Adams denies republican involvement in threats

Gerry Adams has denied that anyone in the Republican movement was involved in the arson threats to members of the McCartney family. The family believe their brother’s murderers are behind the threat. Nevertheless, the suspicions are unlikely to go away anytime soon.

  • Davros

    That’s surely a hostage to fortune from Gerry. There’s no way that he can “Know” that no republicans were involved. Even if we take him at face value and accept that he genuinely believes that no republicans were involved, he could be mistaken as he was when he denied that one of the 3 men arrested in Colombia was connected to Sinn Féin.

  • stevo

    Davros

    He’s a politician,its what politicians do.They deny things.

    Robinson and Paisley did the same thing when questioned about ulster resistance.

    Willie Mc Crea denied having previous dealings with Billy Wright prior to the stage incident in Portadown

    The list is endless

    The can all be mistaken

    They can all be forgetful when it suits them

  • PatMcLarnon

    Adamas was quite explicit on the BBC that he was aware that there were ALLEGED threats and as such he went through the motions and condemned them. The only source for these allegations are the PSNI and given that source the thread will divide along familiar lines.

  • LURGAN SPADE

    How convient Gerry…Now hold on a minute,Is there someone other than the republican movement with a grudge against the McCartney family.I think not!

    But know doubt as per Radio Ulster this morning Gerry knows more than anyone about what was originally called by Sinn Fein ‘part of the ongoing knife culture in Belfast’

    And after all it’s the PSNI’S fault is’nt it Gerry?..If it was’nt for those pesky ……

  • Davros

    Still no comment about that virus Pat ?

  • headmelter

    The PSNI seem awfully good at obtaining information but not so good at obtaining anything which may be of any use in a court.
    Then again policing NI style seems to require being able to sit in a landrover, agitating people in nationalist districts or hiding behind bus shelters with speed guns. Their previous favourite pastime of assissting loyalist death squads has been a liitle more difficult to participate in since they are too busy selling drugs or quarrelling with each other.

  • Henry94

    If somebody made a threat then they should be arrested. If the source of the threat can’t be identified then we are talking about an anonymous threat. I think that even the thickest republican would know that a threat to the McCartneys would lead to exactly the reaction it got. So I find it hard to believe that the source was republican. But of course if anyone has any evidence that it was then I would accept it.

    Could it have been the sisters themselves trying to keep their story alive? Too risky I would say without even considering motive and disposition.

    Could it have been anti-Sinn Fein (dissidents, loyalists, MI5) people trying to keep up the preasure. They would be capable of it wouldn’t they?

    Could the PNSI have made it up? Possibly played it up.

    Conclusion. We haven’t enough information to form an opinion on who is behind this. Unless someone can bring more facts to the discussion than as pat said we will just divide along familiar lines.

  • Davros

    Conclusion. We haven’t enough information to form an opinion on who is behind this.

    Sensible post Henry, which makes Adams categorical denial of republican involvement appear even stranger.

  • Gerry Lvs Castro

    ”While he was in the station 10 members of Sinn Fein, including four local councillors and Shankill bomber Sean Kelly staged a protest outside the police station to highlight their allegations of security force collusion in loyalist murders.”

    Hilarious! Perhaps we should all protest outside Gerry’s house to highlight the Republican movement’s collusion in hundreds of murders of police, army and (overwhelmingly) innocent civilians.
    The people carrying out SFs hypocritical and increasingly tiresome protests would be much better employed taking their election posters down.

  • George

    When someone rings the Police threatening to shoot someone or burn them out of their home the object is to create paranoia and fear and scare them away from were they live. A terrorist gunman or arsonist intended to carry out such an action does not give a prewarning of his intentions. He just carries the action out.

    The McCartney sisters ongoing campaign has already lost a precious councill seat from SF to the AP.in East Belfast. So there are many republicans in the Short Strand area very angry and aslo very guilty about the murder of McCartney.

    To frighten the McCartney sisters to leave the Short Strand area was the goal here. The arson threat is highly unlikely to come from anyone else other than a republican.

    If the leader of SF has evidence that it was not a republican then he would be foolish not to hand that evidence over to both the PSNI and the media.

  • Related Short Strand Resident

    Could it have been the sisters themselves trying to keep their story alive?

    Why Not ?

    Could it have been anti-Sinn Fein (dissidents, loyalists, MI5) people trying to keep up the preasure. They would be capable of it wouldn’t they?

    Definitely!

    Could the PNSI have made it up? Possibly played it up.

    MOST DEFINITELY!

    People wise up here can’t you see what is going on ?
    As if so called “criminal elements” are going to get in touch in any way with the PSNI to let them know that they are going to burn anyone out – GET REAL!

  • Davros

    As if so called “criminal elements” are going to get in touch in any way with the PSNI to let them know that they are going to burn anyone out – GET REAL!

    How come the Police knew about the 1,000 bomb that was intercepted in Derry ? By your “reasoning” surely it could be written

    ‘As if so called “terrorists” are going to get in touch in any way with the PSNI to let them know that they are going to have a bomb in Derry – GET REAL!’ ?

  • PatMcLarnon

    Davros,

    I haven’t used that email address for months and certainly have’t accessed it since changing my computer in December. I just keep it on to act as a lightening rod for some of the more forthright comments.
    Anyone trying to contact me through that address is backing a loser.

  • Davros

    Thank you Pat, I didn’t think you would have been at that sort of thing, but thought it worth mentioning in case you have inadvertently picked up a virus yourself.

  • PatMcLarnon

    Davros,

    thanks for the warning, seems like someone tried to pass it on to my good self, and there’s me just minding my own business.

  • Comrade Stalin

    “As if so called “criminal elements” are going to get in touch in any way with the PSNI to let them know that they are going to burn anyone out – GET REAL!”

    The PSNI are frequently in touch with republicans including Sinn Fein members to inform them of threats on them by loyalists. Sinn Fein members who are threatened quite justifiably discuss the threats openly with the press. I’ve never seen anyone on this thread claim that loyalist threats relayed by the PSNI are fabricated.

    There are a variety of ways that the police can become aware of threats, not just by the protagonists phoning up to tell them all about it.

  • bill

    “To frighten the McCartney sisters to leave the Short Strand”

    Only one sister lives in the Short Strand

  • barney

    Further down the line we can expect demands of Gerry Adams to prove no republican involvement in the loss of a family pet, the car getting shunted in down town traffic, slates blowing off in the last high wind and the McCartneys’ not winning the Super-Roll-Over-Lucky-Lotto-Jackpot-Bonanza (despite clear evidence ‘from the grapevine’ that that at least one sister bought a ticket).
    We can all look forward to still other startling developments in this gripping saga.
    Any chance of Eastwood’s giving odds on the next McCartney headline grabber?

  • finn69

    The sisters have repeatedly vouched that their brother was a SF voter, i wonder how he wouuld feel about their campaign costing SF a council seat, or the public damage they are doing to SF?

    Only Robert knows but did he think that the people attacking him were representing SF or the IRA. One person knows what happened and who did what, yet the last I heard he was in a hospital bed with a police guard. When are we going to hear from the surviving victim.

    Overhere in the south east of England a few weeks ago a young lady was stabbed in the neck. She communicated by blinking within days and gave a description and the police now have a suspect. GO FIGURE.

    As for the republican threats, lets stick it on the list.

    Castlereagh breakin
    Spyring at Stormont
    Bank Robberies

    its got to be the same people, maybe its the chef who Orde has yet to arrest even with 3000 pages of evidence against him and his wife and kid on a witness protection scheme

  • bill

    The surviving victim, Brendan Devine, is due in court next week for sentencing on a charge of g.b.h. He is charged with stabbing a door man outside a bar in Belfast, 2 years ago.

    His co-accused is the brother of the main suspect in the murder of Robert Mc Cartney.

    I think Devine has also outstanding charges which relate to an armed robbery.

  • Comrade Stalin

    “She communicated by blinking within days and gave a description and the police now have a suspect. GO FIGURE.”

    I’ve done my figuring, and recall that the police aren’t welcome in certain communities. Personally I think the police should go in and arrest whoever is necessary, but then there’d be pressure on the peace process caused by the heavy-handed actions of the PSNI. Go figure, yourself.

    Still finding it amusing that the republicans are complaining “we did it, how come they’re not arresting us?”.

  • Tired of the smears and denial

    Laurence McKeown How he can pen this with a straight face is incomprehensible:

    Republicans have a humanity, derived to a large extent from the suffering our community has experienced – often at the hands of the RUC – but also because republicanism is about an objective, an ideal, a better way of life. It’s not about bitterness, revenge, or gloating, nor do republicans personalise conflict. They can argue vociferously against their opponents’ views without degenerating into personal abuse and bad manners.

    Months of reading Slugger’s comments on the McCartney murder has shown the opposite to be true. Then again, maybe McKeown has been reading Slugger and hearing the way “republicans” get on and he is telling these people to wise up?

    Unlikely to be sure, but why be a cynic?

  • finn69

    I am not the only person to post here about the unfair uneven censorship. But nothing seems to change

    When I look back and see what you lot have censored from my posts compared to this rubbish it annoys me no end, either drop the

    “Slugger O’Toole records news, commentary and diverse opinion on Northern Ireland”

    or drop the pro-unionist censorship slugger, you cannot have it both ways

  • finn69

    I’ve done my figuring, and recall that the police aren’t welcome in certain communities. Personally I think the police should go in and arrest whoever is necessary, but then there’d be pressure on the peace process caused by the heavy-handed actions of the PSNI. Go figure, yourself.

    comrade stalin, I’ll condense it for you, victim in hospital in GB gives description, suspect in frame. victim in hospital in NI, not a dickie bird. I don’t understand your post, why couldn’t the other victim give a statement from his hospital bed, or home again?

  • Mick

    Finn,

    “…or drop the pro-unionist censorship slugger, you cannot have it both ways.”

    I have a letter in my in box alleging quite the opposite – that there has been a gross indulgence of illigitimate targeting of critics by Republican commenters on the site. It highlights six different groundless and highly offensive allegations made against a single non Republican commentator, mostly by annonymous commenters on Slugger.

    There is only one rule on this site – that you talk politics, and cut out the personal stuff. I don’t care what anyone’s politics happens to be.

    If people behave badly their stuff will be cut. If the majority of bad behaviour comes from Republicans then the majority of the material cut here will be Republican. That’s not political bias on the part of the moderators, it is a reflection of the poor grasp politics that some of our contributors seem to have.

    I have to say that anyone, Nationalist, Republican, Unionist or Loyalist who thinks they are doing their own cause any good by throwing mud indiscriminately in the direction of their critics needs to go away and think again.

    Quality of argument wins the day every time!

  • George 2

    Gerry ” could be mistaken as he was when he denied that one of the 3 men arrested in Colombia was connected to Sinn Féin.”

    Gerry, could also be mistaken that the colombia three were just out visiting FARC for a little holiday . Surely Edna leahy cannot be making up all these stories to do SF down?

    Farc rebel ‘admits IRA trained him’
    Enda Leahy

    “THE commander-in-chief of the Colombian army says that a member of the Farc guerilla group who defected last month has admitted he was trained in terrorist techniques by the Colombia Three.

    It is the first report of a Farc guerilla to claim he was trained by them since two defectors refused to testify in the Irishmen’s 2003 trial.”

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,2765-1612854,00.html

  • Henry94

    The credibility of a grass multiplied by the credibility of the Colombian military multiplied by the credibility of The Sunday Times gives an infinity of incredulity.

  • Davros

    George – to be fair Enda is reporting a claim by a third party, and has not interviewed siad rebel 🙂

    “General Carlos Alberto Ospina says he personally interviewed the former member of Farc, who claims he was shown how to use explosives, landmines and mortars by the IRA team.”

    There will be those who will point out that General Ospina may not be telling the truth!

    The article does go on to report General Ospina’s observations on how FARC activities have changed that would , IMO, add credence, if true, to the claims that the IRA did help train FARC.

    ( Thanks for the name thing – it makes life easier! I’m easily confused 😉 )

  • Davros

    LOL – Henry beat me to it!

  • willowfield

    How does Adams know that the threats were not made by republicans?

    He can only know this if he knows the identity of those who made the threats.

    If he knows their identity then he should be turning them over to the police.

    Shame on those who made the threats. Shame on Adams for protecting them.

  • don

    And shame on those exploit the deaths of innocent people and use it for their own gain

  • PatMcLarnon

    I was under the impression that the police force was trying to turn itself into a policing service. Why it resorts to the old agenda of lies and leaks, especially at a time when it is trying to infulence opinion shows the degree of stupidity that still permeates every level of the force.

    It was the same story at the news conference to discuss the second anniversary of the disappearance of Gareth O Connor. The plod at the conference spoke of ‘somebody knowing something’. Fanstatic detective work indeed.

    The entrapment attempt by the police at Coalisland failed and the person best placed to name those responsible goes missing. Very convenient.

  • willowfield

    What “lies and leaks” are you talking about?

  • Mick

    Pat,

    I’ve removed a particular reference in your last post. It would help us greatly if you could source such claims to a news outlet, or share with us your own sources.

    Apart from anything else, it will keep us out of the libel court.

    Mick

  • Warm Storage

    Finn,

    “The sisters have repeatedly vouched that their brother was a SF voter, i wonder how he wouuld feel about their campaign costing SF a council seat, or the public damage they are doing to SF?”

    Quite possibly the most ridiculous comment I have ever read on this site…

  • bill

    3 of the McCartney sisters said they were Sinn Fein supporters