An end to the CPI controversy?

The McDowell/Connelly stand off seems to have burned itself out. The Centre for Public Enquiry closed its doors on 1st January and its specialist staff are now looking elsewhere for employment. If the Minister is to face a test, and Frank Connelly seems unlikely to take anything through the courts, it would be up to the Attorney General to review the case when the Oireachtas comes back after a lengthy Christmas break. Noel Whelan reviewed the situation before the break.

  • martin ingram

    The minister performed his duties well, Frank as recourse to the courts and anybody on here wanting a bet that he will! I am your man and whats more no Tax on your winnings.

    Now thats an offer you can not refuse.

    Martin.

  • JD

    This is acceptable practice only when it is applied to republicans as it has been in every example cited by Noel Whelan. If the same abuse of power was being applied to journalists, for example, I think we might see a slightly different attitude.

  • martin ingram

    I am unaware of any ” NORMAL” Journalist travelling on False/ Stolen passports to a war/ Drug zone.

    Frank can go to Law if he feels he has been unfairly treated? JD by the minister.

    Do you think he will JD?

    Martin

  • JD

    Why should Frank Connolly have to prove his innocence? But then again Martin, you boys in the FRU didn’t have to prove anything, the organisation that you belonged to just gave your loyalist assassins the address, the weapons and sat back while innocence died.

  • Im not a supporter of either Connolly or McDowell but I cannot understand all the fuss by McDowell about Connollys (alledged)links to the IRA. Afterall McDowell and the rest of the government regularly sit down with members of the Army Council of the same IRA to do “peace process” business. McDowell is very selective about what beans he spills, yes he has talked about the links between Sinn Fein and IRA leadership but not to the same extent for fear of destabilising the sacred peace process. Connolly is an easy touch and I believe that McDowell wasnt worried about Connollys links but he and the Irish State feared the Centre Public Enq uncovering things they shouldnt.

  • martin ingram

    JD,

    He does not. That decisions remains his and his alone.

    As for your second point. Yes, they did and are included in my 1% of all FRU ops that I agree are wrong. If you can name any other individual who is from my background who as done more to highlight that issue than me, then feel free to remind me?

    Martin.

  • JD

    There were somewhere in the region of 400 killings attributed to collusion, if this only constituted 1% of FRU operations then you were busy boys indeed. The rest of time you obviously spent corrupting vulnerable young people and placing them in the front line will you ‘fishers of men’ sat tight in your barracks thinking of your upcoming memoirs and film rights.

  • martin ingram

    Yes we were busy BUT so were the RUC and Box.

    If you have any thoughts on matters which would be of interest to a film I would be grateful . Your help and understanding is valued.

    Martin

  • Mick, I really called that one wrong.

    I eagerly await what comes next from that rough beast slouching toward Bethlehem.

  • onanothermans wounds

    Martin Ingram
    Whilst reluctant to do anything that might enhance any potential film i would remind you of an old Irish proverb
    ‘Tis easy to sleep ( or be flippant) on another mans wounds’

  • JD

    Martin,

    I have no wish to contribute to anything that would further line your own pockets,already well lined by corrupting and destroying the lives of young nationalists with little or no risk to yourself, and anyway why let the truth get in the way of a good fiction. Who will play our Willie in this in this spooktaculor because his last visit to his home patch for a photo shoot ended quite abruptly?

  • martin ingram

    JD,

    You are right thanks. I will do a comedy sketch instead ” Carry on the Shinners”

    Martin

  • onanothermanswounds

    Martin Ingram
    The next time I meet the survivors of the collusion policy, you know the fathers, mothers, husbands, wives, children of those executed as a result of this policy ( which, reading between the lines you have no remorse for taking part in and indeed seem to be rubbing your hands in glee for having taken part)i will have to mention your side splitting approach to their grief. Are you funny peculiar i.e a case of Brit Schadenfraude / taking delight in other peoples misfortunes or just plain funny ha ha? Go on ‘tickle me’ I forgot to laugh

  • martin ingram

    Onanothermanswounds.

    Are you slow? I have made it very clear . In the small cases were the LAW has been broken and it has resulted in a murder then I would support any victim in their quest for truth.

    Now is that clear . If you have a particular case in mind then I will comment

    If your attitude to me is in relation to my work at defeating terrorist, then I plead guilty. Whats more I am proud of that work.

    Have a nice Day.

    Martin

  • J Kelly

    Martin
    Could you explain how you contributed to defeating “terrorism”.
    1 The IRA were not defeated. I am sure you would have to accept that if the IRA wanted they could re-emerge tomorrow.
    2 The organisation that the FRU re-invented, the UDA, are to this day terrorising and murdering at will.

  • Whats the crack?

    “If you have a particular case in mind then I will comment”

    Martin, did the FRU have prior knowledge of the killing of loyalist Cecil McKnight in 1991 and was one of your agents involved in his assassination?

  • onanothermanswounds

    Martin Ingram
    Typical imperial patronising attitude of the British Crown and their agents here in Ireland. An attitude that can have people like you running up and down the corridors of Strabane barracks in ecstasy after three Irish volunteers were executed shouting how ‘the alphabet men’ had ‘got’ them; an attitude that has British Crown lawyers playacting with water pistols shouting ‘hands up or something like that’ in a restaurant after the verdict in the Gibraltar Three case; an attitude that selects( by toss of a coin or roll of the dice or what?) Irish citizens for execution in order that you and the likes of you are protected? Tell me, did you, like so many other people like you, keep a detailed dairy in the eventuality of a war crimes tribunal? Do I have a particular case in mind? Howabout ANYTHING at all that you carried out or done or pressurised others into doing for your paymasters. I am proud of the work carried out then and since by Ernie O Malley and others like him.

  • martin ingram

    J Kelly & Onanothermanswounds.

    The IRA was not defeated in the sense that it could not operate, it could and did mount a serious challenge in areas like Tyrone & South Armagh. In these areas the IRA could rely upon the integrity of its units. Thats why the spectaculars on the UK mainland in the 90s were manned almost exclusively by volunteers from these areas and not from either Belfast or Derry. There will be no return to war whilst Gerry and Martin are around and you know it.Thank God.

    To deal with one issue raised by onothermanswounds Gibralter 3. Thats what happens when you send a riddled Belfast unit on an Operation outside NI. And to answer your point directly a good job well done. You can argue about the last two minutes but you can not argue that they had traveled to the Rock to kill soldiers and civilians if they got in the way. If you live by the sword you have to be prepared to die by it also.

    One last comment in respect to your silly claims. I dont know any Army in the world that UNILATERALLY gave up or destroyed its weapons and HAD THE BRASS NECK to claim that it remained undefeated.I am sure you can tell us though, if any have done so before.
    I dont remember the Loyalist being forced to reciprocate this gesture.I sometimes wonder which bright spark negotiated that one? it certainly was not a proud general, it may however, have been a complicate general.
    The reason for the decommissioning was the IRA/Sinn Fein led by Adams and McGuiness argued to those active volunteers who were willing to fight a war aginst the British that they could not win a war and the continued losses being sustained by the movement meant they could not carry on. Those losses were as a result of excellent Intelligence both Hum Int and Electronic.

    Ask a genuine Republican who was active during the late eighties and early nineties if I am telling the truth . Now lads stop dreaming and clear the green haze from your vision. Ask Danny Morrison , he was set up by a Unit, which almost to a man were Brussel Sprouts, and the odd Stake Knife thrown in for good measure. Many years later and with the guts ripped out of him he now writes crap on a regular basis in the Daily comic.He argued recently and it is repeated on this forum how it would not be such a bad thing if the Stormont institutions were not up and running this year! he argues that this lack of movement would be a real slap in the face for the DUP. A massive loss of face is what the DUP fear most. Sorry but you know I am still smiling at that one today. Now come on lads be honest you two probibly agree with Danny on that one too?

    If that one sentence does not tell you who won and who lost? then you are indeed beyond help. Ask the Brave Hunger Strikers and even the GIB 3 is this what they died for?

    I dont think so, do you?

    As regards

  • JD

    Martin,

    You asked for specific cases were could shed light on inyour crusade for the truth and one was asked yet you have not commented. Therefore I will repeat the question asked earlier by another poster. Did the FRU know in advance that Cecil McKnight was to be killed in Derry in 1991 (when you were there) and was one of your agents involved in his killing?

  • martin ingram

    Cecil.

    I am sorry I missed your post. To the best of my knowledge. NO.

    jd.

    I take it that you agreed with the facts and or points made in my last response to you. Thanks.

    Martin.

  • JD

    Are you denying that Martin Hogan (this is a matter of public record Mick) was not a FRU agent in Derry in 1991 and had informed BI that McKnight was to be killed, that is why Cecil McKnight was sitting with two Special Branch officers when he was shot being informed of the threat, and that the unit involved included Hogan?
    You claim you were there during this period, did you not know or are you unwilling to say.

    As for earlier contribution I did not respond as it was not addressed at me, however if it had been I would respond that your attempts at formenting doubt in republican leaders is getting more ridiculous, desperate and far fetched by the day.

  • martin ingram

    JD,

    In relation to McKnight. Honestly I am not having you on here I dont Know anything .

    On the other aspect you remark upon. Dont be silly , both you and I know that question is being debated.

    Tell me JD why did Adams leave Freddy and JJ for over 25 years in the No 1 dept within the IRA?

    I look forward to your response which i hope will be detailed and then we can expand that debate to further contentious areas . Irish America on Radio Free Eirann last evening was asking some very searching questions of the RM leadership . It is time they, the RM leadership answered and stopped dodging the issue.

    Martin.

    Martin.

  • JD

    Martin,

    Unlike yourself I have no intention of writing memoirs, seeking the silver screen or striving for noterity on the internet by disclosing what I know or pretend to know about our most recent conflict.

    However I will say, that your knowledge of the internal workings and personalities of the IRA seem fairly dated and limited, particularly since you seem to have no knowledge of the activities of one of the most notorious agents in Derry at a time when you claim to have been at the intelligence hub in that city. Martin Hogan was a much more important catch for the FRU/SB than Carlin or even Hegarty as unlike the others he was an area OC with operational responsibilities. That is possibly why his involvement in the killing of McKnight was permitted to go ahead, even though that operation was his undoing and exposed him as an agent, necessitating his rapid disappearance from Derry.

  • martin ingram

    JD,

    I would be wrong if I told you I knew about this incident if I did not.Whats your problem here.

    Why have you avoided the Adams question in relation to leaving Agents in positions to compromise the movement for over two and half decades? You can not avoid the questions that ordinary Republicans want answers too.

    Now come on , put iton the record.

  • JD

    How would you know what questions republicans want answered?

    I do not know Fred Scappaticci and I also do not know how long he was alledgedly involved in the IRA IS Department, however all the cases that are supposedly linked to him happened over a period of 5 or 6 year period from the late eighties to the early nineties hardly 25 years. I also feel you are exaggerating Adams and McGuinesses influence over IRA positions in order to prove your own hypothsis. It is no secret that at times the Brits were able to breach IRA security over the thirty years of trying, however a more interesting story may someday be told about the other side of that coin.