SF’s White House invitation in the post?

Although the US will not be asking any of the Sinn Fein leadership to a personal meeting with President Bush, that remains off limits until Sinn Fein sign up for policing in Northern Ireland, they considering putting them back on the general guest list for the White House for next month’s St Patrick’s Day celebrations. Though Chris Thorton thinks this could present the party with a dilemma if they are still refused the right to raise money for the party whilst there.

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  • Kathy_C

    Hi all,

    SF’s fall from international grace is highlighted by how adams and company are being treated in the US. Adams isn’t viewed as the statesman he once was….

    Maybe adams and sf should re-engage with those who put them on the winning track.

  • FK

    Well that would be Bill Clinton… too bad he isn’t still around… sigh…

    Nothing is going to happen for Sinn Fein during the Bush Administration. They aren’t important to the agenda, and frankly the Neocons view them with distain.

    FK

  • Bush has no cachet in Ireland. Whereas Clinton, Kennedy and Reagan were feted like rock stars, Bush was besieged inside the walls of Hillsborough Castle. There were no “chance” encounters on the Falls Road. DUH!

    That and the Washington visit are pseudo-events, ripe with all the disdain that Boorstin gave them.

  • Kathy_C

    Hi all,

    I just read that Jeffrey Donaldson wants to have the US close the loop hole that allowed adams to fund raise via satellite feed rather than being in person since his visa was denied for fund raising purposes.

    There was a time that almost all of SF came to the US during St. Patricks day events…but not any more…. There are some in the states that don’t like how SF is doing things lately…and it’s good to see that SF isn’t coming over here this year like before. Especially with so many of their negative attitude about Americans. Let’s see how much SF gets accomplished when they have to just rely on themselves….it should prove interesting to watch.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    ‘Maybe adams and sf should re-engage with those who put them on the winning track.’

    Who exactly?

    ‘There was a time that almost all of SF came to the US during St. Patricks day events’

    A ludicrous piece of hyperbole.

    ‘Especially with so many of their negative attitude about Americans.’

    Yeah, best just to ignore the global disaster that America has foisted upon the rest of us through their dead Iraqis for oil campaign.

    ‘Let’s see how much SF gets accomplished when they have to just rely on themselves’

    Hasn’t that always been the case?

  • SlugFest

    Pat Mc Larnon,

    Great post. (And i’m American!)

  • PatMcLarnon

    There is little or no ‘negative attitudes’ being shown against Americans from anyone in Ireland. There is of course just criticism of aspects of the foreign policy being pursued by the current administration. A criticism that is shared by many Americans.

  • FK

    “A criticism that is shared by many Americans.’

    I seriously cannot tell you the last time I spoke to anyone (here in the US) who supported Bush or his war.

  • SlugFest

    FK,

    May I assume you live in an urban area? I’m out in the ‘burbs now, and there’s an awful lot of people who still support Bush and his policies … those same people who choose to only get their news from Fox.

  • Pete Baker

    FK

    Hmm.. Well, there was a Presidential election in 2004.. and the latest polls are, I believe, 45% in favour.. so there’s clearly still a sizable number there who you don’t talk to..

    Just saying.. :o)

  • FK

    Yes Slug and I’m in the Northeast…PURE LIBERALS.
    I was thinking the other night that perhaps we could sue Fox and force them to stop using the word “NEWS” to describe their service.
    Back on point, I don’t blame anyone who views our country in a negative way, because we’ve earned it.

  • SlugFest

    FK,

    Let’s do it! Though we should try to come up with something a bit more devilish for O’Reilly.

    Oh, and i’m in the Northeast too … moved out of NYC a couple years ago … only 60 miles out on Long Island, and i’m telling you, they’re braindead out here!!!!

  • Pete Baker

    OK guys

    Enough frivolity… Perhaps you should continue that particular conversation by email?

  • FK

    yeah,yeah, we’re going, we’re going.

  • SlugFest

    Party Pooper Pete.

  • …the opinions of the US electorate, or that electorate in the US north east (especially NY), is of interest to some on this blog. I find that the political opinions and especially the politicians in the US achieve more in NI’s morass of political developments than anything that might come from the govs of Kildare St and/or Westminster.

    I think that the Hume/Adams Talks envisioned the US participation and the GFA only came about with the helping hand of Bill Clinton. Never before had Wash DC participated and therefore there was never any developments. Now the willingly ineffective GWB has allowed things progress to Dr No’s stalemate and nationalists are just waiting for the next Democrat Prez or for Mrs Clinton to develop a stronger powerbase and take a leading role in NI’s affairs.

    PeteB, nice to see that you hold such high opinion of the electorate by quoting the 45% and dismiss the frivolity of biased media like Fox. I’ve a feeling I’ll be reminding you of this in the future.

    FK and Slugfest, please let me know what you think?

    Niall

  • Pete Baker

    niall

    Read the relevant section of the thread again.. this time slowly.

    I hope I don’t have to remind you to do this every time I post a comment.

  • FK

    Niall

    You are right on the money. Bush and his crew don’t want to participate NI and will not put any effort into the process. It will take a change in the White House for any energy to come out of the US. This administration has it’s agenda, and everyone gets to watch the nightmare unfold.

  • SlugFest

    Niall,

    I’m in complete agreement with you on how the GFA came to be, and I share your hopes for a democratic president in the (relatively) near future.

    However, whether the next president is a democrat or republican, I think it will be a very long time (at least one or two decades) before NI is once again viewed as a high-profile issue. The same Irish American constituency that forced Bill Clinton to deal with NI may well try their damndest to get the next democratic president to do the same, but given the absolute and horrifying chaos that we’ve created in the Middle East, no matter how loudly we clamor for Washington to pay attention to NI, whoever sits behind that chair, even if it’s Hillary Clinton, will be forced to put the people of NI on the backburner. I truly, truly hope I’m wrong on this, but I just don’t think so.

    ps: Thanks so much for nuzhound.com — what a wonderful source for news on NI!

  • I’ve read it and I think it’s important opinion relevant to Slugger (Notes on NI Politics and Culture) as it shows the opinions of the north east of US as this is the area which NI is, and should be, most dependant for political and social development. It spoke of the GWB and his policies and where these opinions might be formatted (ie Murdoch’s Fox news).

    (That was me writing slowly after reading slowly for the benefit of those…I won’t finish that…)

    Pete, can you please be less opaque in your postings…I don’t understand your last posting …maybe it got lost in the fog of condescension ?!?!

  • By FK on Feb 23, 2006 @ 07:04 PM *Niall You are right on the money.*
    By SlugFest on Feb 23, 2006 @ 07:08 PM *Niall, I’m in complete agreement with you on how the GFA came to be, … However,..*

    FK & Slugfest, thank you. Pete, put that in your pipe and smoke it (it’s the politest thing I thought I’d be allowed post).

    However Slugfest, I don’t think that Bubba Clinton had any success in the Mid East, not much in Bosnia and none in Somalia. The shining light of his presidency might be NI. Going forward any future Prez might be wise to see this and concentrate on NI rather than the Mid East or elsewhere thus avoiding a “failed Presidency”. There are only about 1 million people in NI therefore any funding (Wash DC does resolve a lot by funding) would have a much greater benefit in the Sick Counties rather than the heavily populated Palestine or Iraq.

    Presently GWB needs the support of Blair to ignore the UN and claim that their presence in Iraq is a multi national force. Any future US prez mightn’t need a London lapdog and so should be able to put Westminster under greater pressure than that exerted by the biased and wasteful Reiss (remember Sen Mitchell and the great work he achieved).

    Here’s hoping that Wash DC might pay greater attention to NI and also hoping that some, blinded to the world outside of the Sick Counties, might wake up to globalization and the 21st century.

  • Pete Baker

    niall

    My earlier comment referred to your misinterpretation of what I had actually written and the section of the thread to which I was referring.

    It had nothing to do with the rest of your comment.

    Perhaps the focus can now go back to the actual topic rather than the sidetrack.

    BTW SlugFest, Nuzhound is a resource provided by John Fay.

  • SlugFest

    “BTW SlugFest, Nuzhound is a resource provided by John Fay.”

    I picked up on that pretty much as soon as i hit ‘send’ (Niall had it as his email address), but thank you ever so much for pointing out my error, Mr. Baker.

  • Dave

    Good old George can see a terrorist from a mile away, that is what gerry Adams is a terrorist and not a statesman, not that he ever war is the first place?

  • FK

    According to GWB we are probably all terrorists. But this administration doesn’t see GA as a statesman, that is true.

  • Pete Baker

    Slugfest

    Don’t you have a go as well! 😉

    I’m aware of why the ps was added.. but I was making sure that John received the credit for his site.. and trying to dispel any potential confusion elsewhere.

  • SlugFest

    Sorry, Pete! I suppose i was being a bit overly sensitive (i ‘took a reddener’, as yousins say).

    John Fay should indeed get his props — nuzhound.com is a wonderful site … read it everyday.