To infinity and beyond!

Máirtín Ó Muilleoir finds time to applaud the Brilliant Masses [all 8,762 of them] who score a little victory every day.. when they buy a copy of the Daily Ireland. Interestingly, he claims to have attracted seven-figure support from investors after a “second funding round” – How is that petition going?. He also claims that the Daily Ireland team’s response, to the countless brickbats, has been “to stay in the only gear they know — forward.”.. apart from that slight hiccup back in June.. obviously. Evidence of its success is “the growth in family notices since our first issue on February 1; the steady rise in advertising revenue (last week was the best to date); and the consolidation of our sales performance.” Not a levelling off or a decline, Mick! The Broom manages to keep a straight face.. just.

  • TAFKABO

    To infinity and beyond ?

    From where I’m standing, it looks like they are having trouble getting to Finaghy and beyond.

  • slug

    Most recent ABC Figures:

    Daily Ireland: 8762 actively purchased.

    Larne Times: 11420 actively purchased.

  • henry94

    Continued sucess to the best newspaper in the country.

  • mwk

    henry: Yeah, I hope the Larne Times goes from strength to strength too.

  • Lets face it, the Daily Ireland gets a lot of free advertisement here, these little bashing sessions on Slugger get the title to a wider audience…

  • Pete Baker

    Actually, cladyc, I’m too busy laughing at Máirtín’s overblown prose to bash Daily Ireland.

  • seabhac siulach

    Laugh all you like boys…but the paper is still around…
    There is, whether you believe it or not, a need for a republican paper in the market to give a wee bit of balance. 25% of the electorate can grow tired of reading and being lectured to by unionist and Stoop opinion day after day after day…
    In any case, when, I wonder will we see the same level of dynamism coming from within the Unionist community…perhaps with the launch of an all-Ireland paper to extol the virtues and benefits of red letterboxes and the Queen’s head on coins?
    Let’s face it, all the energy and momentum (and money, or should I not mention that, for politeness?) these days is on the nationalist side…
    Unionism is rudderless and, therefore, merely spinning in every more pointless circles.

  • mwk

    Most Oppressed Paper Ever. Most Opulent Prose Ever.

    Whataboutery in the 7th post. Genius!

  • Mickhall

    Perhaps there is a bit of these corner boys should keep to there ghetto and not get above them selves. Me, I welcome almost any new Paper. Daily Ireland is a considerable achievement not least because it is still up and running and if we are to believe O’Muilleoir expanding with a new Dublin office.

    Why does this paper make some people so hot under the collar when the likes of Murdoch or O Reilly cause them hardly a flicker.
    One minute you want the shinners to stop acting in an illegal manner then when they do and set up a daily paper you don’t like it. What would you prefer they carried on robbing banks.

    In the long run DI will live or die by its content, thus daily sales and advertising revenue, the market will decide I wish it well.

    Regards

  • seabhac siulach

    What about Most Overused Pedantic Excuse for limiting discussion – whataboutery…
    Another thing to hide behind, must be that siege mentality, boys…

  • Pete Baker

    “the market will decide”?!!

    Ok.. Who are you? and what have you done with the real Mick Hall? 😉

  • mwk

    SS: No, I pointed out the whataboutery as it was exactly that. You couched your whole retort in that. Was there any need to mention rudderless Unionism? Could you not have pointed out the gap in the market that is filled by DI?

    It is all point out by yourself. You used the connective In any case which implies you have moved on to point out something else, not really related.

    *you* are hiding by obfuscating. Yawn.

  • Pete,

    Unfortunately CladyC is on the ball. This is the most boring and pointless ongoing thread on the whole site. You have started yet another thread slamming the very existence of a newspaper that you clearly cant stand the sight of. SOLUTION – Dont but it and just get on with the rest of your life ! I cant stand The Sun Or The Daily Mail or even the Belfast Telegraph but I respect their right to exist. Is it really so intolerable for you in a free and democratic society to acknowledge that a newspaper can have a Republican perspective? What exactly is wrong that. I get the impression that you’re becoming increasingly obsessed by this. Next thing you’ll be hanging around outside newsagents to see who (does or doesnt) buy it! This sort of stuff is (in essence) what really keeps this society on a sectarian footing. There is little that can be done about the Neanderthals on both sides who riot to order, but it is truly desparing to see intelligent people like yourself displaying such covert and insular sectarian prejudices.

  • Shore Road Resident

    Yes Mick H, I’m surprised at you!
    But if it’s all going so well, why has the circulation actually declined since the launch???

  • Pete Baker

    macswiney

    In re: “You have started yet another thread slamming the very existence of a newspaper that you clearly cant stand the sight of.” and “I get the impression that you’re becoming increasingly obsessed by this.”

    I think you’ll find I’ve very rarely, if ever, opened a thread regarding the paper itself. The links to Slugger threads this one contains are by other bloggers.

    As I pointed out this thread relates to Máirtín Ó Muilleoir’s editorial and the points he makes within it.. not the paper itself.. I had actually considered placing in the humour category.. But there you go.

    As for boring and pointless.. I’m certain that I’ve started much more boring and pointless threads.

  • seabhac siulach

    mwk

    *you* are hiding by obfuscating. Yawn.

    My goodness, sorry for boring you there…
    I must admit this is all rather tedious for me as well…having to defend free speech (and valid comparison) is such a tiresome bore…

    “Could you not have pointed out the gap in the market that is filled by DI?”
    I thought I had…but you apparently only have eyes for whataboutery…

    I used the ‘in any case’ as I see the whole blog as yet another thinly disguised attempt at ridiculing the DI and, through it, of course, yet again, the whole republican message…
    (In the spirit of, ‘what are those annoying working class catholics getting up to now, how amusing’ sort of way…all a grand big joke, isn’t it?)
    Well, there was no attempt in the blog, nor has there ever been on these pages, an attempt to congratulate these DI people for providing employment in W.Belfast/Ireland and for attempting to launch an alternative to what passes for journalism on this island. Not a word. I make a valid point. Where is the equivalent in the unionist community?
    Where is the initiative in those areas? I do not see much coming out of working class loyalist areas? No debate on why that should be?
    Perhaps, we can have a little hilarious blog about that? About the decay in those areas? Hilarious!
    Or are ALL valid comparisons covered under that ridiculous ‘whataboutery’ nonsense of yours…

    Oh, sorry, I suppose this is all MOPE-ism, another of those discussion stoppers, is it?

    MOPE, whataboutery…all very, what is the word…oh yes…YAWN…

  • mwk

    “Could you not have pointed out the gap in the market that is filled by DI?”
    I thought I had…but you apparently only have eyes for whataboutery…

    Sorry, that was a slip of the fingers. It should have read’

    Could you not *just* have pointed out the gap in the market filled by DI?

    As I realise you did. But then you descended into *gasp* free speech and *swoon* valid comparison.

    Gosh, we are all *so* oppressing those oppressed working class catholics. I bet they are glad you are here to point that out. Again. And again. And again.

    Why don’t you get yourself a blog and congratluate DI there? Post the link in this thread, I will even link to you myself. I love reading other opinions. Sure you could ramble more there, and not feel hard-done by here.

  • seabhac siulach

    mwk

    “Gosh, we are all *so* oppressing those oppressed working class catholics. I bet they are glad you are here to point that out. Again. And again. And again.”

    No one mentioned oppression. Only unfair commentary. (I suspect you have a MOPE-complex) But then one has come to expect that on this site.

    “Why don’t you get yourself a blog and congratluate DI there?”

    Better still, why don’t I congratulate it here (where it is now relevant or do you also attempt to dictate WHERE I can comment?) and point out the comparison with a moribund unionist culture…just to continue to bore and obviously irritate you. (Those damned comparisons, awful, aren’t they?) My choice after all… Sorry about that.
    And, oh, sorry, have I been rambling again? We are , after all, not all as constipated (in the mere literal sense, of course) as you seem to be…

  • “ridiculing the DI and, through it, of course, yet again, the whole republican message… “
    IF the whole republican movement could be summed up by some of the tripe written within the pages of the DI they would deserve ridicule. Of course, I’m not sure that they could be summed up that way and therefore believe you’re making links that aren’t there in order to get offended on behalf of more people than the 8,000 or so who might care.

    You want to hear something similar from the working-class Unionist community? The Shankill Mirror’s Ulster edition was quite similar – simply replacing sensationalist republican propaganda with sensationalist loyalist propaganda.

    Besides, the Newsletter is quite capable of providing an articulation of many unionist viewpoints and has been going a lot longer, and selling a lot more, than the DI.

  • Shore Road Resident

    Nobody has answered my question: if things are going so well for Daily Ireland, why has its circulation actually declined?
    This raises a further question: if the editorial is lauding the paper’s success when it is clearly not a success, then how much credibility does this publication have?

    If Daily Ireland represents the “whole republican message” then it’s not representing it very well.

  • irishman

    Mick

    Another perfect example of smart-arse comments, courtesy of Baker- are we going to see you chastising your own contributors in the manner you did ‘nationalist’ posters in a recent thread?

    Regarding the paper, Mairtin was dead right to applaud the readers of this new paper. Whilst I would like to see its circulation maintained at a healthy level, nevertheless it is early days yet and the paper has been launched amidst a torrent of criticism from north and south.

    It will need time to establish a larger base circulation, which I sincerely hope it does as it undoubtedly reflects the sentiments of the vast majority of nationalists in the north of Ireland.

    The problem to date has been its inability to penetrate the historic bond the Irish News has with the nationalist community in the north. That will take time- and a more aggressive promotional campaign (IMO). In its favour is the fact that its columnists are undoubtedly a stronger bunch collectively than the Irish News, and certainly more reflective of the nationalist readers.

    It’s sad that Pete’s pathetic fixation with republicans and this newspaper is repeatedly allowed to colour what should be a productive discussion amongst people with opposing views.

    Methinks you should get your own house in order, Mick, before chastising others for responding in kind.

  • Pete Baker

    It’s sad that Pete’s pathetic fixation with republicans and this newspaper is repeatedly allowed to colour what should be a productive discussion amongst people with opposing views.

    I’ve already dealt with this accusation far too many times recently, including earlier on this thread, I’m not going to repeat myself.

  • TAFKABO

    I’d be curious to know why some people were happy to join in the attacks on the Shankill mirror, and yet feel the DI ought to be above reproach?
    Is it not the case that no Unionist here complained about the attacks on the Shankill Mirror in the way republicans and nationalists complain about the attacks on the DI?

    Why do republicans get so upset at this kind of thing?
    Seriously, what is wrong with attacking the DI?

    And if you want to answer that question, please tell me if you joined in the attacks on the Shankill mirror, and why?, or if not, why not?

  • Wow, what’s that five or six people who have defended the paper on this thread? It’s readership is booming!

    Nice post, pete.

    “Most Oppressed Paper Ever.”

    Excellent! How do you come up with these, mwk?;)

    By the way, seabhac siulach = Máirtín Ó Muilleoir? (Look at their names!)

    🙂

  • Aaron

    Hmm. No matter what the Daily Ireland has done in the past, I think the level of sneering in this post is totally inappropriate. What, exactly, is the point of this? How does this encourage debate and discussion?

    Frankly, the NI media needs more independent and relevant voices, and less ‘news’ beamed in from the mainland. How can an extra voice be a bad thing?

  • Shore Road Resident

    The point of the sneering is that the editor of the paper has cheered its success while its circulation is declining.
    Nobody is addressing this point.
    Repeat: the circulation of Daily Ireland is declining.
    Various republican contributors here continue to ignore this point – as if repeating the opposite of the fact will make it true. It won’t – which is a lesson Daily Ireland really could do with learning.

  • “Frankly, the NI media needs more independent and relevant voices”

    Aaron

    Yes it does, but from what I’ve read, Daily Ireland is delivering a stale, out-dated and on occasions, sectarian voice ( check out some of Livingstone’s recent offerings).

    I want to read opinions different to my own, articles that make me question my own political beliefs. I get this on occasions from The Blanket, the Irish News and the Southern-based papers.

    DI, on the other hand, is written for a narrow elitist readership that only want their own prejudices confirmed.

  • stu

    DI, now that it is established ‘in the capital’, will sink or swim, both sides of the border, on the value of its content. Good luck to it; I’m certainly not a fan of their hyperbole, especially when they dress their own poorly written articles in it to slam the poor standard of journalism elsewhere, but if people want to buy it and they think it represents them, more power to them.

  • ronnie clarke

    The success of Daily Ireland will depend whether or not it can conquer the national market. At present DI does not have enough articles on national issues and it seems content to be an alternative to the Irish News. This is evident when you read the lack of southern death notices and southern advertisements in DI. It certainly is different from the likes of Irish Independent or Irish times, but it has some way to go to gain recognition as a truly all Ireland newspaper

  • Mickhall

    “the market will decide”?!!

    Ok.. Who are you? and what have you done with the real Mick Hall? 😉

    Posted by Pete Baker

    Pete,
    Good stuff, very perceptive, we all need a wake up call now and again.

    All the best,

    Mick