McCartney home attacked…

Bridgeen Hagan, partner of murder victim Robert McCartney has had her house attacked by a mob of young people. She believes that the attackers were local to Short Strand, however, in yesterday’s Irish Times Sinn Fein’s local representative Deborah Devenney insisted that the attack was due to a loyalist incursion into the staunchly republican area. Today’s Daily Telegraph reports that her sister-in-law Paula is now moving out of the area because of sustained intimidation.

  • reality check

    I believe this attack to be the work of loyalists.They’re intent on stirring up tension and can’t leave anyone alone in the run up to the twelfth

  • Ricardo

    Reality check

    Looks like you could do with a wee shave with Occam’s Razor as well . . .

  • Blackadder

    I very much doubt this was a loyalist excursion into Short Strand,that’s a weak excuse.

  • bollix

    Clearly the work of sneaky loyalists who managed to infiltrate the short strand armed with some stones and beer bottles, singled out this particular house for attack, then slipped away through the darkness using their ninja skills taught to them by british securocrats

    As we say in Belfast, “Aye right”

    My question, do people really believe this spurious nonsense? When it is as plain as the nose on the end of your face that “your side” has done wrong, how do people square what they want to believe with what the evidence and logic dictate?

    Are they intellectually aware at some deep level that they are deceiving themselves? Does their heart (or innate prejudices) tell them that, notwithstanding some pesky facts, “their boys” are in the right?

    Or should we perhaps be more cynical and credit them with a more devious mind which knows that they are wrong, but believes that if enough of a smokescreen is put out there, that perhaps the facts will become unclear in the general public’s mind?

  • G2

    “Sinn Fein’s local representative Deborah Devenney insisted that the attack was due to a loyalist incursion into the staunchly republican area.”

    Oh yeah, go and tell that one to the marines Deborah.

  • DerryTerry

    In Derry last month loyalists were seen, and recorded on CCTV, emerging from the Fountain estate and then throwing stones and bottles back in. GUBU, but true and to be honest hardly needed as they are enough sectarian bigots outside the Fountain only to willing to attack their protestant neighbours.

    Likewise in Belfast in recent years loyalists have been caught attacking protestant homes to raise tensions. Again GUBU.

    So do i believe loyalists are capable of this? Of course.

  • Ricardo

    Terry

    Do you have links to these stories?
    I can’t remember reading about them anywhere.

  • reality check

    Terry-well said.That’s the mentality of huns

  • Waitnsee

    The denial and bigotry on display in this thread is depressing beyond words.

  • fair_deal

    “huns”

    Interesting choice of phraseology.

  • Waitnsee

    Devenny’s statement has been rubbished by the McCartney family. Amazing to note that posters here, although they don’t believe her either, still somehow manage to make it ‘themmuns’ fault.
    Absolutely tragic.

  • Macswiney

    Unlike many of the usual ‘opportunists’ here, I can place this post with some actual ‘facts’ relating to this incident. (My home in Short Strand is approximately 5 houses away from the home that was attacked. My bedroom window was hit by a missile and I personally observed three youths running at some speed towards Woodstock Link. I am not alone in having witnessed this, it is perhaps indicative of the entire McCartney case that not one journalist called to verify events with any of the local families like my own who live in the immediate vicinity. PS I would extend an invitation to any journalists even now to visits any homes here at random and people willbe happy to clrify what happened. Then again why should the facts ever get in the way of a good story? I’ll allow the opportunists and point scorers to continue…

  • Ricardo

    Macwiney

    So you think the people of the short strand can be relied upon to give an unbiased opinion? I don’t.

  • DerryTerry

    Ricardo, the Fountain story was carried in the Derry Journal about three weeks ago. Sorry but i’m essentially a luddite and have no idea how to link to this or even search their site. Alternatively you could contact the Radio Foyle newsroom, who had the story confirmed but declined to run it when the PSNI declined to comment.

    The Belfast incident appeared in the Irish News but again see above.

  • Jimmy_Sands

    Occam indeed. Within the last few days, SF apologists have been posting here as to their belief that the movement is fully entitled to target the homes of its critics. Why the surprise?

  • Macswiney

    Basically Ricardo your last comment is questioning my own credibility. I find that intensely sad. I disagree with many points of view on this site, but naively or not, I like to extend the courtesy of believing ALL contributors when they are giving personal recollections of actual events. Otherwise we are on the road to nowhere. Your comment says an awful lot about your own prejudices. “So you think the people of The Short Strand can be relied upon to give an honest opinion, I dont”. I wonder would you include the McCartney sisters within this remit then Ricardo. After all they are also residents of the area which you have demonised in totality in just one comment? Enough said…

  • Ricardo

    Wrong Macswiney. Are you always so swift to play the victim?

    Given that both the McCartney family, and the alleged murderers of their brother come from the short strand, I’d wager that objective opinions on any aspect of the affair are pretty thin on the ground. That’s all.

  • DerryTerry

    Ricardo, the other opinion offered relating to this incident was provided by the PSNI to the McCartney family, as the original interview with Ms McCartney on UTV made clear. I would suggest that the PSNI’s objectivity might also be questioned.

    Jimmy, excellent post. In one sentence you’ve transformed a peaceful and apparently good natured protest into the targetting of a Republican critic, and connected this to the attack on the McCartney home, without even acknowledging the fact that the incident is actually disputed. Wonderfully dishonest.

  • tra g

    “and the alleged murderers of their brother come from the short strand,”

    Neither of the alleged murderers came from the Short Strand.

    It helps if you know the facts , Ricardo

    But its never stopped you before.

  • TAFKABO

    Tra G

    I think you may be confusing alleged with accused.
    It may be the case that neither of the two accused in relation to the killing came from the Shot Strand, but it is alleged that others involved do.

  • Realist

    “In Derry last month loyalists were seen, and recorded on CCTV, emerging from the Fountain estate and then throwing stones and bottles back in. GUBU, but true and to be honest hardly needed as they are enough sectarian bigots outside the Fountain only to willing to attack their protestant neighbours.

    Likewise in Belfast in recent years loyalists have been caught attacking protestant homes to raise tensions. Again GUBU.

    So do i believe loyalists are capable of this? Of course.”

    That’s far more of a reason to believe the Provos were responsible, [ed. Mod]

  • tra g

    “i think you may be confusing alleged with accused.
    It may be the case that neither of the two accused in relation to the killing came from the Short Strand, but it is alleged that others involved do.”

    The story has been well documented and the names of those alleged to have killed McCartney have been published in a number of newspapers.

    Those named for allegedly murdering McCartney were not from the Short Strand.

  • ann

    Look there are people out there that will believe anything the McCartneys will say, the people of the short strand know what happend to the Partner of Robert McCartneys house and who done it. They also know that Robert McCartney had bought a house before he died which was being built and that it is now ready and that is why his partner is moving. As for his sister she has had her house up for sale from before this all happened and now she is using this as an excuse for moving.

  • ann

    Look there are people out there that will believe anything the McCartneys will say, the people of the short strand know what happend to the Partner of Robert McCartneys house and who done it. They also know that Robert McCartney had bought a house before he died which was being built and that it is now ready and that is why his partner is moving. As for his sister she has had her house up for sale from before this all happened and now she is using this as an excuse for moving.

  • glad i’m not from here

    In the last few months, I have read this site with interest this as it was referred to me by a bloke from here. I’ve lived on this island for 3 years both in the Republic and up here. I’ve tried to understand the mindset of people on both sides of the divide who live in the ‘North’. Reading this thread, to be honest, just makes me sick and f***** glad not to be whatever the f*** any of you are. It’s a sick mentality that festers here. You are so busy trying to blame the other side and ‘win’ that you have lost sight of exactly how messed up your children are and exactly what you are creating in this next generation. Do you not SEE what you are creating in your children and how UNHEALTHY your society is? Do you not f****** see it? And I mean both sides!!! I can’t imagine what you all have went through in the ‘Troubles’ and both before and after that. But there comes a time when you have to realize that its time to grow up and understand the damage you are doing to your society. People tell me that things are better now then before the Peace Process, but if this is better then my hair is naturally blue. Reread this thread; please then ask yourself if you can see why I’m so outraged at this. You are supposed to represent the educated and informed component of the North and be the ones who are leading the North into a vibrant future. If you can’t see what I’m so incensed about then that’s indicative of what the problem really is.

    You all say the problem is either the flag issue or the Marching Season or the Orange Order or the IRA or Sinn Fein or Ian Paisley or the PSNI, but the real problem is yourselves. All I get from anybody is this sense that we can’t let the other side win. Screw what’s the truth and what is moral; as long as the other side doesn’t win then everything is ok. Well, guess what – it isn’t alright! Whoever threw the bleeding rocks was wrong – I don’t care if they are ‘Huns’ or ‘Taigs’. What does this say of your society when children throw rocks? And, let me tell you, both sides throw rocks! Both sides lie through their teeth and both sides are also as trustworthy as a cat around raw fish. Both sides also apparently, have excrement that is gold as that is all I get from reading your blogs.

    Stop kidding yourself and open your eyes to what the rest of the world sees.

  • gladnotfromhere

    In the last few months, I have read this site with interest this as it was referred to me by a bloke from here. I’ve lived on this island for 3 years both in the Republic and up here. I’ve tried to understand the mindset of people on both sides of this ‘divide’. Reading this thread, to be honest, just makes me sick and f***** glad not to be whatever the f*** any of you are. It’s a sick mentality that festers here. You are so busy trying to blame the other side and ‘win’ that you have lost sight of exactly how messed up your children are and exactly what you are creating in this next generation. Do you not SEE what you are creating in your children and how UNHEALTHY your society is? Do you not f****** see it? And I mean both sides!!!

    I can’t imagine what you all have went through in the ‘Troubles’ and both before and after that. But there comes a time when you have to realize that its time to grow up and understand the damage you are doing to your society. People tell me that things are better now then before the Peace Process, but if this is better then my hair is naturally blue. Reread this thread; please then ask yourself if you can see why I’m so outraged at this. You are supposed to represent the educated and informed component of the North and be the ones who are leading the North into a vibrant future. If you can’t see what I’m so incensed about then that’s indicative of what the problem really is!

    You all say the problem is either the flag issue or the Marching Season or the Orange Order or the IRA or Sinn Fein or Ian Paisley or the PSNI or generally just the other side, but the real problem is yourselves. All I get from anybody is this sense that we can’t let the other side win. Screw what’s the truth and what is moral; as long as the other side doesn’t win then everything is ok. Well, guess what – it isn’t alright! Whoever threw the bleeding rocks was wrong – I don’t care if they are ‘Huns’ or ‘Taigs’. Just because she was moving doesn’t make it right to throw the rocks; does that mean that she somehow deserved it? My point is this – What does this say of your society when children throw rocks? What does it say when parents are unawares of what their children get up to on the streets? And,let me tell you, both sides throw rocks! Both sides lie through their teeth and both sides are also as trustworthy as a cat around raw fish. Both sides also apparently, have excrement that is gold as that is all I get from reading your blogs.

    Stop kidding yourself and open your eyes to what the rest of the world sees.

  • reality check

    without the orange order,sectarianism would be easier contained

  • Macswiney

    ‘Gladnotfromhere’ what I see in the rest of the world this morning is an unbelieveable and ever-growing divide between Christanity and large sectors of The muslim world which is on a scale much greater than anything which exists here. Perhaps it is you who needs to “open your eyes to what the rest of the world sees”. More people died in London yesterday than have died here in the past ten years. The Muslim Council of Britain said today that they received so much hate mail yesterday that their website crashed. There are the seeds of a potential’holy war’. Attacks are increasingly on a global basis. For all of our disagreements here people are generally no longer dying as a result of cross community conflict. Even if want to examine religous intolerance you might find as many examples of it in the cities of Britain today as you will find here…

  • AugustusGloop

    reality check

    yeah sure, without the Orange Order, without GAA, without the DUP, without Sinn Fein, without the presbyterian Church, without the Roman Catholic Church, without the peace walls, without murals……….etc, etc

    in fact I know, why don’t we just drop an atomic bomb on Northern Ireland because realistically destroying the entire Northern Ireland/the North/the Province/the Six Counties/ Ulster thats the only way it’ll stop.

  • jocky

    Has Macswiney done the first case of inter conflict global what-a-boutery “A but were no as bad as those jihadists”. Classic.

    Sometimes I think on Sluggers home page under the “headings” categories there should be a heading “N.I. is full of violent idiots that like hurting people” and a depressing amount of threads could be filed uner it.

    p.s. apoligies to the decent folk of N.I. but you do seem to have more than your fair share of violent idiots.

  • Baluba

    Glad I’m not from here

    How delightfully patronising. I find it slightly insulting to read your effort at trivialising our problems. A lot of people died here. Many people still are intimidated and treatd badly.

    The ‘why can’t you all just get along’ attitude is f*#kin naive!

  • Martin

    glad im not frome here,

    patronising S**t how dare you.
    Go move to Dublin 4 you’ll fit in there just fine–sorry to non-smartasses living in dub4

  • Macswiney

    Jocky that tripe isnt even worthy of a decent response but I’ll try. Gladimnothere (like yourself apparently) clearly doesnt live here yet sees fit to lecture just about everyone who contributes to this site, while bizarrely stating on several occasions that he is unaware of many of the issues and making snide comments about ‘our’ denegration of our childrens future. His widespread use of expletives in the first paragraph suggest he perhaps has ‘issues’ which have led him to an unnecessary and most definitely unbalanced attack on both the users of this site and the people who live here. As for my own child, she is in the second year of a degree course at QUB and doing very well thank you, so thankfully she has escaped the perils of the horror society that Gladimnothere seeks to depict. It is equally sad that you resort right down to his level by stating that we have our fair share of idiots. Yes we do Jocky. And so do you. Wherever it is that you reside…

  • Jocky

    Macswiney, what bit of my post was tripe? glib and offensive maybe but not tripe.

    first up, your post took what-aboutery to a different level.

    Are you saying NI has less violent idiots than other european states? Look at the volume of posts about riots, attacks, shootings. OK I’ve not checked the statistics by I’d wager that per head of population things are pretty bad. Look at slugger, witness shot dead, riot at protest, this thread is about someones home attacked. OK could have phrased it less offensively but its a friday and Im bored.

    Yes a lot of the problems NI has are common to every other place but nowhere else is it so tribal and ritualised.

    While gladImnotfromhere post might have been niave I think that is what is good about it. I read it as a heartfelt plea for some humanity beyond the standard rounds of claim and counter claim that passes for debate on slugger at times.

    It might be patronising but when it’s describing the views on slugger its not that far from the truth IMO with an outsiders perspecitve, from Manchester.