No, no, never

In the face of speculation, the Sunday Herald points out why “proud Ulsterman” Martin O’Neill will never manage England.

  • John McCabe

    Unionists.Please note that the Herald refers to Martin O’Neill as both an Ulsterman and a foreigner!
    Ha! Ha!

  • CavanMan

    Martin would never get the job even if he wanted it, an irishman managing the England national team,that would be too much for a xenophobic nation like the english to accept

  • Sol

    your right there cavanman, the FA wouldnt even consider having a swede managing the team… err

    Sol

  • bertie

    JMcC

    In this context the author is designating everyone not English as foreign in relation to the English team as opposed to the UK. These foreigners include the Scottish and the Welsh.

    Sorry, as a unionist I can’t get over this.

    Those east of the Bann are foreign to me ;o)

  • John McCabe

    bertie

    My reading of it it that they regard Ulstermen as being just as foreign as Swedes! I very much doubt if the English would object to a Scot or a Welshman as manager as much as they would an Ulsterman.

  • bertie

    John

    You could be right, but its not the way I read it. This may be because I prefer the NI team to have a NI manager, after all we play Scotland, Wales and England so, for me, in football terms if you’re not NI you’re foreign (although I do support the other British teams if NI isn’t playing)

  • bertie

    ooops! my first post should have said “I can’t get annoyed over this” what a difference a word makes!

  • G2

    ‘Those east of the Bann are foreign to me ;o)’

    Anyone west of Craigavad are total foreigners.to North Downians. Especially those low type East Belfastonians who eat pastie suppers for breakfast.

  • GavBelfast

    Isn’t it amazing how contributors look for the slighest nuance to either try to score a point or either give or take offence.

    If only the people concerned would look at themselves!

  • ulsterman

    And what about Erikson, hardly English is he. You guys need to get a grip.

  • martin

    Notice that morris tribunal isnt getting the coverage that i would have thought it merrited,p.s i hate soccer it bores the piss out of me a good game of hurling cannot be beat

  • Oracle

    i hate soccer it bores the piss out of me a good game of hurling cannot be beat

    Presumably, that’s why hurling is such a worldwide success?

  • headmelter

    The English like to turn their defeats into valliant victories too much for a proven winner like O’Neill, who would most likely be successful,to be installed.
    Perish the thought they might actually win something we would never hear the end of it. On the other hand it might give us a break from the good old 1966 tale.

  • franc

    What happened in 1966 ??

  • PS

    1966 was a great year for English football.

    Eric Cantona was born.

  • Davros

    What happened in 1966 ??

    First recorded use of “800 years of Oppression” ?

  • andy

    What happened in 1966 ??

    Gusty Spence and the uvf started killing catholics as a reaction to ira violence.

    Oh thats right,the ira basicaly didn’t exist in 1966.

    Hmmmmm !!

    Reaction ??

  • Gum

    We managed to turn a post about football into a slagging match on the troubles in 17 steps (or posts).

    We are getting sloppy! This used to only take 10 posts! Get with it people!

  • andy

    Davros started it.

    The German ball was over the line in the 66 final
    anyway.

  • Davros

    Oh thats right,the ira basicaly didn’t exist in 1966.

    So who blew up Nelson’s Pillar in Dublin, March 1966 ?
    The UVF were formed after that bomb and killed one protestant woman and two RC men in 1966 – starting in May.

  • JGK/blue-kite

    Andy

    I think the third English goal was definitely a Special Branch job, the goalie was ex SAS working undercover wiz eine remarkable wunderbar Deutch azzent.

    Nein, nein, es ist nicht a goal, ok, kein problem.
    Tchuss
    Blue-Kite

  • Davros

    The German ball was over the line in the 66 final anyway.

    You guys still favouring the Germans ? LOL

    “As soon as the broadcast was over, Lapsy arrived back at our front door. ‘The OC wants you urgently in the back room of the Big Shot Billiard Hall,’ he said. I followed him round and when we got there the OC called us to attention. ‘I’ve just got word from Dublin. Great news. England’s difficulty is Ireland’s opportunity. They have fallen into our trap. Now they have Germany to face on the European front and ourselves lying in wait to attack their backs in a deadly pincer movement. They don’t know that for years the Frank Doherty Sluagh of Na Fianna Γ‰ireann have been organising and getting themselves into a state of military fitness to battle it out with them to the death. The time has at last arrived to start our battle.’
    The opening shots he ordered hardly matched such a grandiose build-up. We were ordered to get brushes and buckets and prepare whitewash to paint slogans on gable walls. I was not involved in the subsequent operation, but next morning on my way to work I saw the embarrassing results. ‘England’s difficulty is Ireland’s opera tune’ had been daubed on factory walls and gables all along the Falls Road. I prayed for rain.

  • Davros

    whoops – page 26, “Straight Left” by Paddy Devlin.

  • headmelter

    So who blew up Nelson’s Pillar in Dublin, March 1966 ?
    The UVF were formed after that bomb

    Forgive my ignorance but most of the murals round my district don’t want us to forget about the 36th Ulster division in 1916. Was the UVF formed in 1966 another splinter group?

  • Davros

    headmelter – the UVF formed in 1966 had nothing to do with the UVF of which you write, apart from appropriating their name. The IRA however had been in continuous existance since Partition.

  • bill

    “the UVF formed in 1966 had nothing to do with the UVF of which you write, apart from appropriating their name.”

    Perhaps that was the same mistake Sammy Wilson made when he was guest speaker at a uvf/rhc celebration on the Shankill road a number of years ago

  • D’Oracle

    Big Jack managed the Republic so why not MON for England -if theres a vacancy and he wants the job!

  • headmelter

    the UVF formed in 1966 had nothing to do with the UVF of which you write, apart from appropriating their name.

    This demonstrates a terrible lack of original thinking in early, contemporary loyalist development. But I must say the number of ‘new’ loyalist gangs formed since then have displayed a plethora of stylish , easy to remember acronyms for us.

  • Davros

    Headmelter – 1966 had two significant 50th anniversarys, Dublin and the Somme.

  • headmelter

    Davros
    The centenary doth approach.
    With the slow advance towards power sharing and cross community understanding do you think some money from the peace and reconcilliation fund could be allocated to the development of a hybrid from the easter lily and the poppy.
    We could then set a new date and commemmorate both anniversaries together in peace, love and understanding.

  • Davros

    headmelter – I don’t think the ones likely to be causing trouble are going to be listening. A plague on both their houses, Orange and Green.

  • DCB

    And like Big Jack if he’s successfull they’ll love him

    Think there would be more of a knee jerk reaction to a Scot taking over the team though.

  • beano; EverythingUlster.com

    “The English like to turn their defeats into valliant victories”

    Aren’t you a republican?

  • Gum

    Fair play to DCB and D’Oracle for talking footie! Seriously, isnt it sad we can turn ANY thread into another pointless argument on history and violence? If you remember the fuss over the appointment of Sven, I dont think the next manager will be non-english. Martin’s far too likely to win something for the FA to pick him anyway!

  • headmelter

    Aren’t you a republican?

    Am I ?
    I don’t see how my political views, what ever they may be, have a bearing on an observation that the English have a tendancy to spin a defeat into a victory of some sort.

  • Dessertspoon

    Perhaps Headmelter they were suggesting a case of Pot and Kettle in your comments.

  • beano; EverythingUlster.com

    Headmelter, I didn’t say you were I’m only asking. But thanks for clearing that up in my absence DS.

  • andy

    So who blew up Nelson’s Pillar in Dublin, March 1966 ?
    “The UVF were formed after that bomb and killed one protestant woman and two RC men in 1966 – starting in May.”

    Davros

    “Sporadic petrol bombing and vandalism aimed at catholic property had been underway since the start of 1966,particularly in and around the Shankill Road.”

    from uvf Jim Cusack/Henry McDonald

    Matilda Gould was unfortunate in that it was the first time that year that Spence and his cohorts had managed to kill someone.

    They had been trying to kill Catholics from the start of 66,so you’ll have to think of another reason to justify this sectarian campaign.

    Perhaps it wasn’t a reaction,perhaps it was just sectarian hatred.

    No doubt,you will try your best to think of another reason to rescue the credibility of the uvf.

  • Davros

    I strongly resent your assertion that I am trying in ANY way to ” justify this sectarian campaign.”

    you claimed :”Oh thats right,the ira basicaly didn’t exist in 1966.”

    The IRA bombed Nelson’s pillar before the UVF was formed.

    Those are the facts.

    ( delightful to see an IRA-groupie like yourself quote Cusack and McDonald …. the other hangers-on won’t be pleased, foolish bhoy LOL )

  • PaddyCanuck

    PS

    “1966 was a great year for English football.
    Eric Cantona was born.”

    Stop whinging about the old days, Manures day as come and gone!!!

    Go on the Mighty Reds!!! We are kings of Europe!

  • andy

    “IRA-groupie”

    A bit like a Davros uvf groupie ,only i don’t hide behind a false mask of portraying myself as being moderate.Your past will always catch up with you,Davros.

  • Davros

    That one hit home then πŸ™‚ I’m so glad.
    Still chuckling at you quoting Cusack and McDonald!

  • andy

    I know Henry

    He’s a nice guy.

    I was speaking to him a couple of months ago.

  • Davros

    I was speaking to him a couple of months ago.

    Jackanory, Jackanory, Jackanory….

  • headmelter

    Aren’t you a republican?

    Headmelter, I didn’t say you were I’m only asking.

    Beano
    The way you have phrased your question it would appear you assume that I am a republican and I was only saying that I have never stated I was or am.
    I’m worried you might ask what school I went to next.

    paranoia is a terrible affliction πŸ™‚

  • andy

    Jackanory, Jackanory, Jackanory….

    Very mature Davros

    You should get out more,you might meet some interesting people.

  • Davros

    Like you claim to have met Henry McDonald ? πŸ˜‰

  • andy

    Davros

    He’s not Brad Pitt

    Do you want his autograph.saddo

  • Biffo

    I can claim to know Henry McDonald, we went to the same school, and he was one of the gang in our punk rocker days, he used to fancy my sister. He’s come along way, fair play to him.

  • Celtic Fan

    Marting O’Neill (MON) is an Irishman, full stop. And it was a crap article in the herald anyway.

  • Davros

    Martin O’Neill is also from the British Isles , has worked in Britain for most of his professional life and is happy to accept British honours. Good luck to himand he would make a superb England Manager!

  • hagrid

    BBC: “Television replays showed Greek referee Kyros Vassaras being conned by Israel goalkeeper Dudu Awat, who feigned being hit in the face by O’Brien when no contact was made, however, FIFA do not recognise video evidence.”

    Well it seems people everywhere like to preserve their own blindspots – not just those on this forum who are offering the FA and Martin O’Neill politically correct positions.

    If Martin O’Neill were to be the FA’s choice and he were to accept the job, I’ll be putting more than a few pennies on England for the title in Austria/Switzerland 2008.

  • redpaul

    I know Henry but I’m not admitting it!