Hain as an honest broker ?

BBC News Northern Ireland online reports “Northern Ireland Secretary Peter Hain has defended his ability to act as an honest broker in the peace process.” Doubts had been raised about Mr Hain’s involvement with the “Time To Go” movement and comments he made about partition during the 1970’s. Hain ‘can remain honest broker’

  • peteb

    Transcript of the interview is available here.. and there’s a link to the actual show – top right.

    Brian Feeney’s right about the Labour Party cabinet all having performed u-turns – to some extent.. but it’s a disappointing that, when asked about those views, Hain tried to spin his way out.

  • heck

    If one steps back from the local problems of northern ireland the issue is much bigger than peter hain. Patricia Hewitt and Harriet harman(?) were active in the civil liberties campaign, Big Tony, the liar, Blair campaigned for nuclear disarmament and the whole labour party once had a left wing economic policy and supported anti imperialism.

    Peter hain is a symbol of what has happened to a once proud polical party. We a few exceptions they have sold out for pay check and the chance to suck up to Rupert Murdock and george bush. very few in the parliamentary labour party have any principles left.

    Unionists have nothing to worry about with hain.

  • ulsterman

    On the subject of pay checks. Aint it interesting how the IRA fought a so called struggle of liberation for 30 years?. Then all of a sudden they became MPS and Ministers of HM the Queen at Stormont.

    The Pound talks. Hypocrites the lot of them.

  • heck

    Quite so ulsterman–

    if you guys had kept the GFA going you would probably have sucked in gerry and martin and have them sell out to the establisement, just like the british labour party. In voting DUP you “cut off you nose to spite your face.”

    Maybe the american conservatives have a point when the think term limits and a constant stream of new people are needed to promote change.

  • Davros

    Heck – you are quite new here – “ulsterman’ is a republican sock puppet who rather childishly tries to discredit Unionists and the unionist community with pathetic posts – don’t be fooled 🙂

  • Ulsterman

    I am neither. I am me and I can comment because I hace a brain and aint hoodwinked by nationalist and unionist bull…. .

    The DUP are a bunch of lunatics, a throw back to the religious wars of centuries ago. As for SF, they are a bunch of gangsters who somehow have managed to hi- jack the Irish Unity idea for themselves.

    As I said it would have been an anathma to any Republican to see SF accepting partition and becoming HM ministers at Stormont.

    When people vote here do they have a brain??

  • Mick

    Ball NOT man, please Davros!

    Yellow card

  • PS

    If a Tory minister had advocated a position whereby Northern Ireland should remain part of the Union for forever and a day, would it even be a issue?

  • Roger

    Mick

    That was uncalled for Davros made a genuine and correct point regarding ‘ulstermans’ attempt to pour scorn on the protestant community of NI by portraying them as narrow minded bigots he should be red carded.

    Well done Davros for bringing to light Ulstermans intentions I had been sceptical of him for some time.

  • Davros

    That’s pathetic Mick. I’ll leave you to enjoy your sock puppets.

  • Roger

    I am interested to see what actions will be taken against Ulsterman and his absurd posts that are disguised attacks on the protestant community.

  • Oilbhéar Chromaill

    it seems in the Alice in Blunderland world of the BBC and some sluggerites, you’re only partisan if you’ve expressed views in favour of republicanism. The so-called “uncovering evidence” of Peter Hain’s past PUBLIC statements is hardly a scoop…

    The same people are the most hostile to the Daily Ireland project simply because it is a good newspaper expressing views which they oppose. This is a type of fascism hiding under a thin veneer of so called ‘diversity of opinion’. The only diversity of opinion these people will defend is opinions which don’t clash with their own.

  • Mike

    “The DUP are a bunch of lunatics, a throw back to the religious wars of centuries ago.”

    Isd this the same ‘Ulsterman’ who was so fond of saying “The IRA and the Pope have been defeated”.

    I think Davros is in the right here. As I said on another thread, ‘Ulsterman’ comes across as a republican’s bigoted stereotype of a loyalist bigot.

  • Man Farang

    Peter Hain? A complete careerist concerned only for No.1!

  • Sandy Bay

    Peter Hain is the ultimate epitome of former lefty becomes New Labour spinmeister- but has his basic pro republican views changed?

    Look at the interview on the Politics Show. He doesn’t in anyway distance himself from the comments he made on troop withdrawal and his description of partition as the root of the ‘problem’. He did not try to defend his comments but neither did he try to renounce them. He merely said that the 1998 GFA ‘changed everything’ and added some irrelevant waffle about Nelson Mandela and the Berlin Wall.

    In fact look what he adds in the interview:

    “We now have a political process, we’ve had a period of parties that have been fighting each other quite literally with bombs and bullets, talking to each other, and having sat together in the assembly and sharing government with each other.”

    i.e moral equivalence between SF and unionists (and SDLP and Alliance) When were eg the Ulster Unionist Party or the Alliance Party literally (his words) fighting with Sinn Fein with bombs and bullets over the years?- I missed that one. It could also be interpreted as meaning that IRA violence was justified pre the ceasefires-“ We now have a political process…”

    Also, when taking about the present day he says:-
    “We’ll be launching the new public prosecution service in Northern Ireland tomorrow. I’ll be doing it in Belfast tomorrow. This is an entirely new era, in which criminal justice now exercised on an equal basis, not the old basis in which community division was a feature.”
    So he is saying (yesterday) that the system of justice and the courts in NI were partisan and partial.
    Therefore he bought into the republican version of the history of NI years ago when he was the lefty radical, and STILL believes it now he is the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland .
    It is also clear from the interview that another nice friendly P O’Neill statement will suffice from HMG’s point of view (no talk about IRA disbandment at all) and makes no provision for the re establishment of the Executive sans Sinn Fein.
    “once we get that credible statement, then we can get around the table and start to move forward”

    AND THE DUP WELCOMED HIS APPOINTMENT?!!!?
    the mind boggles

  • Catherine

    The same could be said for every Northern Irish Secretary since Mo Mowlam. Labour has clearly given up on putting any of its few competant politicians anywhere near us.

    The merging of the Wales and NI posts marks a new low in the Labour government’s attempts to wash its hands of Northern Ireland.

    Oh, and I don’t enjoy reading the Daily Ireland because much of it is badly written – does this make me fascist?

  • DCB

    Catherine

    Yes

  • Oilbhéar Chromaill

    Oh, and I don’t enjoy reading the Daily Ireland because much of it is badly written – does this make me fascist?

    Not necessarily – but it doesn’t say much for your powers of discernment and your appreciation of good journalism. If you’re saying there’s a quantifiable difference between the standard of journalism and of writing in Daily Ireland as opposed to any other Irish daily newspaper – or British daily for that matter – I agree with you. Daily Ireland is a far better written newspaper than any title you care to mention – but particularly the Irish News, the Belfast Telegraph and the Newsletter.

  • Man Farang

    The question as to why Peter Hain didn’t return to live in his native South Africa with the end of aparthied need not be asked.

  • Fanny

    Oilbhéar Chromaill’s assertion that Daily Ireland is much better written than any other newspaper in the British isles and possibly the world is an insult to the Catholic/nationalist people of the occupied six counties, who by failing to recognise its journalistic genius (by, for example, buying it regularly) have clearly revealed themselves to be a shower of ungrateful ignorant culchies. Damn them all! Damn them all to hell!

  • Oilbhéar Chromaill

    The only ignorant culchie around here, Fanny, is yourself.
    You make unsupported assertions about Daily Ireland and expect people to swallow them whole…..

    I stated my opinion and in the absence of a credible counter argument, citing examples etc, rather than the rantings of ‘ignorant culchies’ such as yourself, I think that I win the argument.

    seeing as your wife is from Andersonstown you’ll be familar with the expression: “go away and boil your head”

  • Oilbhéar Chromaill

    The only ignorant culchie around here, Fanny, is yourself.
    You make unsupported assertions about Daily Ireland and expect people to swallow them whole…..

    I stated my opinion and in the absence of a credible counter argument, citing examples etc, rather than the rantings of ‘ignorant culchies’ such as yourself, I think that I win the argument.

    seeing as your wife is from Andersonstown you’ll be familar with the expression: “go away and boil your head”

  • Dessertspoon

    “Peter Hain? A complete careerist concerned only for No.1!”

    In what way does this make him different to any other politician? I would say all of the NI Politicians are exactly the same which could be why most political comment on Mr Hains past has been moderate and underwhelming.

  • Fanny

    Not a very well-written response there Oilbhéar Chromaill. As you made the assertion I believe the onus is on you to prove that Daily Ireland is the best-written newspaper of “any title” anyone might care to mention. Is it, for example, better written than the New York Times? The Sydney Morning Herald? Isvestia?

  • OIlbhéar Chromaill

    Is it, for example, better written than the New York Times? The Sydney Morning Herald? Isvestia?

    You see, there you have it. You have to go to the top newspapers in the world to find a comarator to Daily Ireland. I don’t have to prove my opinion but your posting is an indicator that even you concede that Daily Ireland is far better than other daily titles in the sub province and, for that matter, Britain or Ireland.

    Isn’t it amazing? People like Fanny and Peteb and other similarly ignorant and illinformed commentators on Slugger constantly harp on about Daily Ireland – it only goes to show that the newspaper is relevant to them. They object to its editorial line for no other reason than it challenges them. They couldn’t say the same about any other newspaper in the north or any where else in Ireland or, for that matter, Britain.

    I don’t think Daily Ireland is the best newspaper in the world bar none – but it is the best newspaper in the world FOR IRELAND.

  • Fanny

    What about an Irish edition of the New York Times then?

  • Roger

    Why should the people of NI have to put up with Peter Hain as he is not in favour of the union remaining.

    I think the secretary of state for NI should be promoting and defending the link and not simply partisipating in the process because it is a requirement.