The long-running affair continues

The ongoing case of the Irish Worker’s Party president Sean Garland, wanted by the US on counterfeiting charges, and at large in the Republic, continues. In the Independent, David McKittrick – interestingly in the Asia section – notes that Garland “argues that coverage of the affair has been ‘sensationalised’.”.. while in the Daily Ireland, Danny Morrison, eventually, gets to the point of his article, claiming – “Seán Garland has no chance of getting justice in the United States and it is on that basis — not out of sympathy for the man or his party — that his extradition should be opposed and resisted.”Morrison also appears to suggest that opposition to Garland’s extradition should could be based on an argument that Garland’s counterfeiting of US currency was ‘a legitimate, revolutionary act’ –

Perhaps at some stage we could theoretically debate whether the organised distribution of counterfeit US dollars is in certain circumstances a legitimate, revolutionary act — something akin to robbing a bank without actually going into the bank — or is in all circumstances a criminal act.

I’m not entirely sure who Morrison was thinking of with his bank robbery analogy, but Garland could always try arguing that one in court..

  • Henry94

    Can Danny name any countries where it is possible to get a fair trial?

  • Animus

    I’m not sure Danny Morrison is best placed to state the legitimacy (or potential legitimacy) of counterfeiting – he’s certainly not everyone’s idea of a moral compass.

    I wonder where Morrison would recommend the trial be held if not the US? It’s not like burning the flag; I’m not aware that Americans have a particular attachment to their currency.

  • Paul

    Wasn’t Danny involved in some sort of trial himself before the peelers arrived to interrupt proceedings? I’m sure all efforts were made to ensure that that chap was getting a fair trial before they were going to shoot him.

  • spartacus

    PB:

    Not surprisingly, your commentary on DM’s article completely misrepresents his argument. Given the established pattern of similar editorial indiscretions on your part my guess is that this is willful on your part. He does not ‘suggest that opposition to Garland’s extradition should be based on an argument that Garland’s counterfeiting of US currency was ‘a legitimate, revolutionary act’.’ Read it again: ‘at some point’ he argues, we might ‘theoretically debate’ whether that is true. The POINT of his piece is that Garland could not possibly get a fair trial in the US. You can agree or disagree with that position, but will you ever just grow up and stop twisting everything you post out here?

  • Pete Baker

    spartacus

    “Danny Morrison, eventually, gets to the point of his article, claiming – “Seán Garland has no chance of getting justice in the United States..”

    And

    “Morrison also appears to suggest that opposition to Garland’s extradition should be based on an argument”

    But I’ll accept I should have said ‘could’ rather than ‘should’.

    I’ll amend the post appropriately.

  • Dick Doggins

    PB, your continued attempts to attack SF and anyone remotely associated with them has led droves to view this blog as Unionist and nothing but Unionist.

    Slugger time me thinks for some to be retired!

  • Mickhall

    Dick,

    I think your wrong about Pete retiring, although what I would suggest is for someone to post up articles that are sympathetic to SF. I may be mistaken, but this rarely happens despite all the delights of Slugger O’Toole, thus I can understand the frustrations expressed by SF members.

    On DM’s article, the support he was offering Sean Garland seemed to me; and im sure was intended to be more like the rope which is offered to support a condemned man, thus Pete was correct in pointing out how long it took Mr Morrison to get to the point.

    Once the word terrorist and one of the states which make up the so called axis of evil are linked in a US court, then I fear no matter who is on trial one can say good bye to justice being done.

  • frank

    “I think your wrong about Pete retiring, although what I would suggest is for someone to post up articles that are sympathetic to SF.”

    Perhaps the reason there are so few articles posted up on slugger with a Nationalist or Republican leaning is because very few bother to read or contribute to the site any longer.

    I think many have looked elsewhere.

  • Comrade Stalin

    PB, your continued attempts to attack SF and anyone remotely associated with them has led droves to view this blog as Unionist and nothing but Unionist.

    You seem to have mistaken me for someone who gives a ?!#@.

    If you want unadulterated contributions carefully edited to remove all strains of non-SF party line thought, toddle off to Danny Morrison’s forums, where a friendly moderator stands by to quickly censor unionist arguments, criticisms of SF or (worst of all) criticisms of Morrison.

  • Pete Baker

    Not to worry, MickH.. my retiring was not considered [at least not by me].

    Interestingly my critics – who are legion – neglect to criticise other examples of my, consistently, unsympathetic posts.

    Now back to the topic.

  • topdeckomnibus

    (1) The MOD make a six figure out of court settlement on a survivor of the 1989 Deal Royal Marines barracks bombing 1989 … Nov 2005

    (2) An East Kent Magistrates clerk replies that it is not the function of the Magistrates to hold an inquisition in Treason Law (against Kent Police in a range of matters including Deal bombing.

    (3) It is pointed out to the Clerk that the reply should be signed by two JPs. No further reply.

    (4) Supt Penny Martin named in informations to the Justices announces retirement and is pictured in press clearing her desk

    (5) Sean Garland, as arcbitect of the plan published by Scarman for industrial sabotage (also featuring in the Common Law Informations to East Kent Justices) gets bail and skips South behind what is actually a compelling human rights argument that he would not get a fair trial in USA.

    Are we seeing chaos theory or Newtonian (every force having an equal and opposite reaction) ?

    It seems that Tony Blair wants the secret squirrels to vet judges to select those suitable to hold inquisitorial process against terror suspects … (that is the European thing where the Judge takes part in the investigation as a means to avoid telling an accused what you think he has done)

    Apparently a Common Law Treason response by JPs which would entail inquisition about Tony Blair signing the Good Friday Agreement without specifying sabotage as a weapon system for declaration … that is not such a good idea ?

    Sabotage was achieved. And if the original Garland Plan went to ceasefire in 1972 … then the question remains whodunnit ?

    As for the source of allegedly forged Army Records of Service (which were allegedly used to secure employ as civilian guard at Deal barracks) … apparently we don’t get to know if they were the work of convicted document forger and dollar counterfeiter Cyril Hoser ??

    Which brings us to dollar counterfeiting again.

    No chance of the truth of all this coming out

    Ans as one who has for years asked for inquiry to determine if industrial sabotage is related to Garland Plan (Coincidence, inspired, conspiratorial or whatever as long as the truth is found) … I think the chances of Garland getting a fair trial in an analogous matter like counterfeiting are somewhere between zero and nil.

    If he done it then he must get away with it because he has been tried by media already.

  • It’s interesting that the press coverage of the Sean Garland affair is described as sensansionalised, when the posters say “don’t extradite him to **Guantanamo** “.

  • topdeckomnibus

    Yes Paul … almost Newtonian again … press creates equal and opposite reaction on posters.

    The press did this in the Stephen Lawrence case as well but, with no opposing force, we ended up with the twist of the myth of institutionalised racism and (anyone notice ?) no justice at all for Stephen.

    The Met have told media more recently that they know “Exactly” who murdered Stephen.

    The problem may be that they also know why …. and the motive was not racist ??

    This precedent of press hysteria, concluding with unfair universal condemnation of whites and nil justice for Stephen, does not bode well for Wee Sean ….

  • Paul

    Topdeckomnibus, what are you on about? The way the police reacted to Stephen Lawrence’s murder did reveal institutional racism. There was no “universal condemnation of whites”, just condemnation of the racist thugs involved and the police handling of the crime. As regards a lack of prosecution despite the police knowing “exactly who did it”, surely we are well used to that here, knowing someone did it and being able to convict them in court are two different things.

  • topdeckomnibus

    Paul

    Which racist thugs were involved ?

    There has been no prosecution.

    Which is rather the point

    Stephen Lawrence case

    Omagh Bombing case

    Sean Garland case

    No one is saying that serious issues are not involved.

    But the trend is prejudicial trial by media followed by the award of compo ??

    Just as a TEST … I put it to you that the murder of Stephen Lawrence was motivated by retribution.

    If there had been an inquiry which had led to “Racist” motive exclusively .. then it should be a simple matter to cite from the inquiry and disprove the above test argument.

    Kent Police deployed on the Lawrence Inquiry … but they were compromised by the fact that they were refusing to make inquiry and report in response to a call from their own Police Authority (In the matters of sabotage consistent with Garland Plan and the Kent Police handling of the 1989 Deal Barracks security and bombing inquiry)

    The solicitor Imran Khan was faxed but chose not to answer.

    Jack Straw later refused to compel the report called for by Kent Police Authority.

    But nonetheless Kent’s Chief constable was pretty soon earmarked to deploy on the Rosemary Nelson case.

    This is a tangled web.

    Which so far has reached this empasse

    The lurid press reports (by which you condemn four racist thugs) included allegations of gun running against their wider families ?

    And that aspect lands smack bang on top of some of the substance of breach of security warnings ignored by Kent Police in the months before the Deal Barracks bombing.

    So at the time they were investigating Lawrence they were refusing their own Police Authority request to investigate the same people ??

    One of the reasons they may not be able to prosecute now is not becaise of the burden of proof but the hurdle of prejudice created by press and inquiry.

    If I was feeling half as bold as the press in the case … I might venture to tell you who killed Stephen and why …..

    But a clue is what his mate said on TV (the lad who ran with him)

    “Stephen was not against white people but he was for his own people”

    perhaps not so much a racist murder as a racist murdered. But he did not get justice.

  • Animus

    Universal condemnation of whites – I don’t recall that being a main finding of the Lawrence enquiry.

    And Stephen being for his own people – well, why shouldn’t he be? You’re reading racism into a statement like that? Promoting your own interests does not make you against the opposite. Do you think women’s groups all hate men, children’s groups all hate adults?

  • Gerry Lvs Castro

    ”the posters say “don’t extradite him to **Guantanamo** “.”

    There aren’t many things that unite the delightful communities in Northern Ireland/Ulster/6 Counties/North of Ireland (take your pick), but a complete inability to remove out-dated posters & graffitti is a thumping great cross-community success.
    We’re treated to Sean’s film-star looks on Belfast lamp-posts long after he has ‘flown the coop’, while reading the legend ‘Free Sean Kelly’ on that big block of flats on the westlink and (most hilariously) ‘No Justice Free Billy Wright’ scrawled on a motorway bridge on the MI near Moira. Anyone else spotted any more crackers like these?