Loyalists beat woman with bats…

LOYALIST paramilitaries are suspected to have beaten a 56-year-old woman with baseball bats in her Ballymoney house and gave her 24 hours to leave.
UPDATE: The couple who live in the house say they are leaving.

  • jed

    Just another example of the on going loyalist paramilitary campaign.

    Unionist Men,Unionist women,Catholics,chinese,africans…

  • Mario el Argentino

    “He said anyone with information about those responsible should inform police so the gang could be put before the courts.”

    It is surprising that the police spokesman only had this to say. Shouldnt they say that these animal will be caught and the community can rest assure that the PSNI will not rest and will not leave any stone unturned until they are in a jail cell. And we will station a tank outside this woman’s home and shoot the first masked man we see.

    In most countries this causes absolute outrage. It is almost as the police are saying we will do the minimun to aprehend them, but we are not promising anything.

  • moyle rover

    Mosside is an awful twisted loyalist pit. A women I know lived in the village most of her life, she was doing well at work and bought a new car, a small hatchback. Some of the local community decided she was getting above her station and poured acid over it in her driveway. No one was ever prosecuted for that either. She had the good sense to move out, I wish this other woman a speedy recovery and future peace

  • grant

    I suppose in some respects she was lucky,she could have suffered the same fate as Margaret Wright.

    She was mistaken for being a catholic and was battered to death inside a uvf band hall and her body dumped in the back alley of a street in sandy row.

  • tober

    Yes, the ira need to disband and go away, but we all really need to start addressing the continued and relentless attacks from within loyalism against catholics,protestants and ethnic minorities

  • Not Blind

    Well await until I hear the Saint McCartney family speak….God bless their Holy name.

  • pop grt

    Well await until I hear the Saint McCartney family speak….God bless their Holy name.

  • heck

    She was really unlucky it wasn’t the IRA who beat her with baseball bats. If it had been she would have had the Downing Street Liar take her to Washington to meet President Bush and all sorts of unionist politicians, columnists, and bloggers would have taken up her case. Because she was unlucky enough to be beaten by loyalists her case will soon be forgotten.

    In spite of my cynical comment I hope she recovers quickly and the b******s that did it get what is coming.

  • heck

    She was really unlucky it wasn’t the IRA who beat her with baseball bats. If it had been she would have had the Downing Street Liar take her to Washington to meet President Bush and all sorts of unionist politicians, columnists, and bloggers would have taken up her case. Because she was unlucky enough to be beaten by loyalists her case will soon be forgotten.

    In spite of my cynical comment I hope she recovers quickly and the b******s that did it get what is coming.

  • barney

    A lot of republican commentators seem to enjoying the sufrering this poor woaman has endured simply because it gives them a stick to beat unionism with.
    On the other hand, it could be that unionsts are simply beating themselves…with baseball bats…again.
    BTW, the first sentence is strictly tongue in cheek. We usually have someone getting on their facetious high horse at this stage of a thread on unionist violence.

  • aquifer

    The law indulges sectarian and paramilitary conspiracies by treating the members as if they were ‘ordinary decent’ criminals, and their attacks are treated much as any two ordinary people ‘falling out’, with sentences to match.

    The systematic nature of these attacks should result in systematic approaches from the police and courts in dealing with them. Supporters and fellow travellers of these groups are as one with the perpetrators, and they should be identified, monitored, and harassed. If apprehended, these groups are wise to the laws of evidence and their ‘rights’, and will happily keep stum or give addresses knowing them to be false.

    Entrapment, suppression, and exemplary sentencing is the only answer to this fascistic epidemic.

    Sure we might have to relocate the intitial targets in these cases, but we are moving completely innocent protestants and catholics and others already.

    The law should stop pretending that video, digital camera, and radio data technology does not offer them the opportunity to identify and trap perpetrators. Simple stuff like mailouts and telephone enquiries to all householders in an area could yield dividends, and need not be done by ‘scarce’ police officers.

    Expensive? Subcontract the 24Hr CCTV survelliance to a shiite call centre in Iraq. Ethnic victimisation knows no borders.

    Human rights?

    The only rights innocent hardworking families have here is to pay taxes and keep their heads down.

    Hoodies rule and you pay. OK?

  • AugustusGloop

    I see its the new trend in republican circles to mock the McCartney family…did Gerry tell you boys to do it?

  • dee st

    The new laws on the flying of paramilitary flags and emblems is having little effect in East Belfast.Parts of the lower Newtownards/cregagh/beersbridge roads are covered in uvf banners,which were erected on thursday night.

    The images include balaclava clad gunmen and many have the inscription uvf 1912-today on them.

    So much for a new start.

  • ken

    I drove down the Cregagh Road yesterday and noticed that St George Cross flags have been put up on lamposts

    This is a new one on me.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Mario, the police do not put huge effort into catching the people behind attacks such as this because it is basically impossible to get people to testify. A work colleague suffered an attack like this a few years ago, and the police told her that they were pretty sure who was behind it, but that they did not recommend the matter be pursued since the organization involved would move to threaten any witnesses and bring further attacks to bear.

    It is true across the board, whether we are talking about republicans or loyalists. Look at how long it has taken to press charges over the Omagh bombing, despite new legislation being drafted and a heap of evidence being brought in – despite the scale of the outrage, there are a significant number of people who would rather the perpetrators go free rather than be caught out as a “tout”.

    I do not believe the police should be able to get away with escaping their investigative responsibilities, but at the end of the day it is not the police’s problem if significant numbers of people, and the politicians they elect, are basically either ambivalent about paramilitarism or are even connected with paramilitarism themselves. The police can’t stop people from supporting criminal organizations in the way they do throughout our society right now. It is a political problem, not a law and order problem.

  • Mario el Argentino

    That is horrible camarada Stalin.

    But I think it would help if the PSNI did not have such a defeatist tone everytime there is an attack like this. They should be forceful and promise the population that they will protect them and there are other ways to capture them than to rely on witnessess and in the most serious cases they should offer relocation and witness protection programs. you can not move forward in a society neighborhoods) that allows grown men to beat women with bats. it can not be dismissed as “those people” in “those neighborhoods” I think that if the middle and lower middle classess begin to act like its Not our problem is ‘those people” than it allows the paramilitaries in catholic and protestant neighborhoods to act like the police force and then the police force loses credibility and the decent people that want to help will never come forward because they view the police as imcopentent. I mean, if i were beaten in a tight knit neighborhood, and they came into my house here the police would not need witnessess. there are finger prints, there is my account, there are bruises , there are clues, enough to convict. for the police to say Please come forward sends a message that says We know youre not going to come forward, this is something we have to say.. and those statements are always followed by some politician condeming the act and thats the end of it.

  • Colm

    Perhaps the only answer to this ultimately lies in going straight to the top. The police, security forces, and intelligence bodies know exactly who the leadership of all the paramilitary organisations are. The government should introduce legislation allowing these godfathers to be held responsible for the actions of their organisations and should quietly and without fuss make it clear to them that from a given date these beatings and savage attacks must stop otherwise they will be jailed – for a long time and without recourse to claims of non involvment.

    Yes this involves a serious derogation from Human Rights norms, but sometimes lesser evils are needed to combat greater ones.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Mario, I agree with what you have said.

    But sometimes in this country it’s very hard not to have a defeatist tone. When people keep voting for paramilitary linked parties you’re pretty much defeated if your objective is to stop paramilitary activity.

    “and they came into my house here the police would not need witnessess. there are finger prints, there is my account, there are bruises , there are clues, enough to convict.”

    I don’t think fingerprints alone can convict someone. Remember, you’re not going to give an account to the police, because if you do the paramilitaries will come round and burn you out.

    “Yes this involves a serious derogation from Human Rights norms, but sometimes lesser evils are needed to combat greater ones. “

    Colm, I completely disagree. The same reasoning is used to justify the existence of paramilitary organizations in the first place.

    This is a political problem. Introducing legislation in itself cannot fix it.

  • Colm

    CS

    I respect your disagreement. I am uncomfortable about proposing such a solution myself, but I don’t see it as a political problem any more than the existence of the Mafia is. The existence of these groups may be rooted in historical political conflict in Northern Ireland, but nowadays this sort of brutality is nothing short of control by thuggery and fear from self appointed gangs who don’t actually need comminity support.

    In such a situation where the normal rules of criminal evidence actually hinder any serious attempt to deal with this, it become s aself escalating problem. The more intimidation these people carry out, the less chance of ordinary people coming forward, the more the thugs can get away with and so on and so on.

    Sometimes civilised order needs to get it’s hands dirty to protect it’s civilised space. At the risk of seeming hyperbolic, we couldn’t have defeated the Nazis without having to kill a lot of Germans – which ordinarliy we wouldn’t have wanted to do. In a different manner we may have to ‘kill’ the freedoms of some untouchables today to stop this savagery overwhelming our tomorrows.

    If these paramilitary groups have created a culture where justice under current rules cannot touch them, then we have to change those rules, hopefully for just a short while or see justice destroyed altogether.

    If as I suspect you still disagree, then what do you propose instead.

  • aquifer

    Yes it is a political problem. Gangs of thugs have power way beyond their number. We also have politicians who built careers excusing or supporting intimidation and criminality, and others who might wish to speak out forcefully against this contagion but cannot as their personal and family security resources are inadequate.

    If not witnesses, then what?

    “The more intimidation these people carry out, the less chance of ordinary people coming forward, the more the thugs can get away with and so on and so on.”

    A similar conundrum, where the threat of disorder was rewarded with parades stopped or progressed, led to the parades commission, a para-judicial solution to make rulings for the common good.

    We just need cross community grand juries or similar, with members who have their personal security assured, constraining the freedoms of perpetrators identified by good intelligence, electronic, tele-visual, or human.

    And the rulings against individuals need not be made public against their wishes, all they must do is comply or chose to go to jail.

    Is it impolite to be so obvious?

    Over to you Mr Hain.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Colm,

    My opinion is that too many people think that violence or intimidation, or the existence of paramilitary groups, is either sort-of “understandable”, or worse, is entirely justified. Going by the election results, considerable numbers of people right across our society believe that the paramilitary organizations associated with the political parties here, either directly or indirectly, are not a significant problem.

    Therefore, I think it needs to be made clear to people how the way they are voting is leading indirectly to the ongoing existence of thuggish organizations. Unless we change our political culture and how we decide who we are going to vote for, we will have to put up with paramilitary violence.

    I see the I’m-more-democratic-than-you perspective held by certain politicians, therefore, as a major obstacle to dealing with this matter.

    I agree with your point about the mafia, but I don’t agree that thuggery can continue to exist without some degree of popular support. Organized gangs of criminals who intimidate people, and yet have considerable popular support, exist everywhere and they are clever enough to know that they can exist for as long as they like so long as they have a groundswell of grassroots support; you only have to look at the turnout for the funerals of the Kray twins.

  • crow

    I would like the police to raid the houses of all the paramillitarys in the area of such a crime, and to keep on doing this untill they give up the people responsible.