The Whiterock parade is underway against the backdrop of disturbances at the Short Strand where a man was critically injured last night in a sectarian attack. LoveUlster has had a poster discussing a coordinated plan to stretch the PSNI and others discuss the arrival of concerned Loyalists from outside the area (Shankill).
UPDATE: Violence spreads.
A comment from Love Ulster:
Okay one reason why every one doesnt know what time it starts at, is to help with the policing and the protests, when trouble starts around the city today the police will be stretched and will have to go investigate, when prods arrive on the shankill they will find out their info from word-of-mouth because not much can be trusted in these sites, so all in all, cannot wait, lol have a great day,
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WHY was this parade considered necessary? Just asking.
I thinks it’s necessary in order to show baby Jesus how much the OO love him. If they don’t parade or split the peelers open trying He’ll send them all to hell.
Outrageous!
Paisley and his half-wit fellow travellers in the Orange Order now have blood on their hands.
His performance on television on Thursday evening reminded me of one of those Al Quaeda leaders who make risible bombastic speeches on video tape which are then followed ‘funnily enough’ by some form of terrorist outrage. ” A spark that may ignite a fire that may not be put out” ?!?!?!?
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Nice to see the cops standing by and allowing more scum to bring Belfast to a halt on a Saturday afternoon. Still, I suppose it will give them a chance to meet up and have a chat with their old friends from Garnerville.
Homes have been attacked in the Short Strand
A number of homes have had windows broken and 2 residents taken to hospital suffering from shock
I’m sure we’re all nervous and in fact pissed-off about this latest episode parade Alamo, which simply shouldn’t be happening, but I can’t help feeling a little disturbed by the tabloid-esque enthusiasm with which this evolving story is being reported on this thread.
It seems many people would have found it all a bit dull if today was just to fizzle-out a la Drumcree VIII or whatever it was.
Once again – though I know the money’s not bad – who would be a cop?
Nationalist homes in Ligionel also under attack
I’ve just returned from the bottom of the Grosvenor Road where I was visiting relatives. I watched as 200 loyalists emerged from Sandy Row and headed towards West Belfast with the express intention of starting mayhem.
And start mayhem they did. I watched from the bridge overlooking the end of the Westlink as loyalists, some as old as 50, walked straight up on to the Grosvenor and attacked passers-by. I was standing with an SDLP representative who couldn’t believe what she was seeing and she immediately contacted Foreign Affairs in Dublin to complain.
The police, about as much use as tits on a nun, stood idly by before moving in 15 minutes later to push the loyalists back. The PSNI then proceeded to block off Durham St, directly facing the bottom of Sandy Row, and again did nothing to shift the congregation of knuckle-draggers who had gathered facing the police station.
So a few questions for both the PSNI and unionist parties:
1) Why was this illegal assembly not prevented from progressing up the Grosvenor Road? Why did the PSNI block Durham St (which was largely empty) instead.
2) Why do unionist parties continually support these empty-headed workshy morons, whether in quiet whispers or in the tea-and-Jaffa Cakes surroundings of the loyalist commission, while complaining about alleged IRA activity happening thousands of miles away in Colombia? Jeffrey Donaldson and his odious sidekick Willie Frazer (from FARC – Families Against Roman Catholics) must have felt really at home when they met the top Colombian police and politicans this week. All that talk of shoot-to kill and right-wing pogroms must have brought a tear to their eyes.
Finally, one thing is startling obvious from what I have just described. Loyalists and unionist parties have one aim and one aim only: to provoke a reaction from republicans. This will bring the whole house tumbling down and everyone from the Sandy Row millie with more jewellery than BA Baracus to the landed unionist gentry will be able to say ‘it was themmuns!!’; while the media (with the honorable exception of the Daily Ireland) continue to ignore the facts.
Loyalism is populated by scum. Always has been, always will be. I was left in no doubt of that after witnessing what I did today.
I hope that poor man makes a recovery and the dirty bastards who tried to kill kim are caught. When will these attacks on Catholics stop? Will Paiseley not withdraw his comments or at least shut his mouth in future?
His hands are dripping and it aint ketchup.
Loyalists attack homes close to Distillery st on the peaceline
Stand off between masked loyalists and police (backed up by the army) at bottom of ravenhill road/short strand
An attack on the Short Strand has been described on the BBC as an attack by the residents on ‘demonstrators’.
Can someone with a balaclava on his head be classed as a ‘demonstrator’ ?
The PSNI shows it’s patheticness again. Scarved people blocking a major road should be immediately arrested en masse.
I’m annoyed once more with our unionist politicians, who instead of condemning violence and publicly opposing it’s use, are instead describing it as inevitable, as though they have no opinion on it. I think we can comfortably predict that any move the police might get around to making against the protestors will be described as heavy-handed by at least one unionist politician.
The Orange Order has issued a statement saying, among other things that what they describe as the suppression of their culture would not be allowed to continue “without consequences”.
I wonder what sort of consequences they are talking about. If the consequences it suggests are violent ones, it sounds like the Orange Order is trying to make a case for proscription.
Orange Order supporters (members?) are now petrol bombing the PSNI and British Army.
Why are these filth not arrested immediately? We still have more police per capita than anywhere else in W. Europe. If they need some help im sure the Gardai could and would do a better job.
Gunfire and blast bombs coming from the Orange ranks.
RTE reported that loyalists are firing blast bombs on the West Circular Road, the PSNI have reported several injuries
Shots fired at police lines during rioting (bbc)
So, internet generals, what should the police do?
Fire detested plastic bullets? Live rounds?
I really do think some people are enjoying this and, as it is bound to affect most of us one way or another, that is disturbing.
GavBelfast,
I think the PSNI should fire plastic bullets at the loyalist ‘protesters’, aiming at their heads. If its good enough for Ardoyne, its good for those causing this current trouble.
Thank you Declan. Do you approve of them being fired generally, in a controlled manner in serious situations, regardless of who is doing the rioting?
(FWIW, I do – they are a necessary weapon for the police here.)
Well Gav, let’s put it this way: no amount of protesting from nationalists have managed to get rid of plastic bullets, so if they’re going to be used, let them be used ‘impartially’, not just on taigs.
Can’t wait to hear the orange order saying that the violence was nothing to do with them
Declan, given that other police forces have been quite candid in saying that they would have used REAL bullets if confrnted with the sort of situations that have been encountered here, it’s hard to see that continuing campaigns against the use of plastic bullets are anything other than another stick to try to beat the PSNI with.
In situations where life and limb are being risked or challenged, then they should be allowed to be used.
It would be great if they were not needed and if the polkice could be routinely unarmed, too, but that’s not likely here for a long time.
Wes,
Of course the Orange Order will wash its hands of the trouble and not seek to cool things until it gets TOO hot. That’s the way here – there are many cut of the same cloth.
“So, internet generals, what should the police do?”
Arrest people who participate in illegal blockades of roads.
Cahal, yes, that’s what should happen – whoever does it and whenever its done.
That’s being consistent and, also, lays the marker.
Well done Mark or whoever at HQ’s organising the minions’ today, “Brian”,”Frank”,”Harry” and “Tony” did you proud with their prompt reporting.
GavBelfast,
Agree with you 100%, but the PSNI are being prevented from doing their job by their political masters. In order to preserve a “peace process” which has become a sick joke, the normal rules of policing have been thrown out the window.
Fire the plastic bullets and if that doesn’t clear the scum of whatever denomination are rioting this week, then I would be tempted to bring in the live rounds.
Comrade Stalin,
You’re the only other person(apart from Gav) on this thread that doesn’t seem to be secretly enjoying what’s developing. You’ve also hit it bang on the head. The Unionist politicians are developing their skills of contextualising violence from their community, not quite as good as the Shinners yet, but they’re getting there.
Well done Mark or whoever at HQ’s organising the minions’ today, “Brian”,”Frank”,”Harry” and “Tony” did you proud with their prompt reporting.
GavBelfast,
Agree with you 100%, but the PSNI are being prevented from doing their job by their political masters. In order to preserve a “peace process” which has become a sick joke, the normal rules of policing have been thrown out the window.
Fire the plastic bullets and if that doesn’t clear the scum of whatever denomination are rioting this week, then I would be tempted to bring in the live rounds.
Comrade Stalin,
You’re the only other person(apart from Gav) on this thread that doesn’t seem to be secretly enjoying what’s developing. You’ve also hit it bang on the head. The Unionist politicians are developing their skills of contextualising violence from their community, not quite as good as the Shinners yet, but they’re getting there.
Of course, there is one new difficulty for the “political masters” as you’ve put it, Paul.
The firing of loyalist weapons at the police can, in no way, be regarded as ‘internal housekeeping’.
As for the reporters (above) on the spot, well, yes, impressive use of wireless and clearly exceptionally reportable lap-tops there by a convenient press corps, but I think I’ll rely on BBC, RTE, PA and Reuters if it’s all the same, as I’m sure will casual lookers-in with an ounce of wit.
Why not let them walk down a road, everyone else does every day of the week .
Why not let them walk down a road, everyone else does every day of the week .
I don’t think it’s “political masters”. I don’t think the PSNI have been explicitly directed to avoid arresting people.
Instead, I think the PSNI probably lack the courage to make arrests which may have political implications. To a certain extent this is unsurprising. For any given arrest in these circumstances, there will be someone who will believe the police will have acted unfairly.
I’m not in the least surprised to hear the Orange Order defending law-breaking. A chap from the OO has just come on to defend the blocking of roads by scarved men as “.. frustration of Protestant people as to what they can do to have their ordinary voice heard”. When the institutions and politicians take the side of the law-breakers, the police are essentially paralyzed.
Lets do the WALK and stop the TALK
I have just tried to drive along the Albertbridge road.
Was told by a policeman that there is major rioting between loyalists and the police
I know it’s a minor issue in the whole scheme of things, but I suspect ‘Proms in the Park’ from Belfast will not be going ahead?
That will be a major disappointment a lot of people, especially in a week where there was a feel-good mood for a while, and more evidence of grossly stubborn and malevolent people spoiling it for all of the rest of us.
I’d like to point out that the 6.58PM posting was not from me.
Paul/GavBelfast:
I can’t speak for anyone else on this thread, but coming face to face with 200 loyalists with nothing else on their minds but mindless violence is not my idea of ‘enjoying myself’. Believe what is reported in the media if you wish, but don’t discount my version of events (which, as I said earlier, was also witnessed by an elected SDLP representative) just because you don’t like what I’m saying.
more like ‘bombs in the park’
Disgraceful stuff. Let’s not forget the Orange Order pledged its full support to the Love Ulster campaign.
They have alot to answer for.
I live on the Springfield Rd just above the junction with the Grosvenor and what was allowed to happen there today is nothing short of disgraceful. Absolutely shameful.
Shame on the PSNI. Shame on the DUP. Shame on the UUP. Shame on the OO. Shame on Hain et al. Shame on all their apologists who will undoubtedly jump me on this thread.
This place is a disgrace. Yet again, a bunch of triumphalist wankers hold an entire community(ies) to ransom and kick the shite out of them for the non-existant ‘right to march’.
March up and down where you are wanted 24/7 and we just won’t give a flying fiddler’s, but don’t bring all this shite to our doors again and again and again.
I’m over from America — apartment right on the Albert Bridge. Just heard a big boom … never hired plastic bullets being fired – perhaps that was it.
This may sound like a silly question, but i have to ask: would it be all that unsafe in city centre tonight?
Mate, you’d need your head read to go out in this place tonight.
The Proms in the park are going ahead (City Hall), it’s on now. The BBC think it’s safe.
I’m amazed but good for them and good luck for all concerned if it’s going ahead. I wouldn’t dream of going into the city this evening, but then there’s a lot of things a lot of us wouldn’t dream of doing – it’s a shame a sizeable minority don’t opt-out of the nefarious things they get upto.
Declan, I wasn’t referring to you, that’s why I wanted to discuss things with you earlier. I’m glad you were/are safe.
But I simply don’t believe a lot of the preceding reports, they seemed convenient. Maybe I’m wrong, but I’ll rely on a breadth of traditional but generally reliable sources. Even if they are not written with malicious intent, ‘Chinese whispers’, the internet and a volatile enviroment are hardly a helpful combination.
Where are yesterday’s downpours when we need them?
Well, there goes the feelgood factor after the match on Wdnesday. Northern Ireland isn’t permitted to have a smile on it’s face by these selfish Loyalist fuckers….and unfortunately the gullible goons from the OO and those Unionist parties who’ll stand with them as the violence goes on.
Who the Hell are they Loyal to?…themselves and no-one else. They care not a fucking jot about the ordinary decent citizen of our country. Just themselves.
Pathetic.
GavBelfast, thank you for your kind comments.
Iluvni, I couldn’t agree with you more.
excuse the language please!
Never mind bruising from rubber bullets, badges of honour for these meatheads.
We need picture evidence, arrests, and jailings.
Digital pictures are free once the NIO buy the kit. Every riot cop should have a camera on his chest, to show the antics our political class excuse.
Offering a reward for identification of pics of these louts on the internet might move things on.
Crimestoppers has some guff but no pics, so maybe PSNI share the judiciary’s quaint yet systemic indulgence of offenders who attack our safety, rights, and freedoms.
We clearly need rioting and cars burning in Cultra if we are to make progress on this. Only joking.
I’m not warning that there will be violence in Cultra you understand, as expressing support or sympathy for violent political coercion and terror may now be illegal under UK law.
iluvni, I was thinking the same in relation to the smile and spring in the step that an awful lot of people of all kinds following the good news story from Wednesday.
And now this. Evil, mindless and pathetic.
I don’t know what they are loyal to, but it is alien to any outlook I have and to any modern concept of Britishness.
Who’s going to get these goons and those orchestrating them off our streets, or are we, for example, relying on a quiet word the next time Martin McAleese has a golf day?
Marty may have the ear of Jackie McDonald
The uvf however seemed to be playing the lead role today
yes, I wonder if Jackie would welcome ‘Mary’ to Belfast tonight for a chat and a kiss on the cheek.
Re-open the Maze, throw them all back in….
2 benefits: we get our heads showered from them and their troublemaking and the Arsehole of Nowhere Stadium won’t be built.
:o)
When you have the likes of Ian Paisley saying there’ll be trouble like never before, using language like “igniting” and “sparks”….. that is a clear green light to the foot-soldiers to go and riot. No other interpretation is possible. The sort of language Hitler used to get the Germans to attack the Jews. Beneath contempt. I feel desparately sorry for the good people of norn iron, who have to endure this sort of crap each summer.
I wonder if there’s enough evidence to have him arrested on grounds of incitement to racial/religious hatred?
I wasn’t distinguishing between “good” and “bad”, friends of the Aras or not, etc.
You get the point, I’m sure.
Aquifer: those seem like good practical points, and I can’t disagree with the Cultra remarks. I’ve often thought judges and others in that set needed to experience crime and lawlessness to take it seriously.
spirit-level,
Well said.
Nice to see the cops standing by and allowing more scum to bring Belfast to a halt on a Saturday afternoon. Still, I suppose it will give them a chance to meet up and have a chat with their old friends from Garnerville.
Homes have been attacked in the Short Strand
A number of homes have had windows broken and 2 residents taken to hospital suffering from shock
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I am in town and amazed to see queues at the bars and restaurants and the proms going ahead and the water cannon weaving their way through the traffic.
Speaking to a friend in Whiteabbey, loyalists have cut off Mount Vernon, Rathcoole and Monkstown and they are confronting the police in those areas. Apparently as I type the trouble there is worsening.
Clearly the loyalists are staging some sort of orchestrated and co-ordinated push. This will now be the real test of our police service, and our politicians who claim to be opposed to non-democratic means. I hope this situation comes off the boil.
Almost 40 years ago Catholics marched for their “civil rights”, at times defying the police and ended up lighting the spark for decades of terror. Today it’s Protestants, let us all hope that lessons have been learnt in the intervening years.
I’ve just returned from the bottom of the Grosvenor Road where I was visiting relatives. I watched as 200 loyalists emerged from Sandy Row and headed towards West Belfast with the express intention of starting mayhem.
And start mayhem they did. I watched from the bridge overlooking the end of the Westlink as loyalists, some as old as 50, walked straight up on to the Grosvenor and attacked passers-by. I was standing with an SDLP representative who couldn’t believe what she was seeing and she immediately contacted Foreign Affairs in Dublin to complain.
The police, about as much use as tits on a nun, stood idly by before moving in 15 minutes later to push the loyalists back. The PSNI then proceeded to block off Durham St, directly facing the bottom of Sandy Row, and again did nothing to shift the congregation of knuckle-draggers who had gathered facing the police station.
So a few questions for both the PSNI and unionist parties:
1) Why was this illegal assembly not prevented from progressing up the Grosvenor Road? Why did the PSNI block Durham St (which was largely empty) instead.
2) Why do unionist parties continually support these empty-headed workshy morons, whether in quiet whispers or in the tea-and-Jaffa Cakes surroundings of the loyalist commission, while complaining about alleged IRA activity happening thousands of miles away in Colombia? Jeffrey Donaldson and his odious sidekick Willie Frazer (from FARC – Families Against Roman Catholics) must have felt really at home when they met the top Colombian police and politicans this week. All that talk of shoot-to kill and right-wing pogroms must have brought a tear to their eyes.
Finally, one thing is startling obvious from what I have just described. Loyalists and unionist parties have one aim and one aim only: to provoke a reaction from republicans. This will bring the whole house tumbling down and everyone from the Sandy Row millie with more jewellery than BA Baracus to the landed unionist gentry will be able to say ‘it was themmuns!!’; while the media (with the honorable exception of the Daily Ireland) continue to ignore the facts.
Loyalism is populated by scum. Always has been, always will be. I was left in no doubt of that after witnessing what I did today.
Spare a thought for the young Catholic man critically injured after being attacked on the Albertbridge Road last night by a ten strong mob
………anyone else hear or see a plane with its engines on fire flying low over Belfast this evening?
I hope that poor man makes a recovery and the dirty bastards who tried to kill kim are caught. When will these attacks on Catholics stop? Will Paiseley not withdraw his comments or at least shut his mouth in future?
His hands are dripping and it aint ketchup.
Malachin,
You have a generation who weren’t around to recall just how dangerous it is, especially after dark, when Loyalists are angry and armed on the streets.
You also have the foolhardy.
Keith, the people rioting today have access to housing, jobs and votes unlike the people who rioted 40 years ago. This isn’t “Protestants”, certainly any Protestants I know think that it is outrageous and they want the perpetrators arrested and prosecuted immediately. The rioters are not even members of the Orange Order, they cannot possibly claim to be religious by blocking roads, wearing scarves and attacking the police.
It’s groups of armed thugs defying the law, being backed up to the hilt by politicians who are supposed to be democrats, while the police look on. In the background, Ian Paisley carefully avoids outright condemnation of any demonstration or violence, talking of serious trouble, sparks and tinderboxes as mentioned earlier on, as though he believes the violence which were are seeing is a consequence of something.
I don’t know what one can do about the Great Blasphemer. Are there people on this thread who actually voted for the DUP/TF (or maybe I mean DUP/UVF)? Are you happy now? Will you vote for this monster again?
Comrade Stalin
“In the background, Ian Paisley carefully avoids outright condemnation of any demonstration or violence…”
Sure. This is what he said:
“At this difficult time, I am appealing to all law abiding people to remain calm.””
And this after he’d roused the lawbreakers to a frenzy of violence. This is how People of the Lie cover themselves.
I’m considering voting for the DUP at the next elections.
I’d love for you to tell me why I should consider other options, and what those options are.
Denny, indeed, Paisley is extremely careful with his words. Condemnations from unionism are always couched in conditional language. For example, Paisley’s plea here is directed at “law-abiding people”, as though law-abiding people are going to be the ones contemplating going out to riot. His line is that the problems have been caused by the Parades Commission – not the rioters.
TAFKABO, your options are between parties which apologize for violence, and parties which oppose it. If you support the rule of law, clearly the DUP and UUP are ruled out.
Keith (and others),
these “loyalists” represent no one but themselves, I am pretty certain that a majority of Protestants would be delighted to see the Army set on them.
What BASIC human rights?
The late 1960s was never an excuse for what came afterwards, there would certainly be no excuse for this leading to a new conflict.
It needs to be nipped in the bud and democratically elected politicians who call themselves democrats simply MUST stand four-square with a robust response from the State and its security forces.
Taf:
You could vote SDLP…
Mark is the youngest political leader, Paisley the oldest. Mark has no criminal record either. Mark had more succes holding the line against SF by retaining Foyle and South Down against SF and his strategy also won him South Belfast.
Mark has never worn a red beret and been involved with people who either blew up installations in the 60s, waved gun licences on a hillside in the 80s or imported thousands of arms in the late 80s either. He hasn’t employed former UVF killers as constitunecy workers either. Nor did he ever share a platform with Dominic McGlinchey, who many would consider the pararllel figure to Billy Wright.
Now…where is my old pic of Peter Robinson shouldering an Armalite on a visit to Israel…
A Loyalist Lexicon:
Loyalist Not a lot but more than the catholics
Unionist Need the Brits to keep the catholics down
Direct Rule Polite prods love to be patronised
Security Forces Prods love overtime, don’t do time
Betrayed Embarrasing at Westminster
Traitor Not in the DUP yet
Antichrist Wee man in a pointy hat
Sodomite Nice wee man
Collusion Van hits tractor in Ballymena
Saved Got a shite job but at least I got jesus
Born Again I want this place to be OK but I’m scared of drugs.
Evangelical All my school mates cleared off to England
Staunch On automatic bigot
True Blue Bile without the yellow streak
Mason Orangeman with two suits
Flags and Emblems Cheap houses here
Paramilitary Gangster operating within a submissive state
Orangeman Owed a living, let the English pay for it
Immigrants Work too hard, kick them across the road to embarrass the lazy fenians
Riot Its a game but don’t get on the video
If you support the rule of law, clearly the DUP and UUP are ruled out.
What rule of law?
Peter Hain saying one day that Sean Kelly is a threat,and then rleasing him the next day and refusing to give the proper information to the parole board.
When those who make the law……etc, etc.
( Yes, I’m taking the piss by using that particular quote ).
I’m probably going to vote for the DUP because unfortunately, my neighbours have decided to vote for Sinn Fein.
That’s the way it is, for every action, an equal and opposite reaction.
Welcome to realpolitik.
The problem is that the people rioting and bombing on our streets tonight have been given the green flag to do so by the orange order,the DUP and the UUP.
Don’t just condemn the rioters, condemn the politicians who lit the touch paper during the week
TAFKABO, so you don’t believe in the rule of law, and you think Sinn Fein need to be faced with an equal and opposite reaction, namely a unionist version of the same thing. I’m glad you cleared that up.
Meanwhile, there are plenty of alternatives for people to vote for. There’s Alliance, the NI Labour Party, socialists, conservatives, even the natural law party. A vote for any one of those is a vote against paramilitarism and tribalism.
“I’m probably going to vote for the DUP because unfortunately, my neighbours have decided to vote for Sinn Fein.”
On a day of sadness, this has to be the saddest thing I’ve heard….
{Careful, Denny, man not ballocks.]
Denny.
Yes, I agree, it is sad.I never would have thought I could even consider voting for the DUP.
Love Ulster?
Loathe Ulster more like.
No, make that Leave Ulster.
There was a chance, in 1998, but a pragmatic UUP/SDLP partnership that MIGHT have flourished was never backed to enable it to flower.
And now look what we have.
All for no bombs ever again in London (and the wider world means we haven’t even managed that).
I am utterely depressed.
“I’m probably going to vote for the DUP because unfortunately, my neighbours have decided to vote for Sinn Fein.”
Tafkabo,
This truly is sad,there have been some,not many, but some occassions when you have appeared almost sensible.
Who would you have voted for if your neighbours had voted for The Rainbow Dream Ticket Party?
Declan,
It’s a bit late to say it, but it wasn’t you I was referring to,I hope you got away safely.
As a Unionist(and Democrat), I don’t really care what methods the authorities use to clear these morons off the street.
But this is yet another test that I’m afraid the PSNI are going to fail.
What about the morons called Paisley and Empey who gave the boys the green light to cause all this trouble.
Democrats, don’t make me laugh
Reg Empey has past experience in this sort of thing.
Reg co-ordinated protests during his vanguard days
I have just watched the national ITN news
British army land rovers burning and soldiers diving for cover from ‘British citizens’
Loyal ????
I live in England, you people are not British, you are not loyal, you are a discrace
Archie:
“You people”???? Assuming you’re talking at, and clearly not to, the ‘loyalists’, perhaps you’d reach your target audience more easily at Love Ulster.
This is a (mostly) unionist site and as such exactly Archie’s target audience.
Lib: Gee, I was under the impression that there was a difference between unionists and loyalists. Guess not.
Slugfest
In that case you haven’t been following the careers of the last two UUP leaders, both ex-Vanguard, nor that of the leader of the DUP, now the largest unionist party.
Jo,
Slightly off-topic, and I’m concious of the nasty goings on….. But in your (well articulated) argument for an SDLP vote, you stated that Durkan hadn’t shared a platform with Dominic McGlinchey. No argument with the fact, but did any of the current Shinner leadership?
Perhaps more importantly, why equate McGlinchey with Billy Wright? Whatever McGlinchey’s faults (there were many) he wasn’t anti-Protestant – remember he came out of hiding to condemn the Darkley massacre – and Wright’s henchman killed a Catholic taxi driver as a ‘present’ to his boss.
As we try and work to understand each other’s positions and live alongside those of differant traditions, let’s not airbrush history.
On a more general note I hope all of Slugger’s posters are well away from danger.
Lib:
I think you took my last post the wrong way … I don’t want to get in to a who’s who and who was who, I simply found Archie’s post quite offensive and, quite frankly, quite British. To not have compassion for the city of Belfast riles me to no end. I’d say more, but the good ol’ moderator would delete it anyway!
Just to clarify
As an Englishman and a British citizen
Unionists try to portray themselves as being the ultimate British subjects
Well your not
We in Britain believe you to be Irish, not British.
How dare you fly our flag at your marches.
Then attack our soldiers, while our soldiers die in Iraq
We don’t recognise you as British, so find a home somewhere else.
Just seen the BBC national news and all those good ‘christian’ members of the loyal orders.
Very dignified indeed.
It is fair to say to the Orange Order:
‘Your boys tried to block the Albert Bridge and isolate the Strand but they battered you Loyalists off the road. You had to ring the police to save your pathetic balaclava clad scum. Be off with you.’
yes, I wonder if Jackie would welcome ‘Mary’ to Belfast tonight for a chat and a kiss on the cheek.
Re-open the Maze, throw them all back in….
2 benefits: we get our heads showered from them and their troublemaking and the Arsehole of Nowhere Stadium won’t be built.
:o)
spirit-level,
Well said.
This is great. Just great, the real cause of all the hassle is out in the open and that is naked sectarianism against Non-Prods.
I hope the world is watching. Nationalists have said lets try and work out our differences. Unionist have said guns, decontamination period, while maintaining that they have nothing to do with the general situation in Northern Ireland.
Well excuse this mayhem will ye. Mainstream middle class people organised this and every middle class Unionist has got to ask themselves is this the way ye want to go on. The answer from elements within nationalism will be sound gloves off. Is that what ye want another thirty years of pure madness or try to sort out this whole mess through the G.F.A. and move towards a pluralist society.
Don’t like the G.F.A. do ye have any other reasonable suggestions ?
Like time to get yourselves proper political representation or form a new party from scratch or something, the ones ye vote for are nutcases
Keep it real.
And it is fair to say to Crat – undefeated army -don’t make me laugh. I’ll bet these “10 big men” that got one of yours – (rip lets hope) was actually 2 13 year olds. Since you are obviously so hard we should hear no more about the poor Short Stranders who canny get to a doctor.
Television coverage tonight showed orange order members trying to break through the gates at Workman Avenue on the Springfield Road.
Religious ?????????????
Tell you what.. andy, martin, braniel, archie, mas, alan, george, cedar, steve, susan, johnny, rocky, sleepless, wes, harry et al…
Pick a nom de plume.. and KEEP to it.
Loyalist,
“I’ll bet these “10 big men” that got one of yours – (rip lets hope) was actually 2 13 year olds.”
Your comment has shown exactly what you are – a disgusting, depraved, hate-filled bigot. It is something that is a fundamental of the loyalist psyche.