy force members were killed by the IRA units which were infiltrated by agents and the agent’s handlers connived in the killings then it is a scandal and should be fully investigated.

    You see my friend I do not mind people like you who know no better but , the incident I quoted is but one example as you record above. RUC Con Colleen McMurray was killed by a device built by an Agent and 20 mins before the attack upon Newry RUC station the POLICE ( The complete shift) were asked to return to the station leaving the area free for the IRA to enter and then thirty minutes later the police were told to leave. What do you think happened Elfinto? one dead lady , one Agent well and truly happy with his nights work and a new device perfected.

    The Ombudsman is delaying reporting upon this attack for political reasons . The BIRW have been told the outcome is very embarrassing for the RUC/PSNI.

    Quote”All of these agents should be exposed forthwith no matter how embarrassing it may be for vested interests. Do you agree?

    I NOT ONLY AGREE BUT I AM THE ONLY ONE TO HAVE DONE THAT EXPOSING AM I NOT?.

    Quote”Unfortunately the British government has no interest in coming clean about its role in the dirty war. Unless this situation changes the British Army and intelligence services will be free to launch further murder campaigns against civilians in Iraq, Ireland and elsewhere

    Elfinto Yes BUT it was not just the British Govt, the Irish Govt, have their little secrets too.

    We must expose Collussion Republican, Nationalist, British, Irish, or indeed any third party who takes life unlawfully. AGREED?

  • ingrammartin

    Andy,

    Yes , I underdstand their argument but they are playing chess with not all the pieces on the board!

    The law is clear on this and like I say by the end of this year the picture on this issue will be clearer. PROMISE.

    Martin