Adams: Donaldson is a spy after all

We’ve just had word that Denis Donaldson, the man at the centre of the row over Stormontgate, has been expelled by Sinn Fein for being a spy – for the British. Adams is now blaming the whole collapse of institutional government on the British who, Sinn Fein allege, were operating Donaldson as Sinn Fein’s head of administration. A press conference is to take place in the Gresham Hotel in Dublin later on today.

Update: Statement from Sinn Fein. Worth reading in conjunction with Donaldson’s statement last week. Someone’s not telling the truth.

  • Belfast Gonzo

    Does that mean there’s no ‘public interest’ defence any more?

  • Pete Baker

    You got there just before me, Mick.. here’s the BBC report

    It certainly fits with one of the conspiracy theories

    You never know, we may, eventually, find out whose interest was being served by dropping those prosecutions.

  • Pete Baker

    Worthwhile linking to what Donaldson had to say last week.. when he was still a member of SF

  • Henry94

    Let’s not presume guilt any more now than we did when he was arrested. Let’s see what Gerry Adams has to say and what these claims are based on.

  • darth rumsfeld

    …on the other hand, it could be that Mr Donaldson was in a position to definitively expose the Shinners, and the government decided to issue public interest immunity certificates to keep their informant in situ, and to cover up the true extent of Shinner duplicity in the hope they could con the DUP into a deal last December.

  • seabhac siulach

    Amazing.

    Of course, I now look forward to the DUP pressing home their demand for the whole case to be investigated, and to discover exactly what was meant by ‘in the public interest’.

    Some chance!

    Could it be that the Sinn Fein members were completely (whisper it) innocent? Not something the DUP will wish to hear (or even acknowledge).

    And, I will say it again, we are to trust the PSNI…why?

    So, all done to save wee David Trimble’s bacon, and all for nothing. Three years of stagnation and the DUP as the largest party. Cheers Denis Donaldson, hope the money was good…

  • Ha-ha. We heard about this before it broke, and couldn’t believe it. Got it online ASAP.

  • Belfast Gonzo

    The Sinn Fein press release:

    Sinn Féin has revealed that a member of the party in Belfast, Denis Donaldson, was expelled last night after it was uncovered that he had been working as a British agent. Sinn Féin President Gerry Adams will hold a press conference today at 4pm (Friday 16th) in the Joyce Room in the Gresham Hotel, O’Connell Street, Dublin.

    Speaking in Dublin this morning Mr. Adams said:

    “The nature of British rule in Ireland is that for a very long time it has been driven by a security agenda, with policy dictated by British Intelligence, state police and military agencies. The Good Friday Agreement is, as much as anything else, about ending that.

    “The collapse of the power sharing government was blamed on allegations of a Sinn Fein spy ring at Stormont.

    “The fact is that there was no Sinn Féin spy ring at Stormont.
    The fact is that this was a carefully constructed lie created by the Special Branch in order to cause maximum political impact.
    The fact is that the collapse of the political institutions was a direct result of the actions of some of those who run the intelligence and policing system of the British.
    The fact is that the key person at the centre of those events was a Sinn Féin member who was a British agent.

    “This is entirely the responsibility of the British government.

    “What is clear is that there are those within the PSNI and the intelligence agencies who are a law onto themselves, who use informers, spies and agents and who are operating to their own agenda with no accountability. They are manipulating the situation for their own narrow ends. They have sought to undermine Sinn Féin and are working against the implementation of the Good Friday Agreement which is the publicly stated policy of the British and Irish governments. The British Prime Minister and the Taoiseach have to wake up to this reality.

    “Sinn Féin has been very conscious of the negative role being played by elements within the British system and we have raised these matters consistently with both governments. If Britain’s war is over then the British Prime Minister needs to come to terms with the fact that he has to end the activities of the securocrats. This entire episode underlines the need for an end to political policing. That, and defending the Good Friday Agreement remains the focus of Sinn Féin.”

  • Actually, come to think of it, we could believe it. Another example of the Sinn Féin/ British collusion we have been fighting to expose. It seems the ElBlogador team has been right all along…

  • seabhac siulach

    “…on the other hand, it could be that Mr Donaldson was in a position to definitively expose the Shinners, and the government decided to issue public interest immunity certificates to keep their informant in situ, and to cover up the true extent of Shinner duplicity in the hope they could con the DUP into a deal last December.”

    Eh, yeah, that would be it…I don’t think…

    More likely, there was no spy ring. Otherwise what is to stop Mr. Donaldson spilling the beans now (exposing the Shinners, as you put it) about all the ‘dirty dealings’. Nothing. So we can await all the secrets coming out now then, can we?

    When will Unionists stop attempting impossible leaps of logic and accept the most obvious scenario…that there was no spy-ring, that their govt. lied to them, and that we have had 3 years of stagnation for nothing, as Trimble is no longer even around.

  • Pete Baker

    Now, I don’t expect Adams to acknowledge this particular point, but it’s worth noting.

    Was he unaware of the information being obtained by Donaldson, his party’s [former] Head of Administration – in Adams’ version of the conspiracy theory that would be the documentation needed to provide evidence of the spy-ring – a spy-ring that he is now claiming was run by a British agent?

  • TAFKABO

    Will any members of the republican movement
    not
    working for the brits, please stand up?

    Still, there is a kind of symmetry to the whole affair, since I’m convinced Peter Hain is on the payroll of the Shinners.

  • Interesting to find out if all the nicities complimenting Mr Donalson within Sinn Fein still exist. Only last week he was a quare fella, just grand and hard done by by that other bunch of saddos, the Brits. If then got poor old Denis wrong, who else are Sinn Fein wrong about?

    parnell@elblogadpr

  • darth rumsfeld

    soo.. Gerry Adams wins the british Comedy Award for brass neckery by claiming the government infiltrated a spy into the Provos- to foment criminality!!! Of course noone else in the RM would have had anything to do with such naughtiness if Dennis hadn’t induced them

    What next- a polar bear is smuggled into the enlosure at Belfast Zoo to make the rest of them become carnivores?

    Catch a grip seabhac. Why on earth would the government have sabotaged their own policy? Oh yeah the all powerful securocrats, who wanted to keep wasting HMG resources on poking the Provos into continuing their campaign of terror because …well because…( fill in the blank with some paranoid quasi-racial theory, preferably with references to sumptory, the Famine, 1918 general election, gerrymandering and anything else totally unconnected to reality and logic)

    I just hope Denis has relations in Italy who can put him up for the rest of his life, like certain other high profile Shinners we can’t mention.

  • George

    Donaldson said last week the Stormont raid was an attempt to save David Trimble’s political career.

    Which means the British actually didn’t want to save Trimble’s career because this would have made them seem desperate to keep their lackey, hardly a vote winner with unionists.

    So this time, the British really want the DUP to be the representatives of unionism and Hain in the NIO.

  • Well done Big Gerry! A Major major coup for The Shinners. If Donalsdon was as inluential an agent as has been alleged, then this will be a devestating blow to British intelligence operations in The North. ps To Pete Baker & Co – All of your snide insinuations about this being fabricated to suit SF have been blown into orbit by this one I’m afraid. i had a suspicion that SF’s reaction last week was very low key. It may be that their internal suspicions had already been raised even prior to the stopping of the Stormontgate enquiry.

  • TAFKABO

    Actually, the allegations,as they were, make more sense.

    I couldn’t for the life of me understand how someone could manage to get into a position to move material from someones home and then replace it.

    Now it makes sense.

    Of course, the fact that the material was removed and put back rendered it useles as evidence in any trial, but that also fits in with the story that at that stage the brits were not interested in bringing charges, but just monitoring events,and only moved when it became clear the shinners had wind of the operation.

    ultimately it seems hard to deny that something must have been happening to do with shinners gathering information.

    But, as usual we will now get the story that it was a nasty Brit agent who made the poor innocent shinners do it.

  • Pete Baker

    macswiney

    What insinuations are you on about? I’ve posted on the need to explain what public interest was being served. Sheesh.

  • Well done Big Gerry

    Yeah well done, you stood up the other day and sang the praises of a Brit informer. Nice one big lad.

  • Baluba

    The Dirty War is alive and well eh!?! Martin Dillon need to start working on Vol ii ’cause this place just can’t stop providing interesting scenarios to expose. Those pesky Brits are always at it aren’t they!?!

    Well done to SF spreading egg ALL OVER faces again!

    As for ‘the public interest’ it’s quite bvious the public have been extremely interested in this one from the kick-off and that interest deepens ever further…..

    Great craic altogether.

    P.S. DD, you stupid, stupid fool.

  • Ringo

    Ah, would everyone give over the ‘told you so’ nonsense. Plenty daft explanations from all sides over the past week – but none as daft as the (todays) truth.

    Sometimes you just have to laugh at the ridiculousness of it all. Maybe Los Shinners and Les Brits deserve each other after all.

  • Brian Boru

    This explains a lot. The Brits obviously got the spy to act in such a way as to make it look like an IRA spyring was operating at Stormont. More British treachery and skullduggery. Alas, the Irish people had 700 years experience of such carry on.

    So there was no spyring. Therefore restore the institutions.

  • TAFKABO

    Question.

    If it is Sinn Fein who have left the brits with egg on their faces, then why have the shinners managed the release of this story late on a friday afternoon, the traditional time for releasing news you want to die down quickly?

  • Its convenient that SF only expelled him last night…. four weeks ago I hadn’t a clue who he was and now hes another weapon of British opression.

    What have SF been doing for the last 3 years when he had the charges hanging over him that they did not notice something dodgy about him?

    It all seems a bit far fetched if you ask me…

    Surely this wouldnt be another attention seeking ploy put out by SF?

  • I was wondering is Denis is the only Menace or is there other Chuckycrats out there?.

    parnell@elblogador.com

  • I can safely say that none of the administration team of the SDLP is in the pay of the Brits as an informer.

    Which is more than can be said of Sinn Féin. The whole provo movement is riddled with informers, which explains their collusion with the British government over recent weeks.

    The nationalist people now realise that Sinn Féin does not have the interests of Irish nationalism at heart. They are treacherous agents of British oppression seeking to overthrow the democratic state of Ireland.

    Shame on them.

  • Henry94

    b TAFKABO

    The unfolding events dictated the timing from the looks of it. Sure it’s bad news for Sinn Fein that someone so high up in the organisation was a spy but Sinn Fein will recover and press on.

    There are other questions. A lot of money was sent on relocating people whose names were said to be on the lists in Donaldson’s possession. Was that all part of the show?

    This case was used to attack the integrity of every nationalist working in the public sector. Who is giong to take responsibility for that?

    Nuala O’Loan’s office gave this case a clean bill of health. Was she aware of Donaldson’s true position?

    If not what’s she going to do now?

    Will Michael McDowell bertie and the rest of them continue to accept the claims of the PNSI about the Northern bank job if it proves they were lied to about Stormontgate.

    Can I be the first to say that this is bigger than watergate?

  • Mick Fealty

    Henry,

    Can I be the first to say that this is bigger than watergate?

    To quote Magill, “You wouldn’t be exaggerating a little bit, would you?”

    Having said that some disclosure would be useful…

  • I can safely say that none of the administration team of the SDLP is in the pay of the Brits as an informer.

    No you can’t, you have no way of knowing!!

  • Mick Fealty

    BBC is reporting another British mole inside Sinn Fein. Noel Thompson said “it is our understanding Donaldson was not the mole”.

  • Tiny

    Firstly, it seems the Shinners not quite as professional as they like to portray themselves, 2 spies at the highest level isn’t likely to reflect well on the bearded one and chums.
    Secondly the other Donaldson (Jeffrey) appears to be demanding that the Brits expose all their informants, clearly Jeff has ruhed to the mike

  • Have to say I am pretty amazed that after the whole ‘steak knife’ affair, the internal security people within the Provisionals haven’t been working overtime to root out any other undesirables.

    I thought that Stormountgate was a carefully crafted plan by Adams & Co. obviously I was crediting them with too much intelligence (unlike the Brits whose intelligence was running Donaldson!). I wonder how much of Sinn Fein’s recent policies were dreamt up or forwarded by British agents.

    Would the last republican in Sinn Fein please turn out the light when they leave?

  • No you can’t, you have no way of knowing!!

    Trust me, I can. Compared to the provos, the SDLP are paragons of virtue. But then again, it wouldn’t be hard…

  • “Trust me, I can”

    I don’t trust you and you can’t!

  • Crataegus

    We definitely need an inquiry, it’s that simple. Speculation is pointless, the truth is usually a murky grey, but one thing for sure HM Gov is definitely up to its neck in it.

    HAIN WHAT ARE YOU HIDING ???????????

  • missfitz

    Mark Devenport introduced the report tonight by saying “if you were confused by this you were right”
    He’s right. Sorry, I find this all very confusing, and its still early on a Friday.

    Will it get any clearer? Who did what to whom, when and for why?

  • missfitz

    oh, another thing…..

    Releasing this on Friday is very hardly likely to make it any less explosive, in my opinion. I see it fomenting over the weekend and becoming really big by next week. Surely this one wont go away

  • Brian Boru

    Fermanagh Young Unionist, if there was a Republican spyring, then why were the charges dropped, especially since the Brits had 3 years to build a case? There was NO spyring. This is the same outfit responsible for the Birmingham Six and Guildford Four miscarriages of justice. This is hardly going to encourage SF to support the PSNI.

    Politically-motivated policing must end. The ghosts of the old ways must be banished.

  • Betty Boo

    Brian,

    Sinn Fein’s words are “There is no spy ring at Stormont”
    I always understood that as there is no Sinn Fein spy ring at Stormont. Nor did I ever heard them saying, there is no spy ring at all.

  • harpo

    So PSF have accused him of being a spy for the evil Brits.

    I look forward to the usual suspects demanding due process as he faces this charge. Isn’t he to be presumed innocent until he is proven guilty? Or doesn’t it work that way when it’s the Provos making the charge?

    From what I have seen so far the usual suspects just lap up the accusation, so that he is assumed to be a British spy. That fits in nicely with their world view, so there is no need for due process, a presumption of innocence or anything else. They simply take what Gerry Adams tells them as fact.

    Would any Provo supporter care to explain how this all works? If the state accuses someone of something – think of the McDowell accusations against Connelly – it is unfair and a stain on the man’s reputation. The same for those accused of the Northern bank job and even these Stormontgate charged. Until there are convictions in a proper court of law the people are presumed to be innocent of any charge.

    So why do you swallow what Gerry Adams tells you? Where are the demands for due process and the presumption of innocence and concrens about reputations now that a Provo kangaroo court has convicted a man?

  • Brian Boru

    Well harpo, Gerry has said that Donaldson admitted to him that he was a spy, so that would seem to offer conclusive proof.

  • Betty Boo

    Would he fall under the proposed OTR legislation?
    Just kidding.

  • “I don’t trust you and you can’t!”

    Fair enuff, don’t trust me, but I can assure you, the SDLP admin are absolutely not spies for the Brits, unlike Sinn Féin. 100% cast iron guaranteed. No question about it. I should know. Pity your lot can’t say the same…

  • J Kelly

    El mat you are sure i am glad for you but can you be as sure that none of them are slipping the odd titbit to sinn fein. A letter in the Derry Journal implied that now members of the SDLP were former republican activists who played their part in the military struggle. Food for thought.

  • Glen Taisie

    The raids on the offices of the Sinn Fein Cumann in Stormont produced only a floppy disc. Yet the raid on one of thre accused homes found a binliner full of material. Surely Donalson was supposed to leave the binliner full of stuff in the Stormont office to be found and caught on camera.

  • Course the Stoops aren’t in the pay of HMG – why should they be? They get more than enough lolly from the Free State govt.

  • TAFKABO

    By the way.

    Sinn Fein have said that Donaldson has admitted to being a spy, but it is worth noticing that so far there have been no claims he has admitted to being involved in spying at the behest of the Brits.

    Why would he admit to being a spy, but not admit to that, if indeed that was what happened?

  • harpo

    Brian Boru

    You said:
    ‘Well harpo, Gerry has said that Donaldson admitted to him that he was a spy, so that would seem to offer conclusive proof.’

    So now anything that Gerry Adams SAYS is to be taken as conclusive proof? Is that a fact? Why not install Gerry as the whole criminal justice system for NI then? Whatever Gerry says people told him is the truth and we can all depend on it.

    No trials, no courts, no defence teams – just a quick word with Gerry and whatever Gerry says afterwards is taken as the conclusive truth.

    Have you considered the possibility that Donaldson has been told to make an admission that he is the spy? Or that he won’t say anything after Gerry says he has admitted it? Even though he isn’t the spy.

    Given Gerry’s position and connections, I’m quite sure Donaldson would do anything he was told for fear of what would happen to him or his family if he didn’t comply.

    It’s awfully handy for the explanation that Donaldson is a Brit spy to come out. I’d like to see proof of it, and no, a statement by Donaldson wouldn’t be proof.

  • Henry94

    harpo

    I look forward to the usual suspects demanding due process as he faces this charge. Isn’t he to be presumed innocent until he is proven guilty? Or doesn’t it work that way when it’s the Provos making the charge?

    I’m not sure if I qualify as a usual suspect but I’m a Sinn fein supporter and I posted this before 4pm today

    Let’s not presume guilt any more now than we did when he was arrested. Let’s see what Gerry Adams has to say and what these claims are based on.

  • The ignorance displayed on this site is mind numbing at times. So it is now being claimed that Donaldson is not necessarily a spy but that Adams is making him say that!! Well F*** me pink!

    I am sure Donaldson would have little to fear from Adams & Co. He is far too well known and the Provisional movement have moved completely into ‘constitutional politics’ so he does not need to fear a reprisal there,(please ffs don’t start trotting out various Provo attacks, etc. Steak-knife wasn’t killed I am sure Donaldson wont)

    What could Adams have to gain by branding a veteran republican of 30 years, and an influential man within Provisional Sinn Fein a British spy? If nothing else it makes them look like an organisation riddles with dissention and touts!

    It would also be a bit strange for Donaldson to go to Adams and tell him he has been spying for him! So that leaves some other interested party, Michael Mc Dowell anyone?

  • missfitz

    What I heard on the news tonight was that Donaldson was to be “outed” on Sunday in the papers, and was warned about this by PSNI, or whatever. He then, allegedly, fessed up to SF and the announcement was then made.

    I only add this as people seem to be implying that the shinners made it all up

  • harpo

    ‘Someone’s not telling the truth.’
    said Mick to start all this.

    Here is a further thought.

    If Donaldson was working for the Brits then of course he is going to lie, while no one knows that he is working for the Brits. He is going to follow the party line and stay buried, with the appearance of a man who the evil Brits tried to jail for being a loyal Provo.

    In addition there is no reason why he wouldn’t run a spy ring at Stormont on behalf of the Provos. Brit agents within the Provo organization often have to carry out normal Provo activities in order to maintain their cover. Some had to kill to maintain their cover, so why wouldn’t he have gone along with a plan to run a spy ring?

    It is also obvious that even though he was a Brit agent, he wouldn’t bust this spy ring if the only people who would suffer were he himself and his family. The fact that the ring was busted indicates that there was a second Brit agent about, who obviously didn’t know that Donaldson was also an agent. This second Brit agent thus thought nothing of exposing the spy ring. That has happened many times during the Troubles – various agencies running agents, and one agent shopping another agent that they knew nothing about.

    So it gets busted, and Donaldson ends up in a bad spot. He is charged. He can’t go declaring ‘hang on kids – I’m a Brit agent’, so he has to go along once more with the party line – that it was a political arrest and that he is am innocent PSFer. It even increases his credentials – he is suffering for the cause. The charges are dropped and he comes out still saying he was innocent, reputation within the Provos intact, maybe even enhanced.

    But then this week happens – a paper learns he is a Brit agent and threatens to expose it, so he comes clean to Gerry Adams.

    Conclusions:

    1. The statement by Sinn Fein links 2 things that aren’t related. The fact that Donaldson was a Brit agent doesn’t mean that there was no spy ring at Stormont. It has nothing to do with the spy ring. PSF simply use it to yell ‘Brit dirty tricks’. A tactic that Provo fans will lap up. They don’t care that the 2 things aren’t related. All they see is Brit dirty tricks, because that’s what they expect.

    2. There is still another Brit spy within the Provos. He/she knew about the spy ring.

  • Two questions.

    1) What did Donaldson do that allowed Special Branch to control him? And,

    2) Why throw him to the wolves now? I know SB will dump an informer when they are no longer useful but surely he would have been of some value.

  • slug

    Harpo – thanks for that, useful analysis.

  • Brian

    Donaldson is a traitor, another Eamonn Collins. Now if I were him I’d be gone like a light.

  • NORTHERN FF

    Turns out my Mother was right:

    “Never trust the Brits and never, ever trust the Provos”.

    Smart lady.

  • Betty Boo

    There wouldn’t have been any provos without the brits.

  • Brian Boru

    Apparently the “evidence” upon which the apyring allegations were based and accepted by the Police Ombudsman were found at Denis Donaldson’s home, strengthening suggestions that he was ordered by the Brits to plant evidence. It is nonsensical to suggest he was part of both British and IRA spyring’s simultaneously.

    Unionists who refuse to accept there was no IRA spyring are just trying to avoid losing face, as they have constantly claimed there was a spyring. Just like how under the last Tory government fake IRA bomb packages were sent by MI5 to Unionist politicians to undermine the peace-process, sinister goings on in that vein are still happened, and the spyring issue is an example. They had 3 years to bring a case against the accused by constantly refused. There was no case because the accusations were false. Political-policing must be purged from the Northern security forces. The impartiality of the Northern police must not be taken for granted in the absence of oversight mechanisms with adequate teeth.

  • Comrade Stalin

    just like how under the last Tory government fake IRA bomb packages were sent by MI5 to Unionist politicians to undermine the peace-process

    Republicans are always complaining about allegations being made without a shred of evidence, eg the bank robbery. Have you got a shred of evidence to support this quite extraordinary allegation ?

  • willowfield

    Brian Boru is raving.

    Do Henry94 and, indeed, the Provo movement generally, still deny that Scap was an agent?

  • When I first saw the headlines I wondered what on earth Jeffrey had been up to! It was a worrying few moments!

  • TAFKABO

    Nah, wee Jeffrey may have been called a vegetable, but never a plant.

  • TAF

    Vegetables are very good for you 😉

  • Brian Boru

    My allegations about the Brit security-services sending fake bomb packages to Unionist politicians – including Bob McCartney – is based on newspaper stories at the time in Britain, which talked of the British secret-services trying to undermine the Peace Process. Can’t find a link to this but I recall at the time hearing about it.

  • Comrade Stalin

    My allegations about the Brit security-services sending fake bomb packages to Unionist politicians – including Bob McCartney – is based on newspaper stories at the time in Britain, which talked of the British secret-services trying to undermine the Peace Process. Can’t find a link to this but I recall at the time hearing about it.

    This is remarkable hypocrisy on your part, Brian. There has been a mass of newspaper articles accusing the IRA of robbing the bank, but few republicans accept them as truth. Do you only believe the papers when they agree with you ?

  • Henry94

    willowfield

    Do Henry94 and, indeed, the Provo movement generally, still deny that Scap was an agent?

    I would never have been in a position to make such a denial and I never did. I would have no way of knowing one way or the other.

    I do remember asking what evidence such claims were based on and that was never satisfactorily explained to me by anybody.

    The man denied it and as far as I’m concerned that placed the burden of proof on his accusers.

    It still does.