SDLP on the offensive…

THE SDLP is really going for Sinn Fein’s jugular at the moment. Before Durkan suggested that something “short of suspension and direct rule” might be possible, Eamon O’Neill had the temerity to suggest that Sinn Fein in South Down were still adhering to an agenda laid out to them by a British spy, Denis Donaldson. Local SF representative Caitriona Ruane has come out fighting. She has to; she was parachuted into the constituency by Denis. Even the SWP are having a go!

  • aquifer

    SWP:

    “Since there was clearly collusion with the security forces by significant sections of both republican and loyalist paramilitaries, why were so many people killed?”

    Because someone was practicing violent revolutionary politics in a society divided along sectarian lines?

  • The Dubliner

    They’re not called ‘The Stoops’ without good reason. 😉

    But stooping to exploiting the ‘informer rumour’ spiel for party political gain would make a weeping willow proud.

  • Dualta

    Dubliner,
    Given the revelations about the behaviour of many groups, including the British government, in the ‘dirty war’, I would suggest that the SDLP are the last group to have earned the title ‘The Stoops’.

    Let’s stick to policies rather than miserly insults.

  • DerryTerry

    Dualta, the title Stoops goes back, in my personal knowledge, to the early 1980s and some grafitti in the Bogside that read Stoop Down Low Party, shortened to Stoops. Don’t think its any more offensive that calling the Shinners Shinners.

  • The Dubliner

    Was your post above about policies or lecturing? If the former, would you point out exactly where the policies were in it so that I might observe how you followed your own lecture and ‘stuck’ to them?

    I stand by my comment: “But stooping to exploiting the ‘informer rumour’ spiel for party political gain would make a weeping willow proud.”

    The mote, thine eye…can you figure the rest out? 😉

  • The Dubliner

    Sorry, Derry, we crossposted. My previous comment on this thread was to Dualta.

  • JD

    Mark Durkan was interviewed on radio this morning about Sam Kincaids comments in this very ‘private’ briefing, coincidentially the media were briefed in time for the main evening news bulletins.

    It was clear example of how far the SDLP have embedded themselves into the policing extablishment, he found it impossible to question Sam Kincaids motives, but rather wanted to focus on the credibility of Sean Woodword in chorus with Willy Hay of the DUP.

    Nationalists are questioning what are the SDLP at?

  • Dualta

    DerryTerry,
    It’s best to let those on the receiving end of such jibs tell how offensive they consider them to be particularly when the term is used time and time again to refer to their political activity, as The Dubliner has done above. I know members of the SDLP who are deeply offended by the term.

    The Dubliner,
    No amount of verbiage can excuse the fact that insulting political opponents adds nothing to the debate.

  • bigwhitedove

    If this is an SDLP “offensive” then bring it on!
    The SDLP in recent years have become nothing more than an anti-Sinn Fein party. They are a loose(very loose) coalition of anti- republicans who have been given very poor leadership and direction. The sophisticated electorate in the north can see exactly what they are at and I am positive this will be reflected in the next election!!

  • GavBelfast

    Shinners is hardly insulting, mocking or offensive now is it?

    Especially not when Spinners would actually be more appropriate now anyway.

    Republicans? In what mould exactly?

  • The Dubliner

    “No amount of verbiage can excuse the fact that insulting political opponents adds nothing to the debate.” – Dualta

    The same holds true for sanctimonious lecturing. Why do you persist with it? Two posts on this thread from you and not one of them contributes anything to the debate. Is this your party trick: do as I say, not as I do? 😉

  • Dualta

    The Dubliner,

    As I said, no amount of verbiage can excuse the fact that insulting political opponents adds nothing to the debate.

    This point is as relevent to your last post as it is to your first.

    GavBelfast,
    Good point.

  • Oilbhear Chromaill

    Before Durkan suggested that something “short of suspension and direct rule” might be possible

    I enjoy political bloodsports as much as the next slugger, but I think this line is actually an indication – or confirmation – that the SDLP is preparing to sell out on the GFA in order to get their seats on ministerial chairs and preserve their salaries. Isn’t it interesting that this comes to light in the weeks after Peter Hain’s threat to withdraw salaries from the MLAs.
    It again exposes the great weakness of the SDLP as being into politics for personal enrichment rather than community gain….

  • The Dubliner

    So, you don’t think the SDLP they stooped to informer rumours and thereby earned their names as The Stoops, as my first post said? That seems like a political comment to me. But if it is, then you’re objection is null and void and we are left only with your vacuous verbiage, aren’t we?

    But I’ll just pretend that your token attempt to be seen as adding something (however modest) to the debate by adding “Good point” to Gav compensates for your prior surplus of hypocritical and sanctimonious blathering and your absence of relevant contribution. That way, we can have an end to your pointless interventions and my purposeful enlightenment of you toward them.

    As you are a lady, I grant you the last word. 😉

  • Dualta

    The Dubliner,
    I don’t dispute that you made a political point, I just took issue with the fact that you used insulting language when making it, but, judging by your last post, it seems that insulting language is something you use regularly.

    The principle of playing the ball, rather than the ‘man’ is one which is adhered to by many of the bloggers on this post and others. I would encourage you to join us.

  • Mickhall

    Dubliner,

    If the SF leadership had not been mesmerized by Denis Donaldson’s energy and willingness to do all they asked of him and had dealt with the first batch of informers outed in an open manner, then the stoops would not be in a position to stoop, now would they.

    regards

    PS Enjoyed reading your posts countering Mr ‘ingram’ very informative.

  • west belfast resident

    You are not contributing much your self Dubliner-give it a rest.

  • I feel sorry for the stoops

    First they try to out “green” Sinn Féin and that didn’t work and now they are trying to out “orange” the Unionists.

    There is incompetant leadership and then there is Durkan’s leadership.

    Piss poor would be an understatement

    I don’t think the SDLP’s “offensive” is worrying anyone in Sinn Féin.

    Keep it up Durkan, I think the SDLP’s political coffin has room for a few more nails.

  • Chris,

    “There is incompetant leadership and then there is Durkan’s leadership.” (sic)

    And then, of course, there is the leadership of the republican movement. A movement that has been led by, and continues to be led by, people in the employ of various sectors of the Intelligence community.

    The big question that everyone is asking, and I must admit I know the answer to, is “Who will be the next senior republican to be outed as an informer?”

    Shortly everyone will know. A big shock to many, a small shock to some and yesterdays news to those in the know.

  • * It’s best to let those on the receiving end of such jibs tell how offensive they consider them to be particularly when the term is used time and time again to refer to their political activity, as The Dubliner has done above. I know members of the SDLP who are deeply offended by the term.

    No amount of verbiage can excuse the fact that insulting political opponents adds nothing to the debate.
    Posted by Dualta on Jan 18, 2006 @ 09:55 AM*

    Dualta,
    your points and claims can only considered credible if you also complained about the use of “Dupes”, “SF/IRA” and the “Old Unionist Party” (I made the last one up). I don’t recall you ever complaining about these nicknames. I think your argument is too one sided in defense of the sdlp and therefore “adds nothing to debate” .

    This site has always included verbal jousting and labeling of parties and opinions with mild handles. The term Stoops has been spoken of frequently and is considered by republicans as a fitting description of the sdlp. Not everyone might agree with the term but there are a large number of republicans out there; if you don’t agree with their perception of “the lesser green party” you might debate (rather than lecture) that the the sdlp doesn’t kow-tow to Westminster

    While we’re on the subject…I find the term “MOPE” disgraceful as it shows a lack of understanding of possible complaints (in the Sick Counties there are enough causes for complaint). The aim of minimizing complaints by using the term “MOPE” is often a means of rejecting responsibility for the complaints. Instead of lecturing, like some feel you did, I tend to boomerang the term MOPE back at those who frequently use it in a dimissive, almost insulting form…..these posters usually don’t respond (after crawling back under their rock from which they came…?!?)

  • heman

    Ahh, back to the ‘red-meat’ eatin’ saliva droolin’ mad dog from Derry (or is it Londonderry now,Mark?), Mr. Durkan.

    Despite valiant efforts (some might say King Canute-ish) to hold off the tide of nationalist opinion mounting agin’ them,the SDLP wagon seems to have really come off the rails in recent days.

    I have noted on this site the mess the party got into over Tom Kelly OBE and Johnny Dallat’s new found admiration for British Royals, but Feeney’s article in today’s Irish News really hits the nail on the head regarding Durkan’s incompetence.

    Additionally, though the media have been slow to pick up the indicators, it would appear all is not well within Stoop ranks these days.

    Kieran Corr in Craigavon Council walked out on the party in recent days, and rumours are swelling that a SECOND councillor in Antrim has now fled the party (bringing the party down from 3 councillors to 1 since May’s election- surely a record only Bob McCartney could match??)

    Perhaps El Matador and Dualta would care to comment on the indications that all is not well within the state of Denmark…..

  • Dualta

    Niall wrote:

    your points and claims can only considered credible if you also complained about the use of “Dupes”, “SF/IRA” and the “Old Unionist Party” (I made the last one up). I don’t recall you ever complaining about these nicknames. I think your argument is too one sided in defense of the sdlp and therefore “adds nothing to debate” .

    Niall, I’ve taken issue on occasions over my years posting on this blog with people dragging down the level of debate by resorting to insult.

    heman,
    Don’t mistake me for an SDLP supporter just because I take issue with people using insults.

  • *Niall, I’ve taken issue on occasions over my years posting on this blog with people dragging down the level of debate by resorting to insult. *

    …neat swerve… but still a dodge.
    I didn’t ask whether you pointed out insults. I mentioned that the Stoop handle is just a mild term (fitting from a republican’s viewpoint, not necessarily my opinion – fence-sitting) for the sdlp. As a mild term it should have been treated as such in the same way as other niggling terms such as the ones I listed. If you don’t have a problem with these other terms then you shouldn’t have a problem with the term Stoops. I don’t recall you complaining about these other terms and therefore stop crying in defense of Durkin and co (“dragging down the level of debate”) – they’re big boys and girls and they’ll probably be able to look after themselves.
    The sdlp originated from the B-Special batoned search for civil rights. They were made of hardy stuff back then. Maybe if they remembered their roots they mightn’t be loosing so much ground with the electorate.