Sinn Fein opinion split on policing?

I’m not sure what to make of this, but it looks like there is quite a divergence of view on policing within Sinn going into its Ard Fheis. If allowed to go before a plenary, it should make this year’s conference worthwhile reporting on.

  • Hmm.. a quick prediction, Mick.. the decision to call a special conference, at some unspecified point in the future – to reportedly make a decision – will be endorsed.. the rest will fall – including the motion, supported by the Queen’s University Belfast cumann and five others, says Sinn Féin must engage in policing only in “a 32 county republic free from British rule”.

    Holding out the possibility of progress… while the sticks wave around in the background.

    *I know.. I’m sounding very cynical this morning*

  • J Kelly

    Again we have the talk of Sinn Fein splits and the words many and widespread used to imply that the leadership of Sinn Fein are out of touch with its members. True a number of motions on various issues are up for debate but this in no way suggests a split but if there were no motions on these issues these same people in the media would be claiming that the Sinn Fein leadership have stifled debate. The Ard Comhairle motion is obviously a holding position that doesn’t tie the negotiators hands or doesn’t give away any of your intentions. Maybe its no news week and “investigative journalism” was talking the lazy option if nothing to report report a split.

  • fair_deal

    The media seem obsessed with splits this weekend

  • Suzanne(sudie)Elsoffer

    There is no split in Sinn Fein. Here in the United States we are kept abreast of what is going on in the party in Ireland. They are a strong party, there will be no leadership challenge, despite what Tommy Kearney has written which I saw in yesterdays NUZHOUND!!

    Sinn Fein will NOT engage in policing as it currently stands. Patten will have to be implemented first, not after they join!!

    These talks which have begun today will of course help matters, but first the British and Unionist side must do what they promised, and implement Patten. That is the least that is acceptable to Northern Irish catholics!

  • Pete

    I am going to be speaking in favour of the QUB motion but like every Ard Fheis the delegates will decide.

    I feel the QUB motion is representative of the views of a very large section of our community.

    It will also be endorsed by the Youth.

    The Ard Fheis is there for that reason, it is there to debate.

    Any talk of splits is nonsense.

    People will have their say, vote and then accept the decision of the Ard Fheis.

  • fair_deal2005

    “Unionist side must do what they promised, and implement Patten”

    When did Unionists promise to implement Patten?

  • Shore Road Resident

    Who is this Youth?
    Does his mammy know he’s out?

  • SRR

    Youth?

    Ogra Shinn Féin

  • Shore Road Resident

    “Scouting for boys”

  • Shore Road Resident,

    There are plenty of “youths” in Mount Vernon doing things much more sinister. Including allegedly being rseponsible for two sectarian murders while being protecetd by the UVF commanders in that area.

    Makes your cynicism at conference motions seem a wee bit ironic to say the least…

  • martin ingram

    Gaskin,

    Quote”People will have their say, vote and then accept the decision of the Ard Fheis”Unquote

    That as to be the silliest post this year not to say the most untruthful.

    Sinn Fein is not a normal political party, fast forward twenty years and maybe but today it is more like a British old boys club.

    Martin.

    I would dearly love to hear this debate I wonder will the whole conference be televised or will the IRA take over for a few moments and the TV be asked to stop filming?

  • BogExile

    ‘That is the least that is acceptable to Northern Irish catholics! ‘

    And you would know from your exhalted position 6,000 miles away from the nearest crime ridden council estate crippled by anti-social behaviour and low level crime.

    The things I love about Irish Americans:

    The things I hate about Irish Americans:
    That people who didn’t even have a human presence on the North American continent when my ancestors settled in NI and who then proceeded to virtually exterminate their indigenous population think it’s OK to lecture us continuously about our legitimacy.

  • JD

    Bogexile, your ancestors did not settle in NI but in Ireland, unless your ancestral history only stretches to 1922.

  • lib2016

    In fact they tell T. Blair to jump and he asks ‘How high?’.

    Next American election and we’ll be finished with this tedious nonsense. The ancestors of today’s unionists failed in their self-imposed task of sending us all ‘To Hell or Connaught’ and have been regretting it ever since. Sad people!

  • That as to be the silliest post this year not to say the most untruthful

    How so Ingram?

    Unlike you I have been at quite a few Ard Fheis, spoke at them and voted at them as well.

    That is the way the Ard Fheis works!

    Sinn Fein is not a normal political party

    Agreed

    it is more like a British old boys club

    Hardly, your quest to appear relevant has entered a new sphere of desperation.

    I would dearly love to hear this debate I wonder will the whole conference be televised or will the IRA take over for a few moments and the TV be asked to stop filming?

    There are no closed sessions at the Ard Fheis but all of it is not televised, unlike other political parties on this island who do have closed sessions.

    The press is always about.

    Your comment about the IRA just about sums up your knowledge on Sinn Féin.

  • heck

    The problem isn’t that policing has to be on an all Ireland basis. It is the nature of the police force we are being asked to support.

    Until there is an unimpeded international investigation into collusion between the police and loyalist paramilitaries and a “verified and transparent” method to get rid of all those who were even tangentially involved then this poster says no to supporting the PSNI.

    If this is done then I could see myself supporting policing within a Northern Ireland context and on the basis of the GFA, but not before. No way, now how.

    This level of investigation is what Honest Tony is demanding of the Syrians. We should settle for nothing less.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    On the one hand the SF membership are robots and blindly follow the leadership into a political cul de sac from which there is no escape. When it suits and there is evidence of debate and opposing views within the party it constitutes evidence of a split.

  • martin ingram

    Chris,

    Are you saying the IRA does not attend Sinn Fein occassions?

    Quote”Your comment about the IRA just about sums up your knowledge on Sinn Féin.Unquote

    It will be interesting to see if your motion carries the day Chris? any free tickets going?

    Martin

  • Are you saying the IRA does not attend Sinn Fein occassions?

    Of course!

    The IRA is an army, what would they be doing at a Sinn Féin Ard Fheis.

    It will be interesting to see if your motion carries the day Chris?

    Indeed

    any free tickets going?

    Doesn’t work that way Marty boy!