Four arrested over Claudy bombing

It gets more interesting. Four have been arrested, including East Londonderry MLA Francis Brolly as part of an investigation into the 1972 bombing of Claudy village.

  • Carnhill

    As hard as it may be for victims and their relations, does anyone agree that ,with the OTR legislation about to be introduced and with all the prisoner releases after the GFA, arresting people for troubles related offences which occurred pre the GFA is just one massive waste of time and resources ?
    I can’t really see what will be acheived by any of it, as even if people were to be convicted the victims & relatives would surely feel even more cheated and short-changed by seeing these people then , in effect, walking free on licence.
    Surely the RUC / PSNI would be better served attempting to tackle the problems in todays society e.g. the rampant anti-social behaviour tearing apart decent communities on both sides of the divide.

  • fair_deal
  • Pete Baker

    The BBC have a report too.. which also notes the identity of another of the arrested individuals, a freelance journalist who has worked for the BBC, Seamus Mullan.

    And, according to Martin McGuinness, the Sinn Féin MLA Francie Brolly is now “a key participant in the peace process”..

    Just as well that OTR legislation is in the pipeline..

  • BogExile

    ‘does anyone agree that ,with the OTR legislation about to be introduced and with all the prisoner releases after the GFA, arresting people for troubles related offences which occurred pre the GFA is just one massive waste of time and resources ?’

    Yes if you agree that oither ludicrously expensive PR exercises such as the Bloody Sunday enquiry is also a ‘waste of time and resources.’ I happen to think unlike some elements of the Bristoish Government that there is no statute of limitation for murderers.

  • Shore Road Resident

    No Carnhill, I don’t agree.
    The relatives of the innocent people murdered by the IRA at Claudy have always made it clear that they want the truth – and whatever justice is still possible.
    Like the Bloody Sunday families, in fact.

  • Carnhill

    I think that the Bloody Sunday inquiry has provided us with a perfect example of the pointlessness of these whole exercises. Prior to the Inquiry being set up I would have supported the calls for an inquiry / investigation of sorts. However ‘x’ amount of years later and ‘x’ amount of millions of Pounds later – what exactly has been acheived by the inquiry ?
    Justice will not, at this stage, be acheived for these families, similarly in the Claudy Bombing case and in countless others. With the legislation that has been brought in and which is to be brought in, Justice for these families is now simply not possible – therefore what is the point in the investigations ??? Time to draw a line under things I think and move forward.

  • Alan

    The problem with letting loose the perpetrators is that you also let loose the truth – to fly where it will. I worry that by covering over the bloodied bodies, the heartache and the pain that you merely clean the gun in order to pass it on.

    At some level, those who decided to involve themselves in violent activities, on either side, have a responsibility to account for their actions.

    What value the ideology of an organisation that runs away from the actions of its own members?

    Is it simply that people who involved themselves in appalling crimes against the humanity of other people do not want the hassle of accepting responsibility for what they did? Or was there a *you will never have to own to anything* clause when they volunteered.

    Claudy was truly horrifying – what was the reason, who did it benefit?

  • crow

    So some people think a line shlould be drawn under these attrocities.Why, because it has taken too long to solve.OK so where do you stop?Do you think maybe five years investigating is long enough and then “oh this is taking too long draw a line under it”.People have been murdered.

  • Carnhill

    Crow – Have you read my initial post ?? Yes I do think that a line should now be drawn under these attrocities – No, not because they have taken too long to solve – simply for the reasons stated in the initial post. The legislation which has been introduced and which is now in the process of being introduced means that even if these attrocities are investigated, and people are charged, and then convicted in court (which is a very remote possibility anyway such is the time elapsed between the attrocities and the possible court cases) – these people will not serve a single day behind bars – they will be immediatly freed on licence. Therefore what is the point of this whole expensive exercise ??? Some forlorn hope that through getting the ‘truth’ out there the world will be a better place & that the victims families suffering will be ended ??
    On a practical level I just don’t see any point in wasting much-needed time & resources going through that futile process.

  • Liam

    My mother was one of those murdered in Claudy.All we want and expect from this investigation is the truth.We understand no one will stand trial for this atrocity.Its no secret to the victims families who carried out the murders.

  • Crataegus

    Carnhill

    We have to pursue the truth even if we are denied justice, most victims I know would rather see the perpetrators convicted even if cheated justice by release. People convicted have a stain on their character and society should know them for what they are. There are many people in this society who need to be made face what they have done or got others to do for them.

    Alan puts it very well THE TRUTH is of fundamental importance so that future generations inherit fewer myths. The crimes against humanity committed here were sustained and extreme. Innocent people were deliberately targeted and the whole role of various parts of the state more than just questionable. We must pursue the truth.

  • On the OTRs, this is exactly why Alliance has pushed the amendment saying that, AT LEAST, those benefitting from OTR legislation personally face the court. People who committed atrocities must be brought to face the courts, and the victims and their families must know this.

    However, we should hold fire on this one – these guys have been arrested but we don’t know exactly why.

  • Carnhill

    On the whole I would disagree with this whole ‘fundamental importance of the truth’ re each and every single crime committed through the last 30 odd years of the trouble – I wonder where this process would get us at all (no-where fast is my guess).
    On the whole we know that people were killed on all sides & by all sides (including by various state / state-supported bodies) – I’m not really sure if potentially dragging hundreds of individuals who were caught up in the whole messy business that was NI in the troubles years will achieve anything apart from increasing hurt & division.
    However I do understand that it’s all very simple for me to say ‘lets move on’ etc when my mother & father & close family are all still here with me. Apologies Liam if anything I’ve posted has caused you offence in any way – I can’t ever really put myself in your position, or understand the trauma & hurt that your family must’ve been put through. I do still wonder as to what can come of this investigation after all these years and whether you’ll get what you are after (i.e the truth). Unfortunately I very much doubt it.

  • First question, why is this happening now? It seems a bit strange that after all the Provos guns have been decommissioned the British security forces are starting to make inroads in a number of previously unsolved crimes!

    And then Provisional Sinn Fein (PSF), start cribbing and crying that the RUC/PSNI are guilty of political policing – sure is that not what they signed up to when they agreed to the GFA?

    People are posting that they want the truth; I wonder how likely that is considering the wheeling and dealing that is going on between the British govt. and PSF?

  • Crataegus

    Raff

    If we don’t pursue the truth we will never get it. Better to try than not.

  • Very good point Crataegus however to quote Master Yoda, “there is no try, do, or do not” 🙂

  • Crataegus
  • Most excellent link.

    “The regional governors now have direct control over their territories. Fear will keep the local systems in line.”

    Life imitating art?

  • Whatabout

    Will there be a trial or a tribunal? Am I correct in thinking there wouldn’t, as the offence occurred before the GFA?

    Carnhill, there is always a point in justice.

  • pakman

    Let’s not assume that OTR legislation is getting on the statute book anytime soon or in any form resembling the current bill. In the meantime it is perfectly legitimate and proper to pursue killers still at large in society. To do otherwise would be to let them get away with murder… is that what posters want?

  • I am sure posters don’t want people to get away with murder, but they are realistic knowing that everything is not all as it seems here and often things are decided way in advance of being made public and ‘held up for discussion’.