Simon Hughes caught out…

I make that three major mishaps in the Lib Dem leadership race – a mistake or carelessness? Undoubtedly the decision of Simon Hughes to stay in the race is a good decision for wider society, but his volt face on questions about his private life will almost certainly holed his bid for the leadership under the waterline. David Cameron must think Christmas has come not once, but three times.

  • BogExile

    Why does Simon Hughes think that this sort of dissembling is OK.

    What is it about the psychology of Politicians that they are so fundamentally self-obsessed that they believe the public will wear their blatently deceptive behaviour.

    Simon Hughes decides to strike a blow for equality by stating publicly that he has had gay relationships – entirely unrelated to The Sun obviously being in receipt of compromising information. It’s just hypocritical.

    I couln’t give a toss what Simon Hughes sexuality is – it really should have no bearing on his political competence at all. But I’m very disappointed about somebody who appeared to be a genuine and sincere man lireally tripping over his dick.

  • Lurker

    Why don’t all poltiicians, when asked about their sexuality or private life simply refuse to answer? It is none of the media’s business who they shag or how.
    The excuse papers make is that it is an integrity issue – but only becomes an integroy issue when they deny it. He should never have denied it or affirmed it. He should have played it the way Cameron did with the drug question.

  • Keith M

    Simon Highes cannot have it both ways (no pun intended). If he lied (as he admits) then he made a srious error of judgement. Such a serious error of judgement should mean that he withdraws from the contest.

  • darth rumsfeld

    I wonder has anyone spoken to Peter Tatchell about the Bermondsey by election in the light of this?

    BTW is it true that Elton John is divorcing David Furnish after he found out that he was having sex behind his back?

  • Lurker,

    It’s always possible he may have been ‘spiked’. If the paper had someone prepared to go on record, his refusal might not have amounted to much. Though in principle, I entirely agree with your point. Political reporting should be about politics, rather than personality.

  • TAFKABO

    It’s entirely possible that Simon Hughes does not consider himself Gay,and thus answered the questions truthfully.
    It’s not at all uncommon for some men to have homosexual fantasies, or the occasional homosexual encounter,an still, in their own minds, think they are not Gay.
    We can all agree that this is perhaps self deluding, but that still doesn’t make it a lie.

    Given that Mr Hughes is not married, he is harming no one, and thus should be allowed this one indiscretion.

    Let’s forget about it and move on to the stuff that matters.

  • Betty Boo

    Tafkabo,
    I agree but one last point. No one has ever been accused of being heterosexual as means of discredit.

  • Lurker

    I was intrigued by the libel action Robbie Williams took against claims that he was gay. In a world that didn’t judge people by their sexuality, it would be no slight on anyone’s character to say they were gay. If someone thinks I am gay, then that is inaccurate but is no discredit to me, any more than supposing that I am brown eyed.
    Maybe the Williams case was more complicated than I suppose, but, in pronciple, we should stop talking about sexuality in moral judgemental terms, even in defence.

  • Rossi

    i like the way you think Lurker.

    it doesn’t matter to me. i’ll vote CAMERON anyway!!!

  • Mickhall

    I helped out in a small way when Peter Tatchell stood for parliament and it was common knowledge amongst us that Simon was gay.

    Peter being the type of man he is [bloody marvelous IMO]
    refused to use this info. Although looking back sections of the media must have known about it. He now seems to have done a Portillo.

    The only way to deal with the media over sexual matters is with total honesty. Sometimes this is not as easy as it may seem, for example Simon Hughes may have an old mum who he does not wish to upset, or some such thing.

    The point I’m making is, at some time if you stay in the closet it would come back to haunt you, especially if you climb the greasy pole as anti an establishment politician The reason Simon is being got at today is because he is the most progressive and decent candidate, who if elected would expose Mr Blair for the right wing war monger and mockney Ramsey macDonald that he is.

    Lurker is absolutely right, to be gay should in no way be a slight on a persons character and Robbie William’s did no one any favors by going to law. Plus that judgement will haunt him if he ever gets into a stable relationship.

    Simon Hughes is a decent first rate man and I hope he wins his parties leadership as im sure many on the left in England would consider voting for the LD if he was at the helm. It will be interesting to see if this business effects how LD vote in the leadership contest, i hope they turn out to be liberal in their judgement.

    regards.

  • Brian Boru

    It’s a sign of the times that something like this would no longer matter in the South, but can sink a political-career in the UK. Maybe its the UK that’s “priest ridden”! 🙂

  • Rossi

    lol Brian!

    which party would you vote for?

  • BogExile

    It’s entirely possible that Simon Hughes does not consider himself Gay,and thus answered the questions truthfully.

    Come on TAFAKBO – your comemnts are usually so incisive is this tongue in cheek?!

    It seems to me that Simon Hughes refused to fully answer questions on his sexuality until he was in danger of becoming ‘outed’ by the Sun. Leaving aside the mentality of the tabloids (how many editors like it both ways?)is this any sort of example to show to people who may be unsure of their sexuality or gay and want to be in public life? In behaving as he has, Simon Hughes has reinforced the perception that being gay or bisexual if you must is something shameful, to be denied if it looks like it might interfere with your ambition.

    That’s not acceptable in my view and that’s why I’m so disappointed in Hughes behaviour as I had him down as the great hope of the left!

  • Brian Boru

    Rossi I am Southern. It is notable that Emmet Stagg wasn’t forced to resign in 1992 after being found by Gardai in the Phoenix Park ahem.

  • Keith M

    Brian I think you should talk to Brendan Howlin before being so smug. I don’t think Hughes’s career has been sunk, athough hopefully such a fundamental error of judgement should scupper his leadership bid.

    TAFKBO That sounds like the Clinton defence. It was ridiculous then and would be just as ridiculous now.

    As for Robbie Williams’ his case was one of the basis that his repuation had been damaged by being called a liar, not by being gay.

  • Brian Boru

    The UK already had a secretly gay PM anyway (Lord Rosebery allegedly) so this is so hypocritical.

  • topdeckomnibus

    Is it the case that Lord Robinson supported Thomas Hamilton application for a firearms certificate ? (Dunblane)

    Why would the later NATO man support Hamilton to own guns when the Scouts had refused Hamilton as a youth leader ?

    If there is an untold truth in this history and if that truth had been told upfront to the electorate would the NATO man have ever been in a position to help arm the child murderer.

    My wife argued that it should not matter that Simon has had gay relationships. And that nowadays it is no big deal to be open about it.

    But todays open situation, exploited by Hughes who might otherwise have kept his trap shut, was created by gays who LED the way. Hughes was not amongst those leaders. He is not qualified to lead because he dodged the opportunity to lead when there would have been consequences for him to have taken that role.

    Simple Simon says “Have they stopped throwing Christians to the Lions … oh good …. can you see what a nice crucifix necklace I have had all along ? Vote for me Christian democrat”

  • Brian Boru

    The priest-ridden United Kingdom 🙁

  • Young Fogey

    So – it’s hypocritical for Simon Hughes to sleep with men, but now hypocritical for the law-and-order Sun to use illegally obtained telephone records to push a bit of tittle-tattle. Finding out that Simon Hughes rings gay chatlines is hardly a major blow for freedom of interest in the public interest, is it?

  • Brian Boru

    I think “bi” would be a better term to use for Simon Hughes not gay, since he says he has tried both.

  • Rossi

    Brian,

    what part of the beautiful South are you from?

  • Brian Boru

    Rossi I am from Wexford.

    Oh look, here is a link which confirms what I am saying and further contrasts the homophobic Victorian atmosphere of UK politics with the tolerant one of the South:

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/pport/web/ireland/Full_Story/did-sgYghggYZ4VJcsg7IQHSmeYhNE.asp

    Note the support this FF councillor received in a flood of calls into the program. Couldn’t happen in the UK with its Victorian timewarp!

  • Ultonian Scottis American

    In the case of the rent-boy politician, it’s reasonable to inquire of a politician’s illegal behaviour (if that’s what it was), otherwise I’d just ignore it as a rude question.

    —————————

    Mick Fealty:

    Volte-face is a great term. I used it myself just recently. Keep up the good work!

  • TAFKABO

    No I’m not being tongue in cheek, i’m entirely serious.
    It’s common knowledge that lot’s of women have homosexual fantasies or the occasional encouter and are still considered heterosexual.
    I’m saying that there are also numbers of men who genuiely consider themselves straight, but have dabbled or fantasised about same sex relationships.

    I’m not trying to defend Mr Hughes because I don’t think he needs defending.

    In the case of Robbie Williams, I think he probably sued on the grounds that the accusations about his sexuality made him a liar for denying the claims.
    I don’t know about Robbie Williams to be honest, all I know is that he makes shite music for the masses.
    If I was him I’d be much more embarrased about the crap he releases to the general public.

  • Animus

    Does everyone who is high profile and gay have to be a role model, BogExile? I don’t think it’s fair to put that mantle upon someone’s shoulders. I also think it’s extremely rude to ask questions about one’s sexuality if it isn’t germane to the issue at hand. It sounds like the Sun set up Hughes to fall.

    I don’t know about Bermondsey in the 80s (not quite that old) but it sounds like Hughes’ campaign was pretty awful stuff; for that reason he should be pilloried. Maybe he was a self-loathing queer at the time, struggling with his sexual identity, after all, it was over 20 years ago.

    But for being evasive about being bisexual should he really be vilified? Who hasn’t been evasive at some point in their lives?

  • elfinto

    Brian,

    It was a disgrace that Emmett Stagg did not have to resign from the government when he was caught with a rent boy in Phoenix Park. In Stagg’s case the ‘understanding’ he ws shown was tantamount to condoning the vice-trade.

  • Brian Boru

    I understand that the “rent boy” was in fact an adult as was the “rent boy” in the Mark Oaten case. “boy” is part of the nickname.

    I don’t think adult prostitution should be illegal although forcing ppl into it should be. Legalising it would bring HUGE revenues for hospitals and schools, and would free ppl who want to sell sex from the violence and greed of the pimps who take most or all of their earnings. It is already legal in Germany, Holland, Belgium and Finland.

  • Rossi

    sorry, what’s legal in Germany?

  • Brian Boru

    Adult Prostitution rossi.

  • elfinto

    Brian,

    Ron Davies resigned from the British government for something similar – he got mugged when cruising on Clapham Common and then gave the cops a dodgy story. Like Stagg and Oaten he was a married man.

    Public figures who tell lies about the nature of their sexuality leave themselves wide open to blackmail and are therefore a liabaility – a bit like the shirt-lifting Provo from M & S!

    Hughes has finally been honest but his previous dissembling about the issue greatly diminishes his credibility with the electorate. What other skeletons might he have in his metaphorical closet? Peter Tatchell must be having a good laugh.

  • TAFKABO

    I don’t think adult prostitution is illegal, is it?

    Isn’t it just the solicitation that is illegal, or more than one woman working in the same establishment, or another person living of the earnings from prostitution?

    I don’t think it’s any of the states business if two or more consenting adults enter into an arrangement of their own free will which trades sexual favours for money.

  • Brian Boru

    “I don’t think adult prostitution is illegal, is it?

    Isn’t it just the solicitation that is illegal, or more than one woman working in the same establishment, or another person living of the earnings from prostitution?

    I don’t think it’s any of the states business if two or more consenting adults enter into an arrangement of their own free will which trades sexual favours for money. ”

    Why only 2 🙂 And anyway solicitation is obviously part of “cutting the deal” so by implication it bans prostitution.

  • TAFKABO

    No, there are definate cases of women working alone, and paying tax on their earnings.
    Only the other day the government said it wanted to change the law so that two women could work together, as opposed to the current situation.

  • Rossi

    why only 2! 😉

  • Brian Boru

    “No, there are definate cases of women working alone, and paying tax on their earnings.
    Only the other day the government said it wanted to change the law so that two women could work together, as opposed to the current situation. ”

    That’s homophobic since it doesn’t cover male prostitutes.

  • TAFKABO

    Maybe the law will be worded in such a way that entitles two “persons” to work together.

  • BogExile

    I have the old fashiioned view that there are certain responsibilities attached to the huge benefits of public life and one is an acceptance that for your own benefit as much as the voters you must be straight with the punters (pun intended).

    I think he should be a role model bacause he had/has an enormlus and influential public platfor to say – i’m gay/bi, happy with that and want people to judge me on my abilities not my genes. By dissembling he has cast a shadow over his integrity in this regard.

    But I’m still waiting to see a picture of Menzies Campbell with a Llama in this wekends News of the World – nothing surprises me anymore.

  • Mickhall

    What you have to understand about Simon Hughes, is he first came into UK national politics in the Tatchell by election. It really is difficult to explain the extent of the homophobia Peter Tatchell experienced, this did not start with local people but the media who were being fed by the LP leadership [not michael foot’s finest hour.] Peter was hounded and vilified both on a political and personal level.

    This could not but have an impact on Simon Hughes own thinking about his own sexuality and ever since he has refused to talk about it. Which is fair enough and I believe it is just how the majority of people like it to be. unfortunately this was always going to leave him open to a corrupt media empire who use such things to get their way politically.

    My whole life’s experience makes me believe that the majority of people have little interest in other people sexuality and certainly if it is within the law, have no wish to pillory them for them. In this politicians and the media are way behind popular opinion, the reason being is both groups have a very low opinion of their fellow human beings.. A politician should trust the people and with luck we will trust them, if not my attitude would be f— them, they are not worth representing if they are homophobic or opportunist b—-‘-.

    The raison det’re of a progressive politician should be to try and raise the social agenda not make concessions to bigotry. In not doing this Simon Hughes made a mistake, but hey, have we all not made a good few ourselves in the past. Only crazies like Paisley and Blair would think themselves to be infallible.

  • elfinto

    Mick,

    Blair is of course the most brazen liar in the field of British politics. He managed to get re-elected anyway, albeit with one of the lowest turnouts ever recorded, principally because the Tories were in a complete shambles. So clearly, telling lies is not necessarily fatal in the eyes of the electorate.

    I don’t think that Simon Hughes should step down from the leadership race as he has nothing to be ashamed of as far as I can see (although judging by his dissembling on the issue, perhaps it is he who feels ashamed). It would have been better for him to have done a David Cameron and just say it’s none of your business, although I’m sure the tabloids would have taken a different line.

    Realistically Simon Hughes would be a bad choice for the Lib Dems now. To replace a recently confessed alcoholic with an recently confessed bisexual man as leader would be electoral suicide for them.

    Perhaps the British electorate is innately homophobic. I suspect so. Who, after all, buys The Sun and The News Of The World? But, at the end of the day in a democratic system, it is the electorate who make or break political parties.

    Hughes as leader would be a massive liability – a man who can’t make up his mind whether he’s gay or straight – fodder for the tabloids. It’s unfortunate for the man concerned but politics is a very dirty business. Sir ‘Ming the Merciless Campbell will be the next Lib Dem leader’.

  • Animus

    BogExile, when you say Hughes has an enormous and influential platform, you realise you’re talking about the Lib Dems, right? 😉

    I disagree with the notion that if you have any quality which is not the ‘accepted norm’, you must have an agenda to push for it, whether that is sexuality, race, gender, etc. People disagree within ‘movements’ about this, but I don’t see why gay or bi politicians have to fly the rainbow flag when straight politicians aren’t required to espouse their heterosexuality and virility. In fact, Blair was ridiculed when it was revealed that his 40+ wife was pregnant with a fourth child.

    Do you really want to know everything about your politicians? I don’t care what they get up to in their private affairs, why should you? You act like Hughes is some kind of hypocrite for not shouting from the rooftops about something that straight people probably never really give much consideration.

    Elfinto, you’re right Hughes should not have to step down, but this “shocking revelation” is a liability to the party. What should be the case is not always what happens, as we see so often. I’m sure Gordon Brown is thinking about what *should be* every single day.

  • Crataegus

    Won his first seat as the straight choice. Never felt easy about Mr Hughs.

  • Young Fogey

    I don’t think it’s any of the states business if two or more consenting adults enter into an arrangement of their own free will which trades sexual favours for money.

    Oh course not, otherwise practically every marriage in the Tatler would be forceably dissolved and criminal proceedings launched.

  • Shay Begorrah

    I agree one hundred per cent with TAFKABO’s forthright defense of individual privacy and liberty. Simon Hughes has not done anything legally wrong and the story should never have been printed.

    This kind of story coarsens political debate and distracts us from the contrast of philosphy and actions that should define politics.

  • Crataegus

    Shay

    “This kind of story coarsens political debate”

    In 1983 Mr Hughs contested an elections in Bermondsey against Peter Tatchell an openly gay candidate on the platform that he was the ‘straight’ choice. I can clearly remember Burensey it was vile. It really coarsened politics. In my book Mr Hughs demonistrated sheer hypocrisy and synicism. I wouldn’t vote for him under any circumstances.

  • exBangorBoy

    Gotta hand it to the Brit politicos…..when they have a scandal they make it interesting, what! Booze and boys…..the red tops must have been delirious with joy.

    Here in the Great White North (and I’m not referring to the ethnic makeup of Glengormley), we’ve just elected a minority Conservative gov’t whose leader (Stephen Harper) is so boring he probably couldn’t get invited to a actuaries convention. The scandal that toppled the Liberals (yes, there actually is a country that has Liberals in power…) involved paying gov’t-friendly advertising agencies somewhat large amounts of money for somewhat little work. Stop the presses….

  • elfinto10

    Do you suppose that News International keeps dossiers of incrimating information on all politicians ready to publish when Mr Murdoch deems that the opportune moment has arrived?

    It’s a scary thought.

  • Mickhall

    Fintan
    I would put money on it, after all how else can retired Special Branch and intel officers top there pensions up, they have got to live 😉 charlie windsor and tampons spring to mind, I know it is not a nice thought, sorry.

    morning all.

  • IJP

    Someone who has already posted on this thread made this point more excellently than I’m about to on another forum… but the problem for the LibDems is that they started the ‘holier-than-thou’ stuff. It’s much like ‘back to basics’ – it can come back to haunt, and few are sorry when it does.

    They would have been better working out how to resolve the contradictions in their own stance on things (internationalism vs localism, Green vs pro-third-world-development, etc).

    Perhaps this contest will decide it. But the notion that the damage of this whole farce will last for a long time should not be ruled out.

  • Young Fogey

    In 1983 Mr Hughs contested an elections in Bermondsey against Peter Tatchell an openly gay candidate on the platform that he was the ‘straight’ choice.

    It was a standard Liberal slogan then, the forerunner of the notorious “it’s a two horse race” bar charts – i.e. don’t waste your vote on the third party. It made no implications about to the sexuality of the candidates at all – see this example from the Brecon and Radnor by-election at the same time.

    http://www.geocities.com/byelections83/brecon85/libbre852b.jpg

    Get your facts right before you speak. I bet you’re one of these people who looks at clouds and sees horses, cars and all sorts of interesting things…

  • DCB

    YF

    The lib dems have always been vicious opportunists at a local level

    They targeted Thathcel and they also pandered to the BNP in Tower Hamlets with their “Crime on the increase” leaflets, showing a menacing looking black man.

    Turning its “a straight choice” into the “straight candidate” is a cynical play on words

    Anyways it should have been “Simon Huges – the straighter candidate”.

    Still, I like Kennedy, and he’s having the last laugh. The Lib dems were heading for a beating at the next election anyways and now they’ll get hammered.

    Both Kennedy and Pantsdown were good leaders, Hughes & Ming are pale imitations.

  • Brian Boru

    “Hughes as leader would be a massive liability – a man who can’t make up his mind whether he’s gay or straight – fodder for the tabloids. It’s unfortunate for the man concerned but politics is a very dirty business. Sir ‘Ming the Merciless Campbell will be the next Lib Dem leader”

    Or Huhne. He is younger looking and so does not project the image of “tiredness” that dogged Major, Howard, and Duncan Smith. They should pick him and not a 70 yo.

  • “I don’t think it’s any of the states business if two or more consenting adults enter into an arrangement of their own free will which trades sexual favours for money.

    Oh course not, otherwise practically every marriage in the Tatler would be forceably dissolved and criminal proceedings launched.

    Ouch!

  • Crataegus

    Bermondsey must be the most vile by-election on record. There were all sorts of internal arguments in the Labour Party, the gutter press had a field day. Tatchell who had previously outed himself was persuaded by the Labour Party to keep quiet about it. In the context of Bermondsey ‘Straight Choice’ was loaded. The whole campaign was vile and Liberals played a major part with antics such as wearing badges saying, “I’ve been kissed by Peter Tatchell” Simon Hughs AFTER the election, and after the damage was done, apologised. Interestingly I believe there were questions regarding Simon Hugh’s own sexuality back at that time.

    At the time I did not particularly like Tatchell’s politics, but I think in hindsight he displayed that he was a sound character and his recent statements saying that if he were a Lib-Dem he would vote for Hughs shows his calibre. Tatchell (like Portillo) has been through the mill and this has tempered and matured him. I would have no hesitation in voting for him. He is what he is and you would get someone ideological by comparison Hugh’s dodges, misleads and avoids, in my personal opinion he is not of the same standing.

    DCB
    “They targeted Tatchcell and they also pandered to the BNP in Tower Hamlets with their “Crime on the increase” leaflets, showing a menacing looking black man.”

    There are quite a few elected representatives who allow their election team to run a muck, get elected, and them disclaim knowledge or influence. Leaflets claiming to be from opponents misrepresenting their policies, and smears are common enough and this sort of behaviour (MOST parties indulge) really should be viewed more seriously. During an election it is very difficult for any candidate to rebut an untrue accusation for the more they say the deeper the hole becomes. They give credence by protesting but can’t ignore.

    Then you have the true allegation kept for when it can do damage. The lesson from this is anyone standing for any public place should not entertain the ambition if there is a part of their past they are uncomfortable with. If you enjoy a lively and varied sex life better to boast about it! I look forward to the day when I can cast a vote for a real unapologetic scoundrel. All these ‘nice’ guys with family values just don’t stack up with my experience of life.

  • I wonder if and when we will get to the point when a politician’s sexuality is just not an issue, except to those that have a (potential) vested interest in it?

  • Crataegus

    Bertie

    I think we are nearly there, the problem really kicks in when they seek to hide or mislead.

  • Mickhall

    I agree with Bertie and Crataegus, we are getting there, but the only trouble is the media, or rather a section of it still love to wear their dirty macs.

    What this incident highlights for me is how insulated from their constituents many politicians are. Like many people I presumed from the day I first came across him that Simon Hughes was gay. Yesterday I listened to a local radio station which covers his constituency area; many callers on a phone-in said the same thing i e, they always took hime to be gay. Now as the man has been elected to parliament three times for North Southwark and Bermondsey, it is pretty clear few people down there consider his sexual preferences a problem. Yet he does not seem to have got this into his head.

    On Slugger we have had no one post to say outrightly, being gay should be a bar to getting elected to Parliament. Do you feel the lack of such postings is because we have in the UK taken great strides in this area, or is it because as with racism, it is socially unacceptable to publicly display homophobic tendencies, so people come at Hughes from another area rather than exposing themselves as a b.i.g.o.t.

    Regards

  • Crat

    ” think we are nearly there, the problem really kicks in when they seek to hide or mislead. ”

    But the fact that they feel that there is any need to hide or mislead is an indicator that we arn’t there.

    Mickhall
    “On Slugger we have had no one post to say outrightly, being gay should be a bar to getting elected to Parliament. Do you feel the lack of such postings is because we have in the UK taken great strides in this area, or is it because as with racism, it is socially unacceptable to publicly display homophobic tendencies, so people come at Hughes from another area rather than exposing themselves as a b.i.g.o.t. ”

    A very good point. Sometimes the flip side of well intentioned political correctness is to just make racism cleverer.

  • DCB

    Crat

    I largely agree

    Actually Allen Clarke did take the option of just boasting about his verried sex life.

    The classic line being when asked by the K&C blue rinse bigrade if he had any more skeletons in his closet.

    “My dear, I can hardly keep the door shut”

  • Henry94

    On Slugger we have had no one post to say outrightly, being gay should be a bar to getting elected to Parliament.

    That’s for the voters to decide and they already have elected gay MPs so it is not a bar to election.

    Peter Mandelson for example.

    But it’s not tenable for a party to get rid of a leader for lying about his drinking only to replace him with someone who has been caught lying about his sexuality?

  • Crataegus

    DCB

    Clark is one of my heros!!

    Bertie

    You will loose some votes if you are gay or someone like Alan Clark. However I think if the person meets it head on they come out OK. If Portillo were to stand in most constituencies he would walk it. It is not as important as many candidates think, but they need to clear the air well ahead of the election.

    In my experience it’s a good insight into the character of the candidate. Clark (complete unapologetic bounder, drunk at the despatch batch, had endless affairs with mothers and daughters) couldn’t care a sod what people thought. So during the Matrix Churchill trial he admitted that he had been ‘economical with the actualité’ and prevented innocent people being found guilty, which a lot of the ‘nice’ proper people were prepared to do.

    Takes strength of character to stand up and admit to anything that is sexually savoury and in other tight spots they may also show the same strength.

    One must also question the role of the press and the readership of the papers. Are people’s lives so pathetic that they want to read a pile of smut? Who cares who is coupling with who provided it is not illegal.

  • Mickhall

    Crat,

    Your right, leaving aside ones own personal opinion of Mr Clarke, his way is the only way to deal with that sort of situation with any honor. Full marks to him for having the wit to understand this. People are not as prejudiced as most politicians think they are. What we will not tolerate is being lied to and taken for fools.

    Often, when a politician who has been caught out and he denies it, it tells us far more about his own attitude to life than his accusers. This has been true of both the Lib Dem leadership candidates, Simon’s deceit im convinced came about due to his personal ambition getting the better of him; and cowardice during the Tatchell by election. and Oaten displayed his enormous arrogance, ambition and hypocrisy. Either way what it has shown is neither man is comfortable in their own shoes, which in truth is not a recommendation for them to hold the job there are after. Say what you will about Charles Kennedy, he understood who he was, the Lib Dems must rue the day they allowed themselves to be panicked by the creeps around the orange book, these people forgot this is England, not the USA where leading politicians can run around the north Californian woods naked and not be ridiculed.

    For me there is a bench mark on this issue. If a man/woman lies to his wife/Partner, the person he claims to respect and love above all others, then he would not blink an eye lid when turning over his constituents. A serial cheater is a weak, vain and in politics a potential dangerous individual. We all have to have some values and a moral bench mark, surly? If a politician does not have them in there personal life, can we really expect them to have them in their public life.

    hope all sluggers are well.