ARA searches properties in Manchester

The Sunday Times reported the inquiry, by the Criminal Assets Bureau, into a property portfolio in Manchester, at the start of the week, pointing out that there was likely to be an absence of a paper trail back to the suspected target of the inquiry, Thomas [Slab] Murphy – who lost a libel case against the Sunday Times in 1998 after The Sunday Times revealed his involvement in IRA bombing campaigns in Britain. Today the BBC are reporting that raids have taken place in Manchester connected to that inquiry. The Assets Recovery Agency have released a short statement on their inquiry into a property portfolio they estimate is worth £30million.

The ARA statement –

The Assets Recovery Agency has conducted a number of searches in the Manchester area in connection with a property portfolio that has been acquired over a period of time and which is believed to be worth in the region of £30 million. The searches were carried out on domestic and business properties associated with two Manchester-based businessmen. The Agency has so far identified approximately 250 properties held by both persons and a number of property management companies. The equity in the properties appears to be in the region of £9 million.

The operation came about following a successful application to the High Court in London for search and seizure warrants and a disclosure order. During the searches, the Agency seized large amounts of documentation

The Agency has also served disclosure notices permitting compulsory questioning by financial investigators and the handover of legal and other documentation.

At this stage no further comment can be made on this case.

  • slug

    “Investigators believe the IRA has a cash operation bigger than the mafia’s.”

    Yikes.

  • victor1

    And the IRA are responsible for global warming.

  • fair_deal

    I take it the property hasn’t been seized (yet?) simply the documentation relating to it?

    slug

    The mafia have been harving hard times for a while 😉

  • Cahal

    Serious question from a non home owner:

    Can someone explain the discrepancy between the “Properties worth £30m” and “The equity in the properties appears to be in the region of £9m” statements in the bbc report.

  • PeterBrown

    Equity is a home’s net worth after the mortgage is taken off (normally a lawyer would charge by the minute or even second for that but this ones on the house).

  • PeterBrown

    Hence the IRA must have a £21m mortgage – I know how they must feel!

  • Mickhall

    Hence the IRA must have a £21m mortgage – I know how they must feel!

    Posted by: PeterBrown

    ounch!

    😉

  • CarefulNowDownWithThatSortaThing

    “Investigators believe the IRA has a cash operation bigger than the mafia’s.”

    I could well believe it!

    From File on 4 15/3/05

    “This bureau was an office, 10’x10’. It was really
    situated there at the time to cover passing trade from people moving from north to south,
    you know, people going down for a weekend break, maybe want to change a couple of
    hundred pounds, and you’d never really see any cars outside the bureau. The turnover for
    that bureau in the two and a half year period was over a quarter of a billion. So something
    wasn’t right.”

  • fair_deal

    Are any of the mortgages with the Northern Bank?

    😉

  • Cahal

    Thanks…no idea about these things.

  • Gerry Lvs Castro

    Hmmmmmmm — this is all looking rather sinister — Gerry & Martin are never done subsidising British airlines with their constant shuttling to London & back, then they agree to administer British rule in Ireland and accept British salaries — now we hear that the big cheese in the provos may have been helping to boost the English property market……

  • slug

    For whom was all this IRA investment intended to benefit? Sinn Fein?

  • Henry94

    slug

    For whom was all this IRA investment intended to benefit? Sinn Fein?

    I don’t think we are in a position to conclude that there was any IRA investment. This investigation appears to be at an early stage.

    I wouldn’t rule out the possibility that this is just optics for the unionists and that nothing in terms of charges or asset seizures will actually come of it.

    Let’s wait and see.

  • Dick Doggins

    Think they`ve more chance of finding Shergar buried in Gerrys garden beneath the dodgy Northern Bank notes than proving anything through this investigation.

    Sure doesn`t everyone know that SF where never involved in any form of criminality, now the IRA, well they`ve gone away at a quite convenient time, don`t you think???

    Anyone looking a holiday in Cuba!

  • victor1

    “Are any of the mortgages with the Northern Bank?”

    What was that about repetition Fairy son? the kettle and the pot eh 🙂

  • victor1

    I heard a wee whisper that Slabs had a big bet with William Hill on IRA decommisioning, maybe he’s just invested the winnings 🙂

  • fair_deal

    Victor1

    1. My tag on here is fair_deal. Perhaps you should read the commenting policy page or the recent “You are a guest of Slugger, behave!” Childish quasi homophobic nameplaying I don’t think fits with either.
    2. It was offered as a joke.
    3. The suspicion of IRA responsibility for the Northern Bank robbery is based on the public comments by the PSNI, Garda Siochanna, the government, Irish government and the IMC.
    4. If you are on this thread and you comment about repetition it means you are using the site and have read my comments and repeated questions on the “Former UDA leader murdered” thread.

    You have deliberately refused/repeatedly failed to answer thus I will assume you have no answers and your claims of a Special Branch conspiracy are fantasy.

  • victor1

    What has happened in Manchester in respect of the IRA is rumour, speculation, assumption….but not one shred of evidence, as with the Northern Bank as with the Castlereagh break in, as with all the other fantasy tales seems if enough mud is slung the No brigade make plenty of it stick, just so we stay in the quagmire of instability. Republicans make moves to improve the situation up pop the seceurocrats with another spoof!

  • jocky

    Victor1, who exaclty are the seceurocrats?

    The ARA that have been seizing those good ole Loyalist terroist assetts, or are they only seceurocrats now that are going after poor malligned Mr Murphy who is merely a simple a simple County Louth farmer.

    Do you expect police to present all the evidence to the press prior to the trial? How do you know theres not one shred of evidence?

  • Shore Road Resident

    That’s why they’re looking for the evidence, victor1. That’s how it works. Or would you prefer to see this dealt with through Community Restorative Justice?

  • victor1

    I expect the police to produce evidence end of story,,,to date in the other cases mentioned they have produced not one shred of evidence, remeber the arrests after the Castlereagh breakin, is that case consigned to history, I have no problem with the ARA going after anyone be it Slabs or Doris or Johnny or whoever but surely going after anyone must be in keeping with justice, take this case Murphys name has been released to the press by whom? why? and without evidence to back up the claims, these raids tooke place today when Sinn Fein were in London coincidence ? mud slinging ? I know which I feel to be the case!

    Do you expect police to present all the evidence to the press prior to the trial?

    Do the police point the finger at suspects before they get the evidence ?

    How do you know theres not one shred of evidence?

    Wouldn’t there be arrests it there was evidence of a crime?

  • George

    Victor1,
    you’re missing the point of the ARA.

    It is not for them to give evidence that the money is bent but for the person to show it’s clean.

    My understanding is that they are involved in civil litigation, not criminal prosecution, which will result in raising a tax demand where no source of income has been identified.

    In other words, totally different from the Northern Job and other crimes.

  • spirit-level

    victor1
    I know this is damaging to republicanism. But you have to admit the noises on criminality and policing from Sinn Fein are ambiguous to say the least.
    You can’t run with the hare
    and hunt with the hound.

  • fair_deal

    Victor1

    1. Evidence had to be presented to the court for the search and seizure oreders to be granted in respect of these properties.
    2. The Northern Bank is an ongoing criminal investigation so information is not yet for public release. Bertie Ahern has blamed the IRA. Would Gerry Adams who held a number of private talks with Bertie Ahern since January deal with a fantasist?
    3. With Stormontgate intelligence information on hundreds of individuals was uncovered. Relocations cost government £30m pounds. Fact not fantasy.
    4. This article gives a rundown on the evidence that has led the IRA to be suspected of the Castlereagh break-in
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/
    1939219.stm
    5. Three republicans were caught in Colombia on illegal passports and were convicted on appeal of terrorist crimes. Fact not fantasy.

    Those out of control securocrats – like the ones who negotiated the IRA cease-fire with Martin McGuinness?

  • fair_deal

    Wouldn’t there be arrests it there was evidence of a crime?

    There were arrests in the Florida gunrunning, Colombia, Stormontgate and there is an arrest warrant out for the Castlereagh break-in. Plus a number of raids on homes and people questioned.

  • slug

    Henry

    The ARA story does seem to have been timed well.

    (As was the IRA decommissioning event – a day before Tony B’s conference speech.)

  • Henry94

    Arrests are one thing and convictions are another. In the Stormontgate police coup scandal the arrests were in a blaze of publicity but later the charges were quitely dropped bit by bit.

    In the Castllereagh case there is no attempt to extradite the claimed suspect.

    The Colombia Three were cleared of the serious charges with no real evidence presented against them. That was in open court. The subsequent farce that convicted them was not a level of justice that I would consider respectable or acceptable.

    The reality of no evidence remains.

    We have already discussed the Northern Bank at length. So far no pony.

    The latest raids may excite the excitable but the sensible thing to do will be to wait and see what happens. On past form I predict that nothing will come of it.

  • fair_deal

    Question for the legal eagles, if you want someone for questioning can you get them extraditied?

    Henry94

    Whatever your views of the colombian justice system the convictions stand. They also have an appeal open to them in Colombia. The Colombian system found them innocent once it could do so again.

    And the Florida gun-running?

  • SlugFest

    Victor1 and Henry94,

    Funny you should both mention Castlereagh … a bit off the subject of the blog, but i thought you’d both be interested:

    Today’s issue of the Irish Echo has an article on ‘Larry the Chef’ — apparently his custody battle for his son is now in court.

    Don’t think a direct link would work here, so just go to irishecho.com and plug in his last name in the ‘search’ option.

  • Setanta

    Is’nt it strange how the ARA do this raid when there was a meeting between Sein Fein and the British Admin.
    When are the secrocrats going to learn. Do people want to solve this problem or are they looking for stalemate for another 200 years.
    Their Choice !

  • fair_deal

    There have also been a number of convictions in the RoI in respect of the IRA.

    John Hude O’Hagan was convicted of intelligence gathering in September 2004. Mr O’Hagan was a PIRA prisoner released under the terms of the GFA.

  • Henry94

    fair_deal

    Whatever your views of the colombian justice system the convictions stand.

    It is open to Colombia to seek their extradition. Let the Irish courts rule on the fairness of the trial. I’d settle for that.

    And the Florida gun-running?

    I have never made any comment about it. Why are you asking me?

  • fair_deal

    Henry94

    I ask about the Florida gunrunning as it was among the list on the post you responded too. You responded to what I said about the other incidents but not that one. Thus I raised it again.

    It is an example of arrests and convictions as with Mr Hagan’s conviction.

  • Henry94

    fair_deal

    I reserve the right to respond to the parts of a post that interest me. I’m unfamiliar with the Florida case and thus have no issue to raise in relation to it. As a general point I would be quite happy with the standards of the US justice system.

  • fair_deal

    Henry94

    “I reserve the right to respond to the parts of a post that interest me. I’m unfamiliar with the Florida case”

    I found the first omission curious hence I asked again. Your unfamiliarity I find curious too considering your knowledge of the other incidents.

    Below are some links for your information so you will be able to discuss the case in future (if you so choose).
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/
    881068.stm
    http://members.freespeech.org/irishpows/NEWS/
    GFA_ENFORCERS/vigilante_guns_florida.htm

    Fair enough on the US justice system.

  • victor1

    Fairdeal any links on the following:
    Michael Green
    Craig McCausland
    Stephen Paul
    Jameson Lockhart
    Brian Stewart
    Jim Gray
    All murdered by Loyalists while on ceasefire!We can all throw stones, some from the past and some “Doris Gray” the present.

  • Keith M

    The 1996 bomb, Thomas “Slab” Murphy, Johnny Adair and Roy Keane, is there no end to the misery the Irish have reeked on Greater Manchester?

  • tra g

    victor1

    The orange order leadership in Belfast has clearly shown its support for the loyalist paramilitary organisations.

    Some of those named above were murdered by the uvf, an organisation which is closely linked to many within the orange order.

    One only has to listen to the comments of Billy Mawhinney on Tuesday night to get an an understanding of the relationship.

    He said that the loyalist paramilitaries are an integral part of OUR community and are the protectors of OUR community.

    Mawhinney was interviewed (with sash) on the Spotlight programme.

    He is just the latest orange order leader to publicly comment on the cosy relationship.

  • victor1

    tra g : Along with Diane Dodds, Peter Robinson Ian Paisly and the merry band of red berets, Willie the singing mp and his close association with the LVF, David McNarry and his meetings with the UPRG consisting of members of the UVF/UDA. The list is endless, but it doesn’t matter because Republicans are the real bad guys, FAIRY tales abound in Loyalist lou lou land though the end of the book is in sight, justice and equality being the final chapter. I noticed the Brits have decided not to charge the Orange order RATES from next year, now thats justice for ya, cause mayhem throughout the North of Irleland 3 months of the year and rather be held accountable be rewarded, the sooner we free ourselves of British interference the better all on this Island will be.

  • Niall

    This thread has run the gamut (sic) from Shergar to the present real estate investigations and they seem to have been raised by victor1, fair-deal and Henry94 as proof and/or lack thereof of the RM’s involvement in crimes etc since the ceasefire. Can I ask that someone add to my following list of contraveries / issues which the RM might say haven’t been proven against them but are being widely reported in the press as signs of duplicity……

    Shergar
    poor malligned Mr Murphy who is merely a simple a simple County Louth farmer
    St Patrick’s day Castlereagh break-in and ‘Larry the Chef’
    Colombia 3 bird-watchers
    Northern Bank and burning bank notes in Cork
    Florida gunrunning
    Stormontgate – don’t hang out near the photocopier

    Let’s keep it concise and just the head-lines rather than the full-blown story. Appreciated.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Hence the IRA must have a £21m mortgage – I know how they must feel!

    Actually it’s slightly more than that – but you’re not far off.

  • fair_deal

    Victor1

    1. Henry said he was unaware of a particualr incident so I provided the relevant links.Its called courtesy to a fellow slugger contributor.
    2. Go to the BBC website enter the names in the search engine and you will find relevant links on those murders.
    3. Loyalist crime cancels out republican crime how exactly?
    4. I notice you still haven’t answered the questions I asked you on the ‘Former UDA leader murdered thread’. I hope you don’t run away on this thread too.

  • stu

    Victor

    Sarcasm aside, the Republicans are the bad guys here. Just like the Philip Johnson case, where Loyalists were the bad guys, criminality is bringing down paramiliaries. Long may it continue. I would wager the reason for the lack of further comment is that the ASA, quite correctly, anticipated the dreaded securocrat allegations being fired from the RM and its advocates, as we’ve seen the evidence of in the thread regarding the BBC coverage of this.

    As regards your fencing with fair_deal, he answers your questions, provides references and you don’t deign to answer questions that you don’t want to. Fair enough. I could point out how that undermines your credibility, but your mud-slinging did that for you already. The securocrats didn’t just pop up with another spoof. The ARA had evidence; no matter what you might think of Whitehall they don’t throw resources around the mainland just to make Republicans look dirty, the same with the spy ring at Stormont.

    It seems that there is a perception from several posters here that somehow a dark force is chanelling the PSNI to disrupt the peace process. This shadowy entity decided to-or-amongst itself that it wanted the disbandment of Stormont, just for the craic, or that maybe it didn’t want (and I’ve heard this on Slugger recently) ‘fenians in government’. It then fabricated a paper trail, a political employee at a photocopier, presented the (completely fabricated) evidence to the Secretary of State, unless he was in on it too, who, knowing the political implications, prorogued the Assembly, either unknowingly or for his own dark motives.

    I know someone involved in the Stormont raids, and if I’m prepared to take the word of two clergymen over IRA guns, I’m definitely willing to take his on this. But then, I’m a prod, so I must be living in lou lou land.

  • victor1

    1. Henry said he was unaware of a particualr incident so I provided the relevant links.Its called courtesy to a fellow slugger contributor.

    I salute your courtesy and am sure Henry is much better informed with respect to it!

    2. Go to the BBC website enter the names in the search engine and you will find relevant links on those murders.

    What was that about providing links out of courtesy to a fellow slugger contibuter ?

    3. Loyalist crime cancels out republican crime how exactly?

    Not at all, CRIME is wrong no matter where it emanates from.

    4. I notice you still haven’t answered the questions I asked you on the ‘Former UDA leader murdered thread’. I hope you don’t run away on this thread too.

    The fact I choose not to answer querys from you are no indication or slight on my ability to do so,as for running away I think you’ll find I haven’t gone away ya know 😉

    Stu:

    It seems that there is a perception from several posters here that somehow a dark force is chanelling the PSNI to disrupt the peace process.

    In my opinion, the dark force has been channeling police operations in Ireland for many many years; it is neither fantasy nor fallacy to suggest they are involved in this case.

    I would wager the reason for the lack of further comment is that the ASA, quite correctly, anticipated the dreaded securocrat allegations being fired from the RM and its advocates

    If the ARA were so concerned about securocrat allegations, why then did they make these raids on the very day Sinn Fein were back at Westminster to meet the British Prime Minister, coincidence? or manipulation I suggest the latter!

    As for my so called fencing with fair deal, I respond as I see fit in an honest and open way, my credibility will be judged by those who read what I write, I cannot and would not wish to claim always to be right, I state my opinions and base them on my experiences if I get it wrong I am prepared to accept that without reservation. As for the Prod and lou lou land wrong it was Loyalist lou lou land religion had nothing to do with it! I too know someone in the Stormount raids and I am prepared to believe his account that Securocrats were at thier work in a highly public and provactive manner!

  • Henry94

    fair_deal

    Thanks for the links. The second one is interesting in that it speculates about arrests that were made it Cork and gives the impression that those arrested had some guns sent from Florida.

    So I wonder did a subsequent court case confirm the link. I’m unaware of any such case. Maybe you have information about that.

    In general I want to point out to you that it is not my position that the IRA are not responsible for anything at all and it is perfectly believable to me that they ran guns from Florida.

    They may even have robbed the Northern Bank but I would need more evidence than the say-so of the cops.

    As for the current allegations I have no problem at all with the ARA confiscating ill-gotten gains from any source. If the funds are linked to republicans then I would need to see that link established.

    Allegations be they from the media political parties or the police are not evidence.

    I think that such a position is reasonable as I think it is reasonable to feel no confidence in the justice system in Colombia. Amnesty International have extensive concerns about that system.

    I see on the other sides of some of these arguments a willingness to believe anything once it damages Sinn Fein.

  • victor1

    In respect to the current furore surrounding the raids in Manchester, it is notable that the ARA did not name Mr Murphy or the IRA in thier statements surrounding thier investigations, these soundbytes to the media came in private briefings from elements within that organization with a history of unfounded allegations!

  • fair_deal

    henry94

    Fair enough. I would have always had a healthy scepticism of the police as well, especially having dealt with them down through the years and seen them in action. However, I find they tell the truth on the big things, its more the little things they’ll completely mess you about with.

    Victor1

    “What was that about providing links out of courtesy to a fellow slugger contibuter ?”

    1. You listed the names of the victims and you did not say you were ignorant of what happened to them. If fact you post implied you knew what happened to them as you already knew they had been murdered by loyalists.
    2. No one has been charged with those murders as far as I am aware. The blame was placed on loyalists by the PSNI. Why is the PSNI’s word good enough for you on these occassions?

    “The fact I choose not to answer querys from you are no indication or slight on my ability to do so,as for running away I think you’ll find I haven’t gone away ya know ;-)”

    1. From your posts here it is clear you have read the thread. Since you were asked a series of questions you have not posted or offered answers on that thread. You have ran away from that thread.
    2. If you are so able why not answer them?

    “private briefings from elements within that organization with a history of unfounded allegations”

    Which of the ARA’s allegations have been discovered to be unfounded?

  • fair_deal

    Victor1

    I notice you haven’t been around the site too much today but when you get a chance I’d appreciate your responses to my 9:46

  • fair_deal

    henry

    A google gets no coverage of the trial just info on their conviction

    http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexaminer/2002/10/31/
    story359212110.asp

  • victor1

    I notice you haven’t been around the site too much today but when you get a chance I’d appreciate your responses to my 9:46

    See I knew we were becoming friends, your even looking out for me now, I’m all chuffed fair_deal I didn’t think you cared.
    “Which of the ARA’s allegations have been discovered to be unfounded?”
    They haven’t made any as far as I’m aware, only private mutterings to selected Journalists! which to date are totally unfounded!

    as for this

    1. From your posts here it is clear you have read the thread. Since you were asked a series of questions you have not posted or offered answers on that thread. You have ran away from that thread.
    2. If you are so able why not answer them?

    I have already explained that here….“The fact I choose not to answer querys from you are no indication or slight on my ability to do so,as for running away I think you’ll find I haven’t gone away ya know ;-)” you really should desist in repeating yourself it does nothing but take up bandwidth without adding to the debate! If you have a query feel I should respond to then I will, If I don’t it’s because I feel its not worthy of a response.
    By the way did you read the ARAs statement…here’s the link..
    http://www.gnn.gov.uk/Content/Detail.asp?ReleaseID=172236&NewsAreaID=2
    Not once did it mention the IRA nor Mr Murphy nor for that matter anyone else Republican or otherwise, for all we know it could turn out to be a DUP money laundering scheme, watch this space 🙂

  • fair_deal

    Victor1

    I see you are back to ignoring questions again and missing the point of others.

    The first question I asked in my 9.46 was this:
    2. No one has been charged with those murders as far as I am aware. The blame was placed on loyalists by the PSNI. Why is the PSNI’s word good enough for you on these occassions?

    To which you replied:

    In your 9.15 you claimed the ARA had a bad track record
    “with a history of unfounded allegations!”

    The ‘which’ in the question referred to the ‘history of unfounded allegations’. You offer no ‘history of unfounded allegations’ just a statement of belief that the present ones are unfounded. So your claim of a ‘history of unfounded allegations’ is unsubstantitated (a habit you seem to be developing) and most likely false.

    As to your running away from the ‘Former UDA leader murdered’ thread if you offer no evidence to substantiate or justify a claim YOU make then it is a demonstration of inability or that your claims are false.

    As for ‘worthy’ should i tug my forelock in the hope of you deigning me with some answers?

  • victor1

    Tug away fair till your hearts content.

    In your 9.15 you claimed the ARA had a bad track record
    “with a history of unfounded allegations!”

    A little selective here as You left out an important part

    “elements within that organization with a history of unfounded allegations”
    Stormontgate, Castlereagh, Northern Bank,being a few of the most recent high profile UNFOUNDED ALLEGATIONS those elements would be RUC Special Branch who have lied repeatedly since thier inception. This is getting a little cosy now Fair we are becoming familiar maybe we could meet for a pint or two buddy.

  • derek

    Any chance of a thread regarding the suspension of senior orangeman Billy Mawhinney from his job at the assembly.

    He was suspended following an interview with spotlight on Tuesday night when he openly stated his support for loyalist terrorism.

    Surely this is relevant to the present situation

  • fair_deal

    Victor1

    A poor attempt at shifting the goalposts. The organisation talked about in that paragraph was the ARA not special branch. There is no mention of special branch in that post or any of your other posts on this thread. Thus you cannot produce any evidence of unfounded allegations by the ARA.

    You made a number of claims about Special Branch on the Former UDA leader murdered thread but when asked for evidence you ran away. Maybe you think everyone else throws about unfounded allegations because that is how you operate.

    Also Slab Murphy’s involvlement in the IRA was accepted in a civil case in the RoI, a case he took. Are you alleging a Special Branch plot against the RoI justice system?

    In a previous post you listed a number of crimes attributed to Loyalists by guess who the PSNI and in particular Special Branch. So for the third time I ask (tug forelock, avert eyes):

    No one has been charged with those murders as far as I am aware. The blame was placed on loyalists by the PSNI. Why is the PSNI’s word good enough for you on these occassions?

    (Why do I think I hear footsteps disappearing off into the distance?)

  • gerry

    Outragous remarks by Billy Mawhinney, have just read them in this mornings paper.

    Does Billy double up as a Brigadeer when he takes his sash off.

    Will the orange order show Billy the door ?

  • victor1

    No one has been charged with those murders as far as I am aware. The blame was placed on loyalists by the PSNI. Why is the PSNI’s word good enough for you on these occassions?
    Exactly no one charged, and why ? to coin a phrase “Internal Housekeeping” by whom ? I would suggest agents of the crown, controlled by whom,,,,Special Branch, why to keep thier agents in control see fair just like a jigsaw all the pieces fit;-)

    A poor attempt at shifting the goalposts. The organisation talked about in that paragraph was the ARA not special branch.
    Not an attempt at all fair you just ommited the ELEMENTS part of my comment to suit yourself, those ELEMENTS I was refering too, were RUC SPECIAL BRANCH
    Did you read the statement from the ARA I did out of courtesy provide a link, strange there is no comment at all about Republicans of any ilk, have a wee read at it you’ll see for yourself. And the footsteps you thought you heard….could well have meen me as I was heading out to watch IRELAND win thier world cup qualifier. What about that pint mucker do ya fancy it ?

  • fair_deal

    If republicans are blamed but not charged it is because they are innocent. If loyalists are blamed but not charged it is becuase they are protected. LMAO.

  • victor1

    You may well have something there Fair m8, I never looked at it that way, but now you mention it things are a lot clearer;-)
    Just in case!