DUP: disband IRA and accept policing…

There were some interesting developments in London yesterday, not least an obvious hardening in the DUP’s line from the comprehensive agreement they negotiated with the British and Irish governments last December. Ian Paisley: “We made clear to the Taoiseach that when he, the Southern Government, are able to say to us ‘we could share power with the IRA’, it would be time enough for the people of Northern Ireland to think of having them back in the government of Northern Ireland.”

More significantly, they are now saying that policing cannot be continually put on the long finger before a second comprehensive deal:

At the same time DUP sources last night signalled a further significant departure from the agenda for last December’s failed “comprehensive agreement”. The Irish Times understands the DUP would require any party entering government to signal its prior approval for Northern Ireland’s policing dispensation and the criminal justice system there.

  • spirit-level

    I’m in full agreement with alot of what the DUP says on policing, criminal justice, and end to paramilitary and criminality activities before gov’t. All you can really say is that Sinn Fein have blown it and their politics are way behind the mainstream domestically and internationally.

  • Raff

    Anyone who thinks that the DUP have any intention in sharing power with/being in some form of government with Sinn Fein is very deluded.

    In the above piece Mick Fealty reports an ‘obvious hardening in the DUP’s line, this from a group fronted by Ian Paisley!!

    Mr Paisley has been to the fore at every point in the most troubled times of the past four decades. He has inspired anti-Irish and anti-Catholic hatred and opposed ALL forms of compromise or softening of attitude towards nationalists. Neither this man nor his party have anything productive to add to the movement for peace in Ireland.

  • Adam

    The issue of whether the DUP are willing to share power or not is irellevant as things stand, the spotlight is on the IRA and Sinn Fein at the moment, and it won’t come off them until there is a significant change in their situation (and Paisley is right to wait for action over words).
    Once the IRA shut up shop (in whatever shape or form) and once Sinn Fein support the policing by the PSNI (which is a sure sign that their private army is no more), then we can see if the DUP are willing to share and then it can be an issue.
    The IRA should be smart about the whole thing and call the DUP’s bluff, at the moment they’re just giving them ammo.

  • Raff

    So what you are saying then Adam, is that the Provisional movement should give up all that they have fought and many have died for over the past 3-4 decades, on the off chance that possibly, maybe, there might be a chance that if Mr Paisley and co are in a good mood that nationalists, could possibly get a chance to take part in governing the six counties – possibly?

    “The issue of whether the DUP are willing to share power or not is irelevant(sic) as things stand”

    I would imagine that that is a crucial issue for Republicans!

  • spirit-level

    Raff
    If I may point out this: we as republicans are not doing reform to please paisley, we are doing it for ourselves, because we are better than a bunch of no good gangsters, thugs.. and will enter the political arena with our heads held high, and not be spoken to like paisley has recently insulted the Taisoceach. We will not react to his bully boy techniques.

  • bill

    Is Sammy Wilson prepared to break his links with the uvf ?

  • Raff

    No I am afraid you are not quite right there spirit-level. ‘We’ as republicans have been in the political arena now for quite a while, (in this current incarnation since 1981). I would greatly doubt that you and me are the same or similar in our political outlook; “I’m in full agreement with alot of what the DUP says” – Enough said!!

    And what about the ‘Rev’ Willie McCrea and his appearing with the LVF druggie/murderer King Rat?
    Also many of the DUP have been lurking on the fringes of various Loyalist groupings,( the Ulster Protestant Volunteers in the 1960’s to the Third Force in the 1980’s along with LVF in the 1990’s, and not forgetting the UVF), turning to condemn them when the spotlight is put on their relationship. Also Mr Paisley has a criminal conviction, and to quote Mr Paisleys Iron Lady – a crime is a crime is a crime!!

    And today the DUP are complaining that members of the human rights commission have links to the SDLP, even though a member of the DUP is on it, and NO representation for republicans. The DUP will never allow equality here.

  • martin

    IM just curious is sack cloth and ashes another precondition and what is the timescale if it is?

    does sack-cloth and ashes happen before decommissioning and disbandment or after decommissioning and just before disbandment

    If paisley gets sack-cloth and ashes will he then call fowl if the sack-cloth was partly made of nylon or not the right colour.

  • niemand

    ‘will he then call fowl’?

    Only if he’s a complete birdbrain.

  • Comrade Stalin

    “Once the IRA shut up shop (in whatever shape or form) and once Sinn Fein support the policing by the PSNI (which is a sure sign that their private army is no more), then we can see if the DUP are willing to share and then it can be an issue.”

    The DUP can either share power or take responsibility for leading us into joint authority. It’s crazy that you guys, after 30 years of being screwed by the British government, still haven’t realized that you have no authority to make or break a deal – the British government has.

  • Raff

    Many will argue that we have been screwed by Britain for much longer than 30 years, but you are quite right only the British will decide when they will allow the people here to have a very small say in the way they are misruled!

    Stormont rule is still not devolved government as many things including budgetary constraints are set in Westminster. Any form of government in the six counties will only be at the behest of, and answerable to, the British Government, (no, not the will of the people here).

    The little bit of power that those here are squabbling about though hinges on a fanatical group of right wing bigots, who do nothing but sow contempt and hatred no matter where they go. We even have the fallacy of them sitting on policing boards, which are (allegedly) trying to deal with hate crime while at the same time stirring up intolerance of any group that is not evangelical white heterosexual Anglo Saxon Protestants.

    And apparently Mr Paisley is not too pushed on the colour of the sack cloth, just as long as it is really itchy.

  • spirit-level

    Raff
    I bow to your analysis, the shame is greater on their side. What’s gone wrong with our PR machine

  • WindsorRocker

    “The DUP can either share power or take responsibility for leading us into joint authority. It’s crazy that you guys, after 30 years of being screwed by the British government, still haven’t realized that you have no authority to make or break a deal – the British government has.”

    I would rather they imposed something on me which was detrimental to what I believe in than accept the same just packaged up differently. It’s called respect and self esteem folks!

  • Comrade Stalin

    Windsor, in what way is sharing power with Sinn Fein detrimental to you ?