Tyson to quit after McBride KO

Mike Tyson is to retire after his knockout defeat by unknown Ulsterman Kevin McBride in Washington DC. Tyson gave up at the end of the sixth round against the 32-year-old Clones journeyman. A sad but probably fitting end to the sporting career of a man whose criminal acts, violent personality and psychological problems probably prevented him from being one of the all-time greats.

  • Sol

    “…prevented him from being one of the all-time greats.”
    I think he already acheived being hailed as a great a long time ago.

  • George

    totally disagree Sol,
    he could have been and when he burst onto the scene I thought he would but but the man descended into bumdom before he managed to nail down that “all-time great” tag.

    All-time heavyweight greats don’t get beaten by cruiserweights like Evander Holyfield in my book.

  • mick hall

    Sorry Sol, I agree with George on this, in any case there is more to being a great champion than ring craft. Although many will disagree, Lennox had it and above all else Ali had it, for not only was he a great champion, he was also a great man. In truth Tyson turned out to be a very leaky vessal.

    regards.

  • Gum

    George Best and Alex Higgins are rightly considered all time greats, despite their wasting of amazing talents and little return on their vast potential. I think Iron Mike can be put in that category too.

  • Paul Panther

    Tyson was a great. He was the youngest ever heavyweight champ and between 1985-88, when he was at his peak, he was destroying some very good fighters.
    The heavyweight division in the late 80s was much better than it was throughout the 1990s when bums like Bruno were winning titles.
    A 22-year-old Mike Tyson could have beaten Ali during his prime.
    Sadly, he threw it all away.

  • spirit-level

    Saw a documentary on Tyson once, he was primed to be a pitbull from an early age. Sad really

  • Blackadder

    The young Tyson probably deserves to be in the Top 10 heavyweights of all time, though I disagree totally with one poster that he would have beaten Ali in his prime. Did you ever see Ali before he went in prison, no one could get near him. He would have been too quick and clever for even a Tyson on top form.

  • Mario el Argentino

    Young Tyson would have beaten young Casius Clay in 5 rounds. Ali is my hero and I think one of the greatest fighters of all time, along with Roberto Duran, Joe Luis, Sugar Ray Robinson and Thomas the hit man Hearns. Ali was also one of the true showmen and political activist/athletes of all time. Truly the greatest, however, Young Tyson was a true gladiator. The best pure puncher boxing has ever seen. the best executed hook, he also knew how to cut the ring and he was a true sociopath who was out to take your head off. He also could take a punch. Watch the early fights of Tyson and Ali, no competetion. Tyson was more than just a hitter. After he came out of prison Iron Mike was done and washed up, but when Gus brought Iron Mike from Brownsville Brooklyn he was one of the best and most brutal fighters of all time. Iron Mike is hated by most of white america and his crimes were unforgivable. But If were talking boxing when Iron Mike was in his prime he would have beaten anybody. Young Ali beat a washed up Sonny Liston by dancing, Mike knew how to cut the ring and corner the dancing boxers and take away their jab and he was also the best counterpuncher. He could knock anybody senseless. But unfortunately he had too many demons and was perhaps one of the last sociopaths in the ring.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Personally I find watching two people beating the crap out of each other pretty distasteful, and a product of a bygone age.

  • Mario el Argentino

    You wuss.
    😉

    I suppose you prefer sending people to the gulags Joseph?

  • peteb

    Agreed, Comrade.

    There is a, perhaps, pertinent quote too, from Tyson on his retirement after this pay-cheque bout, any paraphrasing will hopefully be excused – “I don’t have the guts to dishonour the sport again”

  • Sol

    I find the only way young african men/women can get out of the gutter, is by being good at sport distasteful… a product of a twisted society.

    Sol

  • Blackadder

    Mario,

    Even when he was young Tyson’s head movement was predictable and we have no idea if his chin was good then because he was never really hit by any decent punchers. I don’t think Tyson ever fought someone in his heyday who would have moved like Ali.

    Ali had one of the best chins in boxing, and was also great at tieing fighters up at close range if he needed too.

    I am fairly sure Ali would have secured a comfortable points victory, or even a late stoppage if he had fought a young Tyson.

    I also think that a prime Larry Holmes may well have boxed the ears off Tyson. He is underrated nowadays.

    That said, I do think a young Tyson is a formidable match for any heavyweight.

  • Mario el Argentino

    Disagree Blackladder, I dont think the champ (Ali) would have been able to dance, he had problems doing it with a fighter who could cut the ring. Remember Frazier. He pummeled him and as great as Frazier was , he was nowhere near as good as counterpuncher as Iron Mike. Ali was able to do that with Foreman, even take Foreman’s punches in the fight in Zaire and waiting, waiting til George was tired and then let it rain on him. The champ (Ali) would not have been able to do that with Iron Mike. Have you seen the early bouts of a Young Mike? He was an animal. I think the only fighter who would have stopped him is the brown bomber.

    Again I think Casius Clay was one of the great ones, but I just dont see him taking out Iron Mike.

    I agree with you about Larry Holmes, he was a solid boxer, but I disagree that he would have beaten Tyson in his prime.

  • smcgiff

    I would agree with blackadder in that Tyson did not come up against any really good fighters.

    As for a young Ali versus a young Tyson – I’ve no idea. I suspect modern boxers may have the advantage of sports science. In the same way some’d like to think the Busby Babes could take on a modern premiership team, but I’d doubt it.

    All I can say for certain is that it’s definitely time for Tyson to retire when he gets beat by a white man! 😉

  • dsquared

    Since Ali took punches from Foreman and Frazier I think it’s controversial to say the least to claim that Tyson would have had too much power for him! Ali was also very good against counterpunchers, which is what Tyson basically was. Tyson, on the other hand, did not have a particularly good chin; I disagree with Blackadder that “we have no idea if his chin was good then because he was never really hit by any decent punchers” because he was hit by some mediocre ones (Douglas, Bruno, Holyfield) and it wasn’t any good.

  • Mario el Argentino

    He fought Buster Douglas, Hollyfield and all those guys when his career was over.

    Iron Mike had power, he could take your head off, and he was a great counterpuncher, lets not forget that debastating hook. he had a good jab. Did you guys watch those early fights? I dont know where you getting this he had a weak chin thing.

    The champ (ali) was also taken down by a mediocre fighter by the name of Leon Spinks. Losing to a mediocre fighter does not mean youre not great. It could mean lack of discipline which we all know Iron Mike lacked. I agreed he should have retired a long time ago.

  • Blackadder

    “Disagree Blackladder, I dont think the champ (Ali) would have been able to dance, he had problems doing it with a fighter who could cut the ring. Remember Frazier. He pummeled him and as great as Frazier was , he was nowhere near as good as counterpuncher as Iron Mike. Ali was able to do that with Foreman, even take Foreman’s punches in the fight in Zaire and waiting, waiting til George was tired and then let it rain on him.”

    Mario,

    Ali was not in his prime when he fought any of these guys, the 3 years in prison took the spring from his legs – if he had fought a young Tyson at this stage he may have been in trouble.

    When I say Ali in his prime I mean before prison – he was able to dance for prolonged periods in each round while using really accurate punches to good effect – watch his performance against Cleveland Williams for example, a masterclass.

    If Frazier had have fought him in this period Ali would have beat him convincingly. In that sense Frazier was lucky to fight an Ali on the way down.
    Likewise I am fairly sure Tyson would have succumbed to Ali pre 1968.

    P.S. I hope you don’t think I am being argumentative, I just love my boxing 🙂

  • Mario el Argentino

    As do I. I guess to some were just savages. ;)Sounds like you boxed before? I boxed a bit here in Argentina, but had no chance of becoming the next Carlos Monzon.

    As you can see I am alone in my defence of Iron Mike.

  • Blackadder

    “As do I. I guess to some were just savages. ;)Sounds like you boxed before? I boxed a bit here in Argentina, but had no chance of becoming the next Carlos Monzon.”

    Apart from boxing my mates in the backyard I never got to box, something I kind of regret. My Dad boxed a bit when he was young and always took a great interest which he passed on to me. My Dad comes from Clones so obviously was a huge Barry McGuigan fan, and went to his fights in the Kings Hall.

    I have read a lot about Carlos Monzon but never seen much footage – he looked really strong and lean, and his record is amazing. I wish he had been fighting in the 80’s against Hagler,Hearns, Leonard etc… would have been great fights.

    I agree with lots of what you say about Tyson, when I was watching him in the late 80’s he was scary. I still remember the day I got up in the morning and my Mum telling me he had been knocked out by Douglas, I was stunned and watched the fight over and over once I got a copy of it.

    Anyway, I am rambling now, but hopefully there may be another boxing thread we can hijack in the future!

  • Mario el Argentino

    Ive always wondered why NI hasnt had more fighters. They have all the ingridients: harsh neighborhoods, poverty, tough neighborhoods, unstable. lets hope NI produces a good fighter.

  • dsquared

    I think it’s genetics; like the Welsh and Scots, the Irish are in general blessed with this paper-thin white skin that cuts really easily and bleeds copiously. Lots of very good fighters from the Celtic fringe have failed to achieve their potential because of a tendency to lose on cuts against inferior opponents. Also, violent & poor kids in Northern Ireland have tended to be sucked into other lifestyles. Nonetheless, given the population I think that McGuigan, McCulloch and Magee is a pretty good haul over the last twelve years.

  • Fahim

    I have to disagree with the Tyson fans. Don’t get me wrong, I recognize that he was ferocious in the ring, but as someone previously stated he never had his chin put to the test. A young Ali would have done so while being able to avoid his devestating hooks and uppercuts. And when a younger Ali did get hit(which was rare), he abosorbed punches like a sponge does water. Tyson had everyone too afraid to even try to test his chin, and when he finally got hit hard, everyone in the division knew he had a glass chin and without that aurora of invincibility, everyone was ready to take a crack at him. Remember guys, all the training in the world can’t turn a glass jaw into a stone one. I’m more than convinced that a young Ali would have knocked Tyson out somewhere around the eight or ninth rounds..