Irish Times: so good they printed it twice!

One of the best things to happen in the last few years viz a viz the expansion of the Irish press, was last week’s launch of the international edition of Irish Times – a lite version of the standard paper. A new international distribution deal with the FT has enabled readers across Europe and the North America to enjoy access it on a daily basis.

However, there seems to be a few teething problems. Much as we enjoyed it yesterday, we got a second helping of Vincent Browne’s piece on the Gardai again this morning. Indeed the whole of page 16 was a repeat. Em, a few cross words being exchanged in D’olier Street early this morning/late last night?

  • Joe

    There is an internet company called press display that has facsimiles of actual newspaper pages on the day of publication. They have agreements with 200 newspapers from 55 countries includeing the Irish Times and the Independant. The subscription is $10US for 31 newspapers each month. URL is http://www.pressdisplay.com

  • foreign correspondent

    Does anyone know if the IT international will be on sale in Spain, or how to find out if and where it is on sale here?
    I had a go at the IT just yesterday on this site, but it’s still the only decent Irish newspaper on the market at the moment, IMHO

  • la Dolorosa

    FC: I was lucky to be at the launch at the Embassy of Ireland in London last week. It is being printed in Madrid and I think will be available there and on some of teh Costas – eg del Sol, Blanca to start with.

  • Aaron

    Living in London, I’ve been able to buy the Irish Times since I got here four years ago. Granted, you had to know exactly which newsagents had it, and it didn’t get here until noon on the day of publication, but it was, at least, pretty much the entire newspaper as you get in Dublin. I don’t like the feel of the international edition, with no seperate sports section, and mostly in B&W.. and the extra 25p on each issue.

    On the other hand though, wider distribution is to be welcomed.

  • Niall

    “…. but it’s still the only decent Irish newspaper on the market at the moment, IMHO”

    foreign correspondent at June 2, 2005 01:52 PM

    Oh please; the Irish Thames is the height of smugness. It takes most of it’s intl news from the Guardian and has op-ed pieces from Fintan O’Toole and “everyone favourite’ Kev Myers – a Dunphy with a posh accent.
    Examples of smugness are it’s self-proclaimed handle “the paper of record” and the editorial apology for February’s MOB debacle by Myers. In the latter, the second line of the ‘apology’ complimented themselves for being at the forefront / instigator of the changes/improvements in Ireland over the last two decades.

    I had to laugh when I read their review of the 20th century around the time of Y2K. Most articles regarding the country’s fight for independence, any Irish early century politics, had to include pointed notes / disclaimers that the paper was inaccurate and publishing an establishment, anti-democratic, tiny-minority viewpoint. I think it still follows this vein.

    Recently the NYTimes was outed for publishing ghosted articles (Maryland sniper case) and have had to bring in a compliance officer to verify articles accuracy on a monthly (I think) basis. The Irish media is badly in need of something similar. The ‘crime correspondents’ in Ireland rag-papers continually report from un-named sources etc without follow up confirmation of their ‘guestimates’. This Terry Keane-style of reporting would be laughable if it didn’t have potential to have serious repercussions.

    Isn’t it ironic that at a time when true investigative journalism (Woodward & Bernstein’s Deep Throat) is on front-pages that the establishment / D4 mouthpiece is launching an intl version? Speaking of ironies where did they get the web address? Do they promote a British/Irish viewpoint as part of their charter/mission?

  • foreign correspondent

    Niall –
    The Irish Times is far from perfect, it’s just that it’s the best/only option we’ve got if you want to read an Irish quality daily. It does at least have some correspondents in other countries, not all of its foreign coverage is recycled from the British papers unlike the Indo…

  • D’Oracle

    All daily newspapers -starting with the big US titles -are in big trouble. They are past their sell by date ; the web/blogsphere is the future

    Foreign correspondent,
    Saw the Indo (but no ITimes) airside at Alicante Airport yesterday

  • Niall

    All daily newspapers -starting with the big US titles -are in big trouble. They are past their sell by date ; the web/blogsphere is the future

    Posted by: D’Oracle at June 2, 2005 11:39 PM

    I agree papers are in for a change but I don’t think the US one’s will be hit first or as badly as others as they have such a segmented market and generate such huge income from advertize. I ‘smugly’ look forward to the demise of the Irish Thames, if it’s to be, and think that the nuzhound site and this one will hasten things but I fear they won’t go quietly.

    Try the Sunday Business Post for authentic/genuine analysis of the biz in Irel, Eur and US. Most of the tabloids have good sports (incl DI). I don’t have much time for op-ed pieces as they seem to be unsubstaniated blather from over-paid, self-promoting windbags, which is what I try to avoid (I shouldn’t come to this site !??!).

    I feel that the The Irish Thames tries to project they are a fair and balanced media when, in fact, their London correspondent, FMillar, was a UU politian/leader candidate and their regular contributors, eg. Ruth Dudley Edwards is an leading southern unionist.

    Before you say….”what wrong with a paper from Dublin being unionist”, I say there’s nothing wrong with it but I’d like them to announce/proclaim their mission and allegiance rather than appear / project a non-partisan attitude.

    “The Irish Times is far from perfect, it’s just that it’s the best/only option we’ve got if you want to read an Irish quality daily….”

    Posted by: foreign correspondent at June

    Assuming you don’t live on “Ireland’s Green Sores”, based on your handle, why would you pay for a paper when you can get better from the web?

  • Joe

    everyone seems to be forgetting that the sources for much that appears on blogs are the various newsagencies

  • Mick

    “On the other hand though, wider distribution is to be welcomed”.

    Absolutely!! The times I have trudged various European capitals in vain hope of picking up any news from home!

    I think it’s a tough equation. Wider distribution probably means a lighter version!

  • Mick

    Niall,

    Remember to play the ball not the man!

    Personally I think the death of mainstream journalism has been greatly exaggerated. There’s a lot stuff below the waterline that bloggers are not yet in a position to pull it off. Although you might be interested in this post from a few months back on the subject.

    Every paper I’ve ever read has it’s own biases. I’m not sure that the Irish Times can be hung for having its own set. It may have published Ruth on an occasional basis, but it’s also had think pieces from Gerry Adams.

    It has a reputation for solid reporting. Frank Millar, for one, is a diligent and rigourous journalist and interviewer. He only occasionally reports on NI. And their Northern Irish team is excellent. I’m only sorry we don’t cover them more often. But the subscription lock is a powerful disincentive for blog links if most of our readers cannot go there.

    All of which raises an interesting question. Can any news source be objective? John Lloyd in his essay What the media are doing to our politics suggests that only publicly funded bodies like the BBC or RTE can strive towards (if not ever achieve) objectivity in their news reporting.

    BTW, none of the papers you mention are commonly available in Britain, never mind anywhere else.

  • la Dolorosa

    Niall re the IT”s web address.

    They mentioned at the launch that were very lucky in acquiring it some years ago for the princely sum of 50 dollars or pounds (can’t remember which) but still a bargain.. and that they were the first Irish and oif not major braodsheets to launch a web version of their paper back in early/mid 90s.

  • foreign correspondent

    And call me a Truddite if you like but despite the undoubted virtues of the internet I still like to read an actual physical newspaper, and not only rely on the electronic version.
    I actually bought the Irish Sunday Independent a few times here, because of the novelty value of being able to get an Irish paper in the news-stands here in Madrid. Such a complete and utter waste of four euros…

  • foreign correspondent

    er, better make that Luddite. Time for an intravenous caffeine injection, methinks…

  • Niall

    I fail to see how I can be warned to “Remember to play the ball not the man!”

    I criticised the Irish Thames and their journalists. It’s a publically traded company and they are employees of the company. They are also public figures and put themselves and their opinions/views out to be discussed by the public.

    I don’t see voicing opinion on those who write OP-ED articles can come under the remit of the “play ball not man” restriction of this site. Saying Roy Keane played a crap game is totally different from saying he’s an ugly bollocks.

    My previous postings fell under the former analogy of Mr Keane rather than the latter (I have no opinion of RK’s looks).

    The rule is necessary in blogging, very necessary when discussing NI, but should be clarified. If you have time please email me to explain my indescretions else I’ll feel that you and I have opposite opinions of the Irish Thames and you envoke an obscure rule to cloud my postings. Until then, goodbye.

    PS. Having Gerry Adams as an occassional guest writer is not comparable to FMillar (formerly of the UU) and Davey Adams (Loyalist) regular contributions.

    PPS. May I suggest that you look at the NYTimes’ comliance articles and avoid the potential of a Newsweek Quaran-in-the-bog-type / Irish Thames’ MOB debacle happening here on your site.

  • Mick

    Niall, you could not be more welcome.

    The rule is simple and straightforward. For instance your (snipped) reference to Dunphy was a man not ball comment of the type you’ve just given in the Keano example.

    You may take it that the criticism does not apply to the extant post.

    I am more than happy to correspond by email. But I am not so happy to have spent so much time today pruning or pulling off posts!

    PS: It helps when making an argument that someone/thing is biased in their reporting that you give examples.

    Simply asserting that because someone has a political past they are de facto biased is likely to be misunderstood as playing the man rather than the ball, and is likely to be removed!

  • D’Oracle

    Hell we all like real and meaningful nerwspapers but -particularly the editions you can get abroad are often 24+ hours behind the state of play. On a lot of things now old info is just plain dangerous as a basis for action.
    In the US theres a further problem – netsavvy people have twigged that the main papers are just neocon corporate propaganda on things like social seurity abolition and Iraq so they’re not buying them anymore.

    There are still real newspapers in Europe with cred – I accept they’ll be around for a while yet but I still say they’ve passed their high point ;blog news comes from a far wider range of uncompromised sources than embedded, (featherbedded?)newsagencies : the Murdochs havnt got total control of all info sources – not yet