Fianna Fáil meltdown

Private polling carried out by Fianna Fáil and covered in the Sunday Tribune (not online) show the party is predicting an electoral meltdown and a spell in opposition. They have also found;

‘strong support in certain areas for Sinn Féin’

Highlights below

Thanks to Ivan for his help.

Sunday Tribune (front page) Sun 21 August – extracts

Private polls predict election disaster for Fianna Fáil.

Fianna Fáil could lose up to 15 seats in the next general election, according to private polls carried out recently for the party.
The secret constituency polls are understood to be worse than the most recent TNS-MRBI national opinion poll, which put Fianna Fáil at a low of 32%.

Informed sources described the private poll findings as “pretty Grim”

It is understood the private polls do not show any one party benefiting from Fianna Fáil’s current difficulties. They do point to a bounce in support for Fine Gael and strong support in certain areas for Sinn Féin (my emphasis)

However, some senior party figures are said to be privately resigned to a spell in opposition after the next election.

  • Keith M

    We’re probably at least 18 months from a general election, so its very premature to be drawing any conclusions from a poll at this point. That’s not to say that FG and SF/IRA won’t make gains, I think that is inevitable, for different reasons.

    You have to wonder why the results of an internal poll were leaked. I have a strong suspicion it’s more to do with complacency in certain FF branches than anything else.

    FF can probably lose 10 seats and still be certain of being in government after the next election (there are likely to be enough friendly “independents” out there). The question is if the PDs can have the remarkable result that they achieved in 2002.

    At this stage I’m still calling a FF/PD government (with independent support like that which sustained the 1997-2002), but things like an oil cris could have more impact than is currently forseen.

  • Ciarán Irvine

    No way Keith. I can’t see FF/PD having more than 75 between them. Where are they going to get (and hang onto) at least 8 independents?

    Labour are static and will remain so with Rabbitte as leader, and FG will make some gains but still FG/Lab coming in at a combined 67 or so. 72 or so if you add the Greens. Nowhere near enough.

    Give SF…10 say.

    Hung Dáil is my prediction, followed by Rabbitte falling on his sword and a FF/Lab coalition “in the national interest”.

  • middle-class taig

    I agree with Keith (I’m seeing a shrink tomorrow).

    Too premature for real insight. Leak for internal FF consumption.

    Surprise that they give the shot in the arm to the electoral respectability of SF. I just wonder if some of the Macchiavellian FF number-crunchers think that the Shinners and FG will be going for the same “last seats” in a number of constituencies where FF can afford to leak a bit to SF without threatening their own seats, but haven’t a prayer of a gain. I’m thinking particularly of Donegal NW, Dublin SE and West. Or seats where they think they’re going to drop a seat no matter what, but would prefer to lose it to SF than to FG – for example, Dublin NE and NW.

    Risky strategy. I’m probably reading too much into it. However, I don’t think FF are stong enough to fight this election on two fronts. I’m sure they’d rather fight the nationwide battle against FG/Lab for the mantle of national leadership, than watch their boots crack in Stalingrad winter of a sterile and symbolic fight with SF in urban Dublin.

  • Keith M

    Ciaran, even given FF+PDs only getting 75, consider that there were 13 independents elected in 2002 and 10 in 1997. It’s non inconcievable (indeed its quite likely based on recent polls and bi-elections) that there will be even more next time out. So getting 8 is far from impossible. It’s difficult on a base of 75, but on a more likely (in my opinion) base of 78, it’s highly likely.

    I would agree that a FF/Labour coalition is also a possibility despite the Rabitte posturing.

  • Ciarán Irvine

    There must be a full moon or something if we come this close to agreeing Keith 🙂

    I think the main difference in our predictions is the PDs – I see them dropping 3 or 4 seats, you probably see them holding steady or even gaining.

    Alright, a combined FF/PD total over 75 and they’re back with Inds, less than 75 and it’s FF/Lab…

    Are Paddy Power taking bets yet? 🙂

  • EWI

    Phoenix magazine called it recently as a FF-LP coalition next time out, with Labour ousting Rabbitte in forestalling SF getting into government.

    As Phoenix pointed out, the thought of SF ousting Labour as the driving force in leftist politics fills the LP with dread. The Stickies may find their reign short-lived.

  • EWI

    Phoenix magazine called it recently as a FF-LP coalition next time out, with Labour ousting Rabbitte in forestalling SF getting into government.

    As Phoenix pointed out, the thought of SF ousting Labour as the driving force in leftist politics fills the LP with dread. The Stickies may find their reign short-lived.

  • middle-class taig

    Keith/Ciarán

    Say FF get 73, PD 5, SF 10. Talk me through why you think FF would rather go with the PDs plus 5 to 8 independents than with SF. Inside the tent pissing out, etc…

    I’m sure that you’re both right on that, but explain to me what the thought process is there.

  • Keith M

    Ciaran, there was indeed a full moon two nights ago, so I’m sure normality will be restored by April 2007 (my guess at the date of th next election).

    I see the PDS holding 6-8 seats so that is the difference. I notice that both of us dismiss “FF losing up to 15 seats” for the nonsense that it is. Either way FF will be back again after the next election.

    EWI; I have been more accurate than The Phoenix in my predictions of every election since 1992, so big caveat there. As for “the thought of SF ousting Labour as the driving force in leftist politics fills the LP with dread”, this is quite the most flawed piece of “analysis” I have seen for a long time. If Labour felt threatened by SF (and indeed some do in parts of Dublin) then its a good reason to stay out of government and play the opposition card rather than conceding it to SF. Several people within Labour wanted to have SF included in the group that currently runs Dublin Corpoation (but were ruled out by HQ), feeling that that it would damage Labour far less by having SF councillors inside the tent pissing out than outside and pissing in. (Sorry for the vulgarity).

  • Keith M

    Hell’s bells the same pissing analogy in two posts (but in a different context)!

    m-ct; you need to understand the aversion that most voters in this country have to SF/IRA. Even the best poll result (the one in the afterglow of the most recent IRA statement) could not find a majority who would be happy to see SF in government if the election result provided this opportunity.

    FF (and especially Ahern) are fully aware of this and that is why Ahern said that such a coalition was “impossible”. He is not going to put an unsustainable coalition in place knowing that soft FF voters would punish them at the next posible opportunity. Watch FG (and perhaps even Labour) play the FF/SF card in the next election campaign and this will make Ahern’s position even more dogmatic.

  • Chris Gaskin

    Lads

    You forgetting one thing.

    Who says coalition is Sinn Féin’s preferered choice?

    From talking to party members the likelehood will be Sinn Féin supporting a minority Fianna Fáil government.

    That appeals to both parties as more Fianna Fáil back benchers get cabinet positions and Sinn Féin get certain things in return.

  • Ciarán Irvine

    MCT – the election will be within 18 months and possibly within 6. Either way, it’s just too soon and the process of the winding-down of the IRA won’t be fully complete by then. Too much hassle. Can you imagine the ranting and raving of McDowell, Kenny and Rabbitte over every single incident real, imagined or invented? It would disrupt the smooth running of the Government week in, week out. They’d never get anything constructive done and the meeja would be having a field day. Plus it would probably force and cement a FG/Lab/PD alliance that might possibly be an election-winner after 3-4 years of a lot of noise constantly distracting a fragile coalition which didn’t achieve much.

    Election after next (if all goes according to plan on the IRA front) now that’s a whole different matter, and there probably will be a FF/SF coalition or FF/Ind minority administration tacitly propped up by SF that time round…

    That second option is an outside chance after this election too if FF do reasonably well on their own, say getting 75-76 seats by themselves. Though most predictions have them on 70-73. In that scenario the FF backbenchers would definitely prefer to drop the PDs and have an “arrangement” with Independents from the gene-pool and SF that fell short of formal coalition. SF would never prop up a coalition involving the PDs (or the PDs accept the support for that matter), at least I’d be very suprised to see it!!

    So….my prediction:

    FF/Lab – very likely
    FF/PD/Inds – slightly likely
    FF/Inds propped up by SF – unlikely this time round but just might happen if the numbers are right

  • Nic

    Well, if you will sup with the devil….
    FF are paying the price for Ahern’s weakness for SF b***s**t.
    And judging by the people Ahern is getting “advice” from, it’s not going to get better before the general election. Only question is whether enough “grass roots” FF workers and supporters cop on that SF are the enemy and not their lost soul-brothers in time or not.
    Unlikely, is my humble assessment. The more so-called “republican” element in the FF mosaic is being attracted more and more to SF because every time SF show Ahern two fingers and get away with it, the more they feel themselves drawn to Adams – such elements are attracted to alpha male types.
    The remainder of FF is paralysed by this ambiguity with regard to republican violence, those who would speak out against SF fear for their own futures within the party should they do so. Disloyalty is not tolerated in post-Haughey FF. In fact, the good men left FF when Des o’Malley, disgusted by the Haughey-led corruption in FF, founded the PD’s. It’s no coincidence that it’s the PD’s who are most robust in their defence of the Republic during these difficult times. And it’s also no coincidence that it’s the PDs that get SFs goat the most and that a large corner of FF can’t wait to get rid of them. Rumours of their demise emanating from this corner need to be taken with a pinch of salt, therefore.
    I believe it’s also no coincidence that FG get a bounce when Kenny has a go at FFs covert footsie-playing with SF, the question is whether he has the cojones to keep it up. If he does, a FG-LAB-PD coalition, possibly with Green Party minority support is a distinct possibility after the next election.
    Here’s hoping.

  • lib2016

    There is no possibility of Labor (or Sinn Fein, for different reasons) being in government with the PD’s. I go with Sinn Fein playing a ‘kingmaker role’ from outside as they won’t want to lose their outsider status, nor split the party.

  • middle-class taig

    Ciarán/lib/Keith

    Thanks. That all makes sense. Could the Labour Party, from an ideological perspective, seriously entertain a coalition with the PDs though?

    Although, Keith, I’m surprised that you still rate the SF aversion so high. I think that fiv eor six years ago, you’d have been amazed to find yourself writing “Even the best poll result … could not find a majority who would be happy to see SF in government.” Surprised, that is, that perople were seriously asking the question.

    Chris

    It would be nice to see SF setting their sights higher than nudge, wink, you scratch my back. But, slowly, slowly, I suppose.

  • pacart

    Has the country gone mad, or have SF managed to corrupt enough people in the Rep so that their blatant criminality is no longer an issue? They have managed in the north, people here will vote SF no matter what comes to light, bank robberies, money laundering, exportation of terrorist techniques, intimidation,the vicious murder of a decent man and subsequent cover-up, it doesn’t seem to matter. Have enough people tossed their moral compass overboard in the Rep. to make gangsters in govt a possibility? I sincerely hope not.

  • PS

    Fianna Fáil / Labour to be the next government, I’ve been calling it for the last year. Sinn Féin to perform well next time and then sweep up more of the left vote disillusioned by Labour’s duplicity.

  • Macswiney

    Pacart,

    Sorry to say, but its great to see the annoyance that you feel about SF’s electoral rise. So many times on this site the regular contributors have ridiculed the very mention of SF in any form of coalition, but as we have seen in the North, the bottom line is that votes count. Full Stop. For example, take Donegal. I am in Donegal frequently and the rise in SF’s popularity has nothing to do with people being naive or blinkered. In areas of North East Donegal ie Lifford, Letterkenney etc.. the party has organised heavily on the ground and is basically working harder in most areas than their counterparts. In the South and West of Donegal where the party was already strong it is continuing to work on the ground on an ongoing basis unlike some of its rivals (particularly Fine Gael). Pearse Doherty is certain to take a seat at the next election with another seat in that area a distinct posiibility. Indeed Doherty in my opinion is an outside bet to lead the party at some stage in the future. Those who ridicule the prospect of SF in government may need to confront the stark reality of the situation sooner than they thought was possible.

  • Dalton, G

    Re: Donegal North East.

    DNE at the moment has 2 FF and one Independent FF. Assuming that FF don’t run Dr Jim McDaid again then the only outgoing TD with a guaranteed seat is Celia Keaveny. Celia is based in Moville, Inishowen, and ran on a platform of ‘The Inishowen TD’ last time out. The Sinn Fein contender Padraig McLaughlin is also from Inishowen, but from the larger town of Buncrana.

    At the moment FF haven’t got a good candidate based in Letterkenny to replace McDaid and as long as this remains the case, McLaughlin has a chance, given the good results for SF there in the last local elections. The question remains, can two candidates get elected from Inishowen?

    As for young Blaney, the consensus seems to be that he’s not a patch on the oul fella and the republican vote which used to go to the Blaneys is now going directly to SF. Also, FG’s young senator Joe McHugh is based in Blaneys back yard and could take votes off him in the Milford electoral area. But true to form FG are fighting among themselves again with Letterkenny Cllr Jimmy Harte staking his claim to a nomination to reclaim the family seat ( and with FF still looking for a Letterkenny based candidate, Jimmys argument currently stands up.)

    Padraig McLaughlin is a charming and likeable candidate, he is Mayor of Buncrana this year and his media profile is very high, much higher than the other contenders at the moment. If FF leave it to the last minute to select Jim McDaids successor and FG proceed to gut each other as they have in the past, then despite his geographical location, McLaughlin looks like a good bet.

  • irishman

    MCT

    I concur on the coalition debate within Sinn Fein. As a member myself, I would not be happy with a back-scratching scenario- either we’re in a coalition or out, dependent upon party tactics as the situation unfolds.

  • Brian

    Apart from the 5 current Sinn Féin TDs, I am confident that the party will at least treble that amount. There are seats in Cork N/C, Waterford, two in Donegal, three more in Dublin, a seat in Meath, Mayo, Wexford, Sligo and Galway. Republican candidates in the aforementioned constituencies are prepared for an election right now and confident of electoral success. Meanwhile, there are a plethora of other seats where Sinn Féin might just make it. So look at a figure of 15 to 20 which is far more realistic than the off the cuff figure of 10 offered by some poster. Make no mistake about it, Sinn Féin are about to replicate the so called ‘Spring tide’ when Labour (currently controlled by Sticks, quislings and ex official IRA men) gained over 30 seats.

  • Ciarán Irvine

    the off the cuff figure of 10 offered by some poster

    That was me. I’m giving you two more in Dublin, one in Cork, one in Donegal and probably Mayo after the whole Rossport Five thing. The others I don’t think are as likely. I live in Galway West and that fifth seat is going to be down to the usual scrap between the PDs, FF and the Greens. I fancy the Greens to take it this time. Daniel Callanan has a rising profile true, but not near enough to take a seat this time, IMO. Next time, maybe.

    Make no mistake about it, Sinn Féin are about to replicate the so called ‘Spring tide’ when Labour…immediately broke their election promises and jumped into bed with FF? 🙂

  • barnshee

    I hope SF do well it soo helps the DUPERS

  • Keith M

    “Apart from the 5 current Sinn Féin TDs, I am confident that the party will at least treble that amount.”

    This is the kind of talk that SF (and their friends in the media) were hyping before last year’s local elections. They fell well short of the trebling figure and increased at a rate which would give them 12 seats in the next general election.

    However based on the recent Meath bi-election, even 12 may be beyond them, and I think Ciaran might well be on the money with 10. Mind you, if Labour do as badly I think they might they could still overtake them.

  • middle-class taig

    I figure 10-12 too, Brian

    Your figure of 15 is pretty punchy! Nothing would give me greater pleasure than your prediction becoming reality. I wonder, though, about some of those constituencies where SF’s involvement (never mind result) in the council elections was modest was small. Thinking of Mayo, rural Waterford, Galway – interested that the thinking is that Rossport’s been such a boon for SF.

  • slug

    I know next to nothing about sourthern politics but when a party – or someone within a party- reveals private polling to a newspaper you have to treat the findings with more suspicion than a normal poll.

  • CQ

    If you look at the percentages in recent polls, FF are getting about one third or less of the vote. One third of the Dáil is 55 seats. Even giving a large seat bonus to FF they are looking at 65 seats or less in the next Dáil. There could be constituencies without FF TDs (Dublin SE?) – when was the last time this happened?

    I think that the most likely scenario following the next election is a minority FG/Lab/Green govt, assuming that between them they get to 75 or more seats, with subsequent elections being effectively FG/Lab/Green v FF/SF contests.

  • Ciarán Irvine

    There could be constituencies without FF TDs (Dublin SE?) – when was the last time this happened?

    A few months ago in the Kildare North bye-election 🙂

  • irishman

    MCT

    Sinn Fein support in Mayo is also up due to the fact that the likely candidate in the next election is a prominent local councillor who defected from Fianna Fail to the party- thereby giving the party a jump start in the race.

    Waterford should be tight for Sinn Fein; Wexford should return a seat. I’m of the opinion Donegal will be a real story in this election, with the Blaneyites returning en masse to mainstream republicanism, only this time in the guise of Sinn Fein- expect 2 seats from Tir Chonaill.

    Don’t write off Sligo, even with the boundary changes. But it is in Dublin that the party stand to make the most significant gains, anything up to five additional seats across the capital.

  • middle-class taig

    Ciarán

    Indeed, although Brady’s first preference vote would have all but elected her in a Dail election.
    Has there been a recent case of a seat being without a FF TD after a General Election? I can’t remember one, though I’ve only been politically aware since around the time of the Hunger Strikes – am I missing a few? I remember the spectre being raised in North Kerry last time round, but McEllistrim got in there and Spring collapsed.

  • middle-class taig

    irishman

    ballsy predictions – love it!

    what’s Blaney’s relationship with SF like?

  • Keith M

    Both Donegal and Mayo are far too flaky to call at this stage. We don’t know the intentions of Gallagher, McDaid, Cooper-Flynn or Higgins. Only a fool would make any predictions on these constituencies until we know which of these are running.

    By the way, Donegal may go back to being one five seater in the next 15 years if current trends continue.

    I’d like to see the 5 constituencies which someone thinks SF will gain. I’m in Dublin Central and the feeling seems to be that if anything SF have lost momentum there, and there’s talks of a high profile Green candidate potentially upsetting the applecart.

    As for a constituency not having an FF TD after a general election, I don’t believe that that has ever happened and I don’t see it happening in 2007.

  • Keith M

    One thing I forgot to mention earlier was that people seem to be giving SF the 5 seats they won in 2002. This is far from certain. Labour are predicting that they will retake Kerry North, and based on the local elections, they would take Ferris’s seat.

    Also someone mentioned Cork North Central as a possible gain. This might have been possible if it stayed a 5 seater, but it’s now 4, and I wouldn’t give them a chance based on the local results.

    The more I read, the more I think Ciaran is bang on the money at 10. (which would be pretty miserable for a party getting 12% poll ratings).

  • barnshee

    “Has the country gone mad, or have SF managed to corrupt enough people in the Rep so that their blatant criminality is no longer an issue? They have managed in the north, people here will vote SF no matter what comes to light, bank robberies, money laundering, exportation of terrorist techniques, intimidation,the vicious murder of a decent man and subsequent cover-up, it doesn’t seem to matter. Have enough people tossed their moral compass overboard in the Rep. to make gangsters in govt a possibility? I sincerely hope not.

    Love it,love it the DUPERS are guaranteed to sweep the prod board beware -you may get what you wish for.

  • Jimmy_Sands

    I’ll stick my neck out and say the govt will be back for a third term (albeit a minority this time, both parties shedding the odd seat). FG will do better (couldn’t really do worse) but not well enough. Lab pretty much as they were. Provos may make gains but it certainly won’t be 15 and may not even be 10.

    Bertie won’t want the provos in govt. Too high maintenance. He’ll always take the easy option. Lab will be his second choice if the FF/PD numbers don’t stack up.

  • RedPaul

    Brian: The Sticks are quislings? Excellent Provo re write of history! We’re all Stickies now, as was Marty to begin with and Gerry was always there in spirit!

  • martin

    Waterford holds a real possibility of a Sinn Fein seat judging by David Cullinans performance there in the Euro elections he got 10,000 more votes than the next contender in Waterford city.-his profile has remained high in the area.

  • middle-class taig

    Keith

    Interesting point about the results in Listowel and Tralee not showing the kind of figures Ferris needs to be returned. I was surprised at that and was wondering if the medical card thing had hurt him. It’s most unshinnery not to go forth and multiply once a beachhead has been established.

    I had a look at the locals in 99 to see if SF was dropping. The results show SF up since 99 in both constituencies (a little in Tralee and a lot in Listowel). In comparison, Labour have dropped calamitously in Tralee – down about 5.5%. Without a big hitter like Spring, you’ve got to figure they’ve dropped below critical mass. If Ferris is going to lose it, it’s difficult to see him losing it to Labour. Query whether FF, who are fairly steady as she goes in NK, could sneak a second seat on transfers. Hard to see.

    Are there local reasons why the results from locals to generals are so inconsistent? I mean, Ferris in the generals doubled the SF %share as compared with the 99 locals, whereas FF fell well short of their locals performance. If you had to lay money, where would you lay it?

  • irishman

    MCT

    Spot on in relation to N Kerry local figures varying from Leinster House elections. For Sinn Fein, the fact that Ferris’ daughter has been elevated to status of Mayor will boost the party profile in the coming period. Without Spring, this one will be as it was: 1 for FG, FF and SF.

  • middle-class taig

    irishman

    Any insight into why the discrepancy? If I’m going to make any cash on the next election I’m going to need some on the ground sceal.

  • Brian

    I can’t believe some of the posts here. My predidiction concerning the inexorable rise of Sinn Féin was conservative. Of course time will tell, but as an optimist I think that SF will in fact treble their current Dáil representation and perhaps end up with 20 seats now that more people in the south will give them transfers. The big losers are destined to be the neo-nazi Pee-Dees and SFWP/labour.

  • Keith M

    M-C T : North Kerry is very interesting and the absence of the big names in the local elections account for the difference between locals and general election results.

    In 2002 Spring was more or less brow beaten into running as bad planning by Labour meant that they had no successor ready and Spring had not been working on the ground in the constituency for years. This is something that Labour have been working on since. Terry O’Brien topped the poll in the Tralee ward, finishing ahead of Ferris’s daughter. It was no coincidence that Labour held their party conference in Tralee, earlier this year.

    At this stage it’s pick any three from four of FF/FG/Lab and SF. There is no chance of two FF seats. If they couldn’t do it in 2002, they won’t do it next time.

    It’s quite possible that no one will have a quota and transfers will be key and in such a scenario FF and FG have the advantage for party and geographic reasons.

  • middle-class taig

    Brian

    The Belfast cynic in me says don’t set your hopes too high. A doubling of representation would be a spectacular result – it would be tragic if republicans saw that as somehow disappointing. The Spring tide ebbed away – it has proven, in literal geographical terms, to be a spring tide; a highwatermark. SF needs to be looking to raising sea levels generally, patiently, incrementally.

  • Dalton, G

    Can’t agree with MCTs last post. At the next election SF will be facing a govt who have been in power for nearly 10 years, whose leaders popularity is on the wane, in a situation where neither the FG or Lab leaderships are setting the world on fire. In 92 prior to the spring tide many voters saw labour as the best place to put their anti-FF votes, this time around this vote could go in a large share to SF.I believe there could be a great leap forward for them, without the downside of being expected to go into power immediately afterwards.

    The ‘Spring Tide’ ebbed away for a number of reasons but particularly because first term deputies were elevated to cabinet and junior minister posts and forgot the old maxim ‘to thine own seat be true’ – i don’t think the same will happen with SF deputies.

    On a note of caution however, it shouldn’t be assumed that all of the sitting SF TDs will be automatically re-elected. Particularly O’Snodaigh and Crowe who have to operate within Dublin and without a strong local press and media to cover their work. Like other Dublin based TDs they have to fight for space in the National press and media for their own constituents to see and hear from them and the press in particular won’t be too anxious to help them along over the next few months.

  • Brian

    To those who ‘audaciously’ think that Martin (Ferris) will lose his seat in N. Kerry, all I can say is that you are obviously unaware of the massive cult status and belief with the constituency that Martin is a great constituency worker and bound by his noble idology and belief in equality and justice for all…not just in North Kerry. Finnally, although I do believe that Sinn Féin will at least treble their Leinster House TDs, this is obviously the begining. In one sense I regret alluding to the ‘Spring tide’ analogy. Because, the difference between those committed to Irish Republicanism and professional labour politicians is that the former are motivated for the greater good whilst the latter are in it for cash and status. In fact the oly similarity is that Sinn Féin will proportionately increase it Dául representatio, at least. as for going into some coalition? Well fianna Fáil will need to prove their Republican Boba Fides and both Labour and FG are becoming irrelevant. So I would suggest that SF support a minority government if (and when) the results of the next generals are known

  • MARTIN

    PD/FF are finished the Irish people have finally woken up to them.

    It is good for Bertie Ahern that he did not gloat over Michael Noonans disasterous showing for FG in 2002 as Ahern will soon be in a similar or worse position himself and I would estimate it will be worse if things stay on the same trend.

  • slug

    The excitement is almost unbearable.

  • Jimmy_Sands

    “massive cult status”

    Was that a typo?

  • martin

    ”all I can say is that you are obviously unaware of the massive cult status and belief with the constituency that Martin is a great constituency worker and bound by his noble idology and belief in equality and justice for all…”

    I know that Im fairly outspoken but I had no idea I had such a following.

  • Brian

    I regret the misspellings but ya get the gist of my argument. Incidentally, Martin Ferris does have a status that elevates him to an almost cult figure in North Kerry. His bravery and suffering on behalf of Oglaigh Na hEireann are indisputable. His constituency work in North Kerry is second to none. His constituency workers and other mandated Sinn Féin councillors perform admirably for the people in the area as evidenced by Martin’s poll topping performance, his credentials as a Kerryman (had he not been in Portlaoise he would certainly have been on the mighty Kerry football team of the 80s) and sunsequent council results which resulted in Martin’s daughter becoming Mayor. Speaking of ‘cults’, Martin’s is based on his hard work and Irish Republicanism, what say yo9u of the cult of Paisleyism, based on evil, perverse ‘religion’ and hatred??

  • Alan McDonald

    I was trying to figure out if “Brian” is “Brian from Boston” from over on the UTV site. I think his last comment would make that a big YES.

  • bertie

    Martin

    I sympathise entirely. I have to do a double take quite often when there are references to “Bertie” often in thread titles about Ahern, most of them not very complementry.

    Mind you if I had to choose who to have as a namesake I think I’ve got a better deal than you.

  • Brian

    [See commenting policy – ed Mod]

  • Alan McDonald

    Brian,

    Please see Commenting Policy before posting further on Slugger. This is not UTV.

  • Brian

    Nobdoy’s trying to play the man and not the ball. How’sever, I merely repeated (almost verbatim) Alan’s comment. What! is their one rule FOR Irish Republican dissidents and another for Unionists/Orange apopogists for Unionist terrorism????

  • martin

    bertie,

    nah you’ve got the worst deal of the lot.

  • bertie

    Martin

    I suspect that is more an anti-Ahern comment that a pro Sinn Fein one or have I got that wrong?

  • martin

    bertie,

    you got it right