Remembering the Holocaust

It’s Holocaust Day tomorrow. It’s commemorated on 27 January, the anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz-Birkenau. The Muslim Council of Britain has decided not to join in because it does not mention massacres of non-Jews. Indeed there have been many since the Shoah: Srebrenica; Darfur ; Rwanda. The words of Phillip Whitfield again, and Brian Crowe.

  • Carlos

    It doesn’t mention massacres like Bloody Sunday, or the British army sponsored Dublin and Monaghan bombs.

  • Tochais Síoraí

    I’d say that’s because it’s Holocaust Day.

  • I considered those and the killings of Palestinian civilians and Darkley and Kingsmill Carlos. But just look at the numbers. It would have been embarassing. Sometimes it’s best just to listen and accept the experience of others.

  • elfinto

    The anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz is an appropriate date to remember the Nazi Holocaust as Auschwitz was the biggest cog in the murder machine which killed millions of Jews and Gentiles.

    As far as I am aware this act of remembrace includes all the victims of the Nazis and not only the Jewish people who made up the majority of their victims.

    I cannot for the life of me see why anyone would view remembering the victims of the world’s biggest and most highly organised mass murder as offensive. Apart from bigotry of course.

  • elfinto

    b-i-g-o-t-r-y

  • Harry Flashman

    Hey you can understand the Muslim Council of Britain’s absence, seeing as how their friends in Iran have publicly stated they intend finishing the job off soon it might have been a bit embarassing.

  • elfinto

    Or perhaps they are taking their lead from ‘Abu Hamza’, aka Hook, who told his followers that it was their duty to kill Jews and infidels and quoted the Koran in justification?

  • Rossi

    Whats the deal?

    The Germans aren’t ashamed to mark the Holocaust.

    and i hear the National Socialists still very much exist…?

  • Mickhall

    Just back from attending a Holocaust day service, very disappointing turn out. In previous years there have been a hundred and more present, this year thirty to forty souls at most. Few youngsters there and only one or two people from the Indian sub continent; and no Muslims as far as I was aware.

    To my shame the Rabbi concentrated on the Jews who lost their lives in the camps to the exclusion of all others, although someone did have the decency to read out the poem made famous by Martin Niemoller.

    The fact is since WW2, sadly there have been other peoples who have experienced there own Holocaust, not least Africans in Rwanda and Muslims in Bosnia.[Srebeniza] I feel it is time we added some of these victims to the list when we commemorate Holocaust day. I do not believe to do so would in any way belittle the tragedy for the Jewish people that the Holocaust was; and it is imperative that we continue too center on the Jewish Holocaust, not least because by concentrating on what was inflicted on the Jews within Europe during the Hitlerite government, we can begin to understand that it could not have happened without the help and connivance of Christianity. Having said this, I feel it is time to be a little more inclusive.

    There is an important lesson to be learnt here for all Europeans and US citizens about the dangers of stigmatizing Islam and those who practice it. For what happened to the Jews between 1933-45 came about partly due to centuries of stigmatizing the Jews as christ killers, sub humans, etc. Something similar although not on the same scale has been happening post 9/11, although the victims this time are Muslims.

    Regards.

  • elfinto

    Mick,

    There is no organised global genocide against Muslims. You have been watching too many Al Qaeda videos!

  • Young Fogey

    Holocaust day should stand as it is; the cold-blooded planning and precision of the Holocaust is what makes it so horrifying.

    However, it’s worth remembering that Britain and America have done their share of genocide to. Ask a Tasmanian Aborigine – oh, I forgot you can’t, the Brits killed them all.

  • Mickhall

    Fintan,

    I never said there was any global genocide against Muslims, My point was, without the drip, drip of propaganda against the Jewish race down the centuries, much of which originated from within the christian church. The German people would not have given a moments thought to the nonsensical anti Jewish propaganda the Nazi Party put out. [The former Protestant Archbishop of Canterbury, Robert Runcie wrote a very informative article pointing this out.] What im saying is the danger of dehumanizing Muslims and blanket blaming them for crimes they are not responsible for, is a dangerous road to go down as the Holocaust proved.

    All the best.

  • harpo

    ‘It doesn’t mention massacres like Bloody Sunday, or the British army sponsored Dublin and Monaghan bombs.’

    Carlos:

    I didn’t know that the Nazis were involved in these incidents. Tell us more.

  • harpo

    ‘What im saying is the danger of dehumanizing Muslims and blanket blaming them for crimes they are not responsible for’

    They are not all responsible for these crimes but some of them are. And it really doesn’t help when mainstream Muslim groups appear to be on the same side as the terrorist ones on certain issues.

    Issues such as this. Here they seem to be playing the whataboutery card – ‘whatabout our suffering and not just that of the victims of the Nazis?’ seems to be the reason given for not taking part.

    I said ‘appear to be on the same side’ because many will construe this as being Muslim anti-Jewishness based on the erroneous assumption that Holocaust Day is only about the Jewish victims of the Nazis. And that this is why mainstream Muslims don’t want to be involved.

    If these mainstream Mulslims really wanted to advance things they would take the high road and take part in the Holocaust Day events as a show of solidarity with historical victims of genocide, without qualification. And that would build up some goodwill towards times when it came to commemorations of anti-Muslim violence. But now others could do the same to them – ‘why should we only commemorate one set of victims in some Muslim event?’ is the obvious comeback to them.

    It’s all as bad as NI – you can’t have an event to commemorate something without someone claiming it’s not balanced.

  • Biffo

    Young Fogey

    “Ask a Tasmanian Aborigine – oh, I forgot you can’t, the Brits killed them all.”

    Good point.

    Shouldn’t this the whole point of a holocaust memorial day? Don’t forget – even if the victims were only primitive Tasmanian Aborigines.

  • elfinto

    Apparently the Tasmanian aboriginal people are still around. There aren’t any ‘pure blooded’ ones left though.

  • Mickhall

    Harpo,

    You have a point, although much of the anti Jewish feeling in the Arab world has come about by leading Jews in the State of Israel insisting it is impossibly to be against that state or even the way it treat Palestinians if you are a loyal jew. Thus hoping to link all jews with Israel, which is nonsense as many Jews do not support that State.

    Indeed some of the most devout Jews do not even recognize the Israeli State and refuse to serve in the IDF. [many have exemption due to the corruption of Israeli politics.]

    Anti semitism as we know it in the west never existed within muslim societies until the 20th Century and even today it is no where near the level most people in the West think it to be, as a true Muslim cannot be anti Semitic, as like themselves Jews are a people of the book. Plus Arabs are a Semitic people like Jews.

    Whilst I do not agree with it, I can not but have some sympathy with King Abdul Aziz Ibn Saud, when told the UK was to give the Jews Palestine replied bewildered, but it was the Germans who murdered the jews, why do you give them Arab lands and not those of the Germans. [or some such]

  • Mustapha Mond

    “There aren’t any ‘pure blooded’ ones left though.”

    Unusual disease…Send out blood purification units.