Five sent to jail over pipeline protest

Shell seems to have a penchant for getting its PR wrong. Many believe its case for sinking the Brent Spar oil rig was environmentally sound, but that it lost the PR battle because the public placed greater trust in Greenpeace. Now it has egg on its face again. After having won a court order restraining five local residents from obstructing work on the Shell Corrib gas pipeline, the residents have now been jailed indefinitely for contempt of court.

Update: Local discussion on Castlebar.ie. Thanks to Setanta below for the heads up”

Shell’s managing director Andy Pyle told Morning Ireland this morning that they had tried to resolve the situation (sound file), but that the people concerned had not responded to their attempts make contact.

  • Waitnsee

    Mick – has it ever occurred to you that the reason you’re never offered a job on a newspaper is because you can’t spell for toffee?

  • Setanta

    Some comments in the local about this.
    http://www.castlebar.ie/board/2005/may/117076.htm

  • DCB

    Waitnsee

    In defence of bad spellers and dyslexics like myself, it is a very much over rated skill

    Not all of our national newspapers rate it that highly either – the Guardian for instance.

    Bring back ye olde English where you could have up to 10 different spellings for the same word

    And where would James Joyce have been if he’d been forced to conform to the artistic straightjacket of spelling (on second thoughts maybe he would have produced some more intelligible stuff)

  • Mick

    You are right about one and off the mark about the other. In my own (admittedly weak) defence, I’d point out that newspapers have subs to cover the sometimes crude grammatical sins of their writers. Slugger, does not.

    Interestingly, my mistakes are on full display for all to see and are fully accountable and traceable to me. You however seem to be going to extraordinary technological lengths to keep your identity hidden – in particular posting every comment from a different (dummy?) IP address.

    Your criticism is healthy enough. But why go to such lengths to hide your identity?

  • Waitnsee

    Mick, stung by your angry hurt reply I have asked a nerd and discovered that as a BT Broadband user I get a different IP address every time I log on. That’s all. Plus, I am actually Sir Reg Empey.

    PS: You’ve spelt ‘definitely’ wrong lower down the main page as well. Think ‘finite’, see?

  • Mick

    I’m genuinely sorry if I’ve called that in error. It is nonetheless extremely unusual for every post to come up under a completely unique IP every time someone posts. I’ve not come across it before. My apologies.

    “Hurt and angry” – very good ;-).

    PS, what was it you wanted to say about the Corrib 5 case?

  • Waitnsee

    Well here you go, I haven’t logged off since the last post so the IP address shouldn’t have changed.

  • Donnie

    AFAIK unless you pay extra, BT and BT Openworld give you dynamic IP addresses so you’ll get a different IP address on each login.

    Not that any of this is relevant to the thread…

  • Setanta

    People back to the topic, here we have 5 people from North Mayo in Jail and nothing seems to be done about it. Its a shame really. Also there are Pro gas and anti gas people in the area a bit like ye guys 🙂

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  • martin

    Fair play to the 5 for standing up for their rights-maybe there are still a few people down south with some back-bone after all,its about time! they’ve taken and accepted enough c**p from the Aherne administration.

    Noticably absent is the concern for the 5 from their TD Enda Kenny,as well as the Flynn dynasty not to mention the “environment first” Green party–the only politician I heard taking the side of the underdog against Shell is Gerry Adams on the radio yesterday–I havent had media contact since but im sure a corus of publicity seeking southern politicians have jumped on the bandwaggon now that the 5 mens plight is geting a lot of attention

  • martin

    sorry once again for indulging my habit of spelling Captain Corruption’s name with an extra e at its end

  • Jimmy_Sands

    I’m not sure what the TDs are supposed to do about it. Pass a law perhaps to say you only have to obey court orders if you like them?

  • martin

    They could start by defending their constituents constitutional rights to freedom of assembly .

  • Jimmy_Sands

    martin,

    No-one is questioning that right. They have decided to disobey a court order. No-one is above the law. They claim the right to treat the institutions of the Republic with contempt. If they are prepared to accept the rule of law they can go home.

  • martin

    No-one is above the law ????????????
    do you really want to get me started on this one.

    They claim the right to treat the institutions of the Republic with contempt!!!!!

    dont go there either—the way the people in those institutions behave there isnt words to describe how much contempt I have for them

  • Jimmy_Sands

    “do you really want to get me started on this one.”

    Be my guest. It’s a free country after all.

  • martin

    JIMMY SANDS,
    I dont really have time Ill do a summary.

    Fianna Fail.
    Gardai.

  • Jimmy_Sands

    Are you suggesting that these organisations are entitled to break the law?

  • martin

    entitled=no

    DO they feel they are entitled to break the law
    =seems so

  • Jimmy_Sands

    And when people act is if they were entitled to break the law, do you think that’s a good thing or a bad thing?

  • martin

    A good thing if a greater evil is being prevented.

    Heres one for you what happens if 5 are released and no further picketing occurs–Shell company continues to lay their pipes and then when the damage is done–a superior court finds that the protestors were within their rights all along—but it’ll be too late then wont it.

  • Jimmy_Sands

    So you believe the gardai are entitled to break the law if they believe a “greater evil” is thereby prevented? Is that, as the phrase goes, your final answer?

    As I understand it Shell are carrying out preparatory work under a wayleave and are presumably confident that a pipe in some form or other will be approved. If it is not, or if any ministerial permission is overruled by the courts, they will not be able to lay it. I assume you would expect Shell to obey such an order, or would Shell in your view be entitled to break it if they believed it were a lesser evil?

  • martin

    Only thing there is that in the past the Gardai breaking the law has always lead to a much greater evil being caused,often when there was no evil to prevent.

    Justice and the law are to very different things some people often make the mistake that they are the same.

    You shouldnt regard the law as the be all and end all

    —-for example had you been an adult living in Germany during the 1930’s laws were enacted de-humanising the Jewish community-im sure you would have objected to these laws and not obeyed them—-but they were the law no less enacted by the Reichstag—you would have acted according to your own conscience and morality as much as conditions would allow and not by the dictates of a lunitic and his hangers on.

    By the way I would like to make it known that im not comparing in any way the Irish governments since 1922 with Nazi Germany-there is absolutly no comparison, my point was about choosing to obey or not to obey laws.

  • Jimmy_Sands

    If you’re not comparing the Republic to Nazi Germany (and I’m glad to hear you’re not) then perhaps you should have used a less melodramatic example.

    I’ll give you another example. Many of the great miscarriage of justice cases involved police officers breaking the law in order to convict people they genuinely believe were guilty. In many cases they believed their lies and deceptions were a lesser evil that letting the suspect go free for lack of evidence. Of course in so many cases they were wrong.

    What you don’t address with your “lesser evil” argument is who gets to decide if not the elected government or the courts?

  • martin

    what you said about police stitching people up whom they believed to be guilty may occur in other countries but what Ive seen in Ireland is people being stitched up not because the gardai genuinely believed that they were preventing further crimes from these same people—rather the people in question were convienient patsies who were easy targets and by stitching them up they were saving time ,paperwork and their own face to the general public–as well as settling old scores and getting their own friends off in many cases.

  • martin

    Jimmy Sands,

    no melodrama–just used the example of Nazi Germany as a clear cut example of where you would more than likely be ruled by the dictates of your own conscience rather than the Law.

    The elected government and the courts are probably the last people who should decide lesser/greater evil judging by their past behaviour.

    The high Court in its decision is breaching the mens absolute right to ownership of private property enshrined in the constitution, Noel Dempsey is shirking his ministerial responsibilities under the Constitution.

    And even from corruption perspective that guides this government–they got a very poor deal (but ive no doubt brown envelopes from shell come into it)—-

    (1)The entire Corrib gas field handed over to foreign based multinationals with no interest to the state–the operation will be based in Ayr in Scotland–no Irish labour/services except where provided free-.

    (2)The State will be covering the past expenses of these private foreign companies

    (3)No royalties will be paid to the state–apart from the highly likely back handers given to Bert and co for selling out Irish independence.

    (4)The only land based refinery in the world will discharge toxins into the air,sea and drinking water where many people live.

    In other words despite all this governments sneeking around and sucking up to multinationals–with all their devious and underhand practices they are getting done–what a pack of idiots,

    If the protest continues will Shell fund and equip death squads to deal with these Mayo people like they did in the Niger Delta.

  • martin

    Jimmy Sands,

    no melodrama–just used the example of Nazi Germany as a clear cut example of where you would more than likely be ruled by the dictates of your own conscience rather than the Law.

    The elected government and the courts are probably the last people who should decide lesser/greater evil judging by their past behaviour.

    The high Court in its decision is breaching the mens absolute right to ownership of private property enshrined in the constitution, Noel Dempsey is shirking his ministerial responsibilities under the Constitution.

    And even from corruption perspective that guides this government–they got a very poor deal (but ive no doubt brown envelopes from shell come into it)—-

    (1)The entire Corrib gas field handed over to foreign based multinationals with no interest to the state–the operation will be based in Ayr in Scotland–no Irish labour/services except where provided free-.

    (2)The State will be covering the past expenses of these private foreign companies

    (3)No royalties will be paid to the state–apart from the highly likely back handers given to Bert and co for selling out Irish independence.

    (4)The only land based refinery in the world will discharge toxins into the air,sea and drinking water where many people live.

    In other words despite all this governments sneeking around and sucking up to multinationals–with all their devious and underhand practices they are getting done–what a pack of idiots,

    If the protest continues will Shell fund and equip death squads to deal with these Mayo people like they did in the Niger Delta.

  • martin

    Jimmy Sands,

    no melodrama–just used the example of Nazi Germany as a clear cut example of where you would more than likely be ruled by the dictates of your own conscience rather than the Law.

    The elected government and the courts are probably the last people who should decide lesser/greater evil judging by their past behaviour.

    The high Court in its decision is breaching the mens absolute right to ownership of private property enshrined in the constitution, Noel Dempsey is shirking his ministerial responsibilities under the Constitution.

    And even from corruption perspective that guides this government–they got a very poor deal (but ive no doubt brown envelopes from shell come into it)—-

    (1)The entire Corrib gas field handed over to foreign based multinationals with no interest to the state–the operation will be based in Ayr in Scotland–no Irish labour/services except where provided free-.

    (2)The State will be covering the past expenses of these private foreign companies

    (3)No royalties will be paid to the state–apart from the highly likely back handers given to Bert and co for selling out Irish independence.

    (4)The only land based refinery in the world will discharge toxins into the air,sea and drinking water where many people live.

    In other words despite all this governments sneeking around and sucking up to multinationals–with all their devious and underhand practices they are getting done–what a pack of idiots,

    If the protest continues will Shell fund and equip death squads to deal with these Mayo people like they did in the Niger Delta.

  • martin

    Jimmy Sands,

    no melodrama–just used the example of Nazi Germany as a clear cut example of where you would more than likely be ruled by the dictates of your own conscience rather than the Law.

    The elected government and the courts are probably the last people who should decide lesser/greater evil judging by their past behaviour.

    The high Court in its decision is breaching the mens absolute right to ownership of private property enshrined in the constitution, Noel Dempsey is shirking his ministerial responsibilities under the Constitution.

    And even from corruption perspective that guides this government–they got a very poor deal (but ive no doubt brown envelopes from shell come into it)—-

    (1)The entire Corrib gas field handed over to foreign based multinationals with no interest to the state–the operation will be based in Ayr in Scotland–no Irish labour/services except where provided free-.

    (2)The State will be covering the past expenses of these private foreign companies

    (3)No royalties will be paid to the state–apart from the highly likely back handers given to Bert and co for selling out Irish independence.

    (4)The only land based refinery in the world will discharge toxins into the air,sea and drinking water where many people live.

    In other words despite all this governments sneeking around and sucking up to multinationals–with all their devious and underhand practices they are getting done–what a pack of idiots,

    If the protest continues will Shell fund and equip death squads to deal with these Mayo people like they did in the Niger Delta.

  • martin

    Jimmy Sands,

    no melodrama–just used the example of Nazi Germany as a clear cut example of where you would more than likely be ruled by the dictates of your own conscience rather than the Law.

    The elected government and the courts are probably the last people who should decide lesser/greater evil judging by their past behaviour.

    The high Court in its decision is breaching the mens absolute right to ownership of private property enshrined in the constitution, Noel Dempsey is shirking his ministerial responsibilities under the Constitution.

    And even from corruption perspective that guides this government–they got a very poor deal (but ive no doubt brown envelopes from shell come into it)—-

    (1)The entire Corrib gas field handed over to foreign based multinationals with no interest to the state–the operation will be based in Ayr in Scotland–no Irish labour/services except where provided free-.

    (2)The State will be covering the past expenses of these private foreign companies

    (3)No royalties will be paid to the state–apart from the highly likely back handers given to Bert and co for selling out Irish independence.

    (4)The only land based refinery in the world will discharge toxins into the air,sea and drinking water where many people live.

    In other words despite all this governments sneeking around and sucking up to multinationals–with all their devious and underhand practices they are getting done–what a pack of idiots,

    If the protest continues will Shell fund and equip death squads to deal with these Mayo people like they did in the Niger Delta.

  • martin

    Jimmy Sands,

    no melodrama–just used the example of Nazi Germany as a clear cut example of where you would more than likely be ruled by the dictates of your own conscience rather than the Law.

    The elected government and the courts are probably the last people who should decide lesser/greater evil judging by their past behaviour.

    The high Court in its decision is breaching the mens absolute right to ownership of private property enshrined in the constitution, Noel Dempsey is shirking his ministerial responsibilities under the Constitution.

    And even from corruption perspective that guides this government–they got a very poor deal (but ive no doubt brown envelopes from shell come into it)—-

    (1)The entire Corrib gas field handed over to foreign based multinationals with no interest to the state–the operation will be based in Ayr in Scotland–no Irish labour/services except where provided free-.

    (2)The State will be covering the past expenses of these private foreign companies

    (3)No royalties will be paid to the state–apart from the highly likely back handers given to Bert and co for selling out Irish independence.

    (4)The only land based refinery in the world will discharge toxins into the air,sea and drinking water where many people live.

    In other words despite all this governments sneeking around and sucking up to multinationals–with all their devious and underhand practices they are getting done–what a pack of idiots,

    If the protest continues will Shell fund and equip death squads to deal with these Mayo people like they did in the Niger Delta.

  • martin

    Jimmy Sands,

    no melodrama–just used the example of Nazi Germany as a clear cut example of where you would more than likely be ruled by the dictates of your own conscience rather than the Law.

    The elected government and the courts are probably the last people who should decide lesser/greater evil judging by their past behaviour.

    The high Court in its decision is breaching the mens absolute right to ownership of private property enshrined in the constitution, Noel Dempsey is shirking his ministerial responsibilities under the Constitution.

    And even from corruption perspective that guides this government–they got a very poor deal (but ive no doubt brown envelopes from shell come into it)—-

    (1)The entire Corrib gas field handed over to foreign based multinationals with no interest to the state–the operation will be based in Ayr in Scotland–no Irish labour/services except where provided free-.

    (2)The State will be covering the past expenses of these private foreign companies

    (3)No royalties will be paid to the state–apart from the highly likely back handers given to Bert and co for selling out Irish independence.

    (4)The only land based refinery in the world will discharge toxins into the air,sea and drinking water where many people live.

    In other words despite all this governments sneeking around and sucking up to multinationals–with all their devious and underhand practices they are getting done–what a pack of idiots,

    If the protest continues will Shell fund and equip death squads to deal with these Mayo people like they did in the Niger Delta.

  • martin

    Jimmy Sands,

    no melodrama–just used the example of Nazi Germany as a clear cut example of where you would more than likely be ruled by the dictates of your own conscience rather than the Law.

    The elected government and the courts are probably the last people who should decide lesser/greater evil judging by their past behaviour.

    The high Court in its decision is breaching the mens absolute right to ownership of private property enshrined in the constitution, Noel Dempsey is shirking his ministerial responsibilities under the Constitution.

    And even from corruption perspective that guides this government–they got a very poor deal (but ive no doubt brown envelopes from shell come into it)—-

    (1)The entire Corrib gas field handed over to foreign based multinationals with no interest to the state–the operation will be based in Ayr in Scotland–no Irish labour/services except where provided free-.

    (2)The State will be covering the past expenses of these private foreign companies

    (3)No royalties will be paid to the state–apart from the highly likely back handers given to Bert and co for selling out Irish independence.

    (4)The only land based refinery in the world will discharge toxins into the air,sea and drinking water where many people live.

    In other words despite all this governments sneeking around and sucking up to multinationals–with all their devious and underhand practices they are getting done–what a pack of idiots,

    If the protest continues will Shell fund and equip death squads to deal with these Mayo people like they did in the Niger Delta.

  • martin

    Jimmy Sands,

    no melodrama–just used the example of Nazi Germany as a clear cut example of where you would more than likely be ruled by the dictates of your own conscience rather than the Law.

    The elected government and the courts are probably the last people who should decide lesser/greater evil judging by their past behaviour.

    The high Court in its decision is breaching the mens absolute right to ownership of private property enshrined in the constitution, Noel Dempsey is shirking his ministerial responsibilities under the Constitution.

    And even from corruption perspective that guides this government–they got a very poor deal (but ive no doubt brown envelopes from shell come into it)—-

    (1)The entire Corrib gas field handed over to foreign based multinationals with no interest to the state–the operation will be based in Ayr in Scotland–no Irish labour/services except where provided free-.

    (2)The State will be covering the past expenses of these private foreign companies

    (3)No royalties will be paid to the state–apart from the highly likely back handers given to Bert and co for selling out Irish independence.

    (4)The only land based refinery in the world will discharge toxins into the air,sea and drinking water where many people live.

    In other words despite all this governments sneeking around and sucking up to multinationals–with all their devious and underhand practices they are getting done–what a pack of idiots,

    If the protest continues will Shell fund and equip death squads to deal with these Mayo people like they did in the Niger Delta.

  • martin

    Jimmy Sands,

    no melodrama-used the example of Nazi Germany to give you a clear cut example of where you would more than likely be guided by the dictates of your conscience rather than the law.

    The High courts decision is a breach of the mens absolute right to hold private property enshrined in the Constitution. Noel Dempsey is shirking his ministerial responsibilities under the same constitution,

    Even by the corruption ethos of this government Bert and co are getting a bad deal

    (1)The entire Corrib gas field has been handed over to foreign companies with no interest for the state.–sold out on independence.

    (2)all past expenses of these companies over past 25 years will be paid by us the taxpayers.

    (3)The Corrib operation will be based in Ayr, Scotland–entirely.

    (4)No Irish labour/services will be needed except that which is provided for free of charge by our pathetic government.

    (5)The only land based refinery in the world will discharge toxins into the air,drinking water and the sea-destroying much acqua life not to mention the environment and peoples health.

    (6)no royalties for stealing our off shore resource will acrue to the state.

    for all bertie and co-s sneaking around,underhand, sell out methods they are still being done–what a bunch of idiots.

    If the protest continues will Shell equip and fund death squads to deal with these Mayo people like they did in the Niger Dealta