Orangeman’s trip back to Africa

After many years of African Orangemen coming to Northern Ireland, one member of the Orange Order Ireland went to visit his brethern in Ghana – where there are no less than twenty lodges.

  • Gonzo

    I wonder why the Ulster Scots Agency funded the academic research on Ghana and not the Orange Order?

    Clearly, the loyal citizens of Africa aren’t Ulster Scots, and probably have never heard of it.

    Absolutely ridiculous.

  • George

    African Orangemen from Ghana when they came to Northern Ireland said they wouldn’t march the Garvaghy Road.

    They said they couldn’t understand why anybody would try force a march where they weren’t wanted. They wouldn’t march where they aren’t wanted.

    Strange how the Belfast Telegraph ignored that little fact. Probably didn’t fit in with the cuddly nature of the piece.

  • Conor

    thats interesting george. i wonder if Nelson tried to correct the honourable Kofe Humado when he repeatedly spoke of ‘Irish’ society.

  • Captian Mannering

    One things for sure:The African brethen will be more educated, literate and civilised than their Ulster and especially their Belfast counterparts.

  • The Ulster-Scots Agency funded the University of Ulster`s Ulster-Scots Institute. It was the University of Ulster that conducted the academic research into the Ulster-Scots diaspora, which obviously is how Orangeism arrived in Nigeria, togo and Ghana via Irish / Ulster soldiers and also missionaries.

    “spoke of ‘Irish’ society.”

    Nelson spoke of going home to Ireland as well as using Ulster in conversation.

  • Mick Fealty

    Thanks for the clarification Alan. It’s a fascinating line of diaspora research. Particularly if there’s any residual cultural impacts in the areas where it became popular.

    Any idea of the timeline until publication or papers begin to emerge?

  • Biffo

    Alan2

    The Orange Order has it’s roots in Ulster-English religion and culture, not Ulster-Scots.

    Maybe somebody should be good enough to let the Ulster Scots Agency and University of Ulster know.

  • Mick Fealty

    Pat,

    It would be good to hear how you’ve come to that conclusion?

  • fair_deal

    Biffo

    “The Orange Order has it’s roots in Ulster-English religion and culture, not Ulster-Scots”

    A common misrepresentation , the OO is actually a strong mix of the two, the ritualistic approach of the degrees is the Anglican influence but the decentralised structure the is much more the Presbyterian influence. Also many of the earliest lodges had large Presbyterian membership. The Ordnance survey of the 1830’s demonstrate Orangeism had already spread into previously strong United Irishmen areas.

    Also today the areas with the strongest levels of historic Ulster-Scot settlement tend to be have higher membership levels e.g. County Antrim is now the largest county in membership.

  • Belfast Gonzo

    All well and good, but there is a growing tendency in unionism to conflate ‘Ulster Scots’ and Orangeism (and Protestantism generally, since you’re asking!), as though they are somehow interchangeable.

    Is it an attempt to create ‘Little Ulstermen’? It sometimes appears as nationalistic an ideology as the ‘Little Irelanders’ on the other side of the fence.