Daily Ireland: one third of jobs to go…

It looks like shocks waves have hit the staff of Daily Ireland. We’re hearing from reliable sources that up to one third of the staff are to lose their jobs. The story is that the blame lies with the Irish government for not advertising with the title. Though with the circulation figures due out in a few days time, others are already speculating that it may be to do with low customer take up.

  • beano; EverythingUlster.com

    Good riddance to bad rubbish. Almost enough to restore your faith in humanity.

  • Mick

    On the contrary Beano, it may be that some quality journalists (of which the paper recruited more than a few) are about to lose their jobs.

  • Davros

    Presumably they knew the risks involved when signing up to the new paper Mick ? I would suggest that the failure of the Daily Ireland reflects the lack of enthusiasm for Unification in Northern Ireland.

  • GavBelfast

    ‘Buy early, buy often’ hasn’t worked then?

    In my opinion, The Irish News is streets ahead in terms of being a good paper in this market, and I include all five Northern Ireland titles there.

  • Jimmy_Sands

    I don’t think that’s true. Certainly the AN has performed well for the group. The lesson may be that what they do simply doesn’t translate down south.

  • Davros

    Jimmy – SF have had 160,000 voters in the North – and if they were passionate about “the cause” surely the DI would have no problems in shifting most of the necessary 20,000 copies in the North alone ?

  • Biffo

    Jimmy

    “The lesson may be that what they do simply doesn’t translate down south.”

    Yeah, maybe they should have been doing more stuff on the Royal Family.

  • Biffo

    …and home makeovers

  • fatbuster

    Let us all take it as a positive sign that NOBODY has ever been able to make a go of a purely party paper in Northern Ireland – and Daily Ireland is only the latest in a long line of similar ventures, both attempted and considered, almost all of them pro-DUP.

  • Jimmy_Sands

    [quote]Yeah, maybe they should have been doing more stuff on the Royal Family.[/quote]

    Yep. That’s precisely the attitude that made them such a big hit.

  • john

    Davros

    I think the enthusiasm for unification in the six counties will be better gauged on election day.

  • Davros

    I think the enthusiasm for unification in the six counties will be better gauged on election day.

    How so John ? There are many, many reasons for people to prefer SF over the SDLP πŸ™‚ Better policies, better candidates and better work at the grass-roots levels. Unification is a minor issue at this election as it’s not on the cards for the forseeable future.

  • freddiescapp

    oh joy! oh bliss!

  • Davros

    Time for a joke :

    Descartes walks into a bar and asks for some scotch.

    The bartender asks him if he wants that on the rocks.

    Descartes says, “I think not”… and disappears.

  • freddiescapp

    for some reason pat mclarnon, middle class taig, henry 94 and all the usual suspects are not posting on this issue – i wonder why?

  • Mick

    Out canvassing? Please try not to make every issue a personal one!

  • Keith M

    The sooner this propoganda sheet is gone, the better. You can’t give it away in my my local newsagents!

    As for “some quality journalists”, they will always find work with a reputable journal.

  • john

    Davros

    Yes Sinn Fein may have better policies,candidates etc..

    But i think it is naive in the extreme if you believe Irish unity is a minor issue

    I have been canvassed twice in the last week by Sinn Fein and Irish unity was one of the main points used to persuade me to vote Sinn Fein.

    As regards when it happens

    The people will decide

  • Mick

    John, any more detail why the unity question convinced you? Who were you going to vote for beforehand?

  • Gonzo

    12 out of 38 jobs to go at DI, according to one of their staff.

  • freddiescapp

    been to see gibney yet, mick?

  • Henry94

    freddiescapp

    I can’t speak for the other two but I have enough to do commenting on what has actually happened rather than what someone (even “reliable sources”) claims is going to happen.

  • Keith M

    Henry 94 “I can’t speak for the other two but I have enough to do commenting on what has actually happened rather than what someone (even “reliable sources”) claims is going to happen.”

    So that’s one person that won’t ever be talking about a “united Ireland” again.

  • glens delargy

    I’m sorry if you don’t agree but to be fair to the paper it has made a bold attempt to go nationwide and hasn’t done too bad a job. DI should bounce back from this, the readership will continue to grow and grow as young people decide that the Irish News is just an out of touch middle-class nationalist paper….

  • Davros

    hasn’t done too bad a job.

    That it’s having to shed jobs would suggest otherwise.

  • GavBelfast

    Everyone else is out-of-touch. Surprise, surprise.

  • harry

    Davros

    The Newsletter has sales of about 20k (including the freebees)

    Does this reflect a lack of enthusiasm for the union

  • Davros

    harry – if , as I read elsewhere, The DI’s figures are between 4,000 and 6,000 , it bodes well for a referendum – 3-4 times as many want the UK as a united ireland πŸ˜‰

    The DI was hyped along the lines of ‘Do your bit for a United Ireland and buy the Republican daily’. I have never seen anything like that for the Newsletter in respect of the Union with GB.

  • Davros

    whoops- the bold was only supposed to be on “the”.
    Sorry.

  • harry

    Point being Davros

    The readership of a daily paper gives no indication of the trends towards or against Irish unity

  • Davros

    No harry – you brought up the Newsletter’s figures and I answered you πŸ™‚

  • harry

    Point being Davros

    The readership of a daily paper gives no indication of the trends towards or against Irish unity

  • Snapper

    Sorry to burst your bubble on this lads, but I have it on good authority that Daily Ireland has been reaching sales of approx 12000, admittedly many short of their 20000 target. I would be very surprised if the alleged layoffs are as biting as printed above, but if true, that in itself does not sound the death knell for the paper. Some of the comments above are as predicatble as they are sad. God forbid that a community releases a paper to fight it’s own corner against a backlash of pro british, pro norn iron, and more specifically anti republican vitriol. With respect the Irish News is an SDLP loving loo roll whose letter page editor is as anti-republican as they come(I also have that on good authority). Incidently that is their perogative and good luck to the Irish News, but they were at the fore in the shameful campaign to have Daily Ireland stopped in it’s tracks, and have no right (nor has anyone else on this site) to call for it’s demise. If you don’t like the fact that republicans have a point of view, and a right to have that view aired in an open and transparent way then tough – don’t buy the paper.

  • Davros

    If you don’t like the fact that republicans have a point of view, and a right to have that view aired in an open and transparent way then tough – don’t buy the paper.

    and don’t you ask us to fund your paper πŸ˜‰

  • Keith M

    Snapper, if the 12k figure is true then DI isn’t long for this world. That’s about one fifth of the worst selling national newspaper in the Republic (the Examiner). At those kind of levels, it’s just not going to get the advertising. Also I think you need to re-read the comments made. No one is suggesting banning DI, but people just don’t want to see a newspaper who’s sole contribution seems to be to cater for SF/IRA paranoia succeed.

  • NewYorker

    What daily papers do the posters on this site buy and read?

  • Gonzo

    Belfast Tele, Irish News, Irish Times (if there’s much northern news), News Letter, Sunday Times and Observer.

  • Snapper

    Keith M

    With repsect, Sylvia Hermon and Maggie McDowell headed a campaign to have funding removed from the Daily Ireland, and therefore it follows that their intentions were to have it stopped.

    I have absolutely no problem with people having fundamental disagreements with republicans but are you homestly telling me that in a relatively free society you wish that a section of that society should not be permitted a voice?

    Again, if you don’t like what the paper says, don’t read it. I have huge issues with the nonsense that passes for journalism at the Independent, but I read it on the web to gauge opinion and thinking, and sometimes for a good laugh!

    Just what exactly is wrong with a paper that openly and honestly projects a republican ethos? This was stated very clearly before it’s launch, so it shouldn’t have come as a shock. The only shock I suspect was that a group of people had the cahoonas to publish such a paper in a very hostile media environment.

    Live and let live Keith M.

  • Davros

    Snapper – do you think the DI should sink or swim on it’s own , or should it expect to be subsidised ?

  • Snapper

    Keith M,

    I agree – 12000 (if accurate) is not that encouraging. However, it is still very early days. I for one hope that they succeed.

  • Snapper

    Davros,

    My understanding is that funding was requested very genuinely on the basis that jobs would be created in an unemployment blackspot. The consequences on the exchequer are obvious.

    I also understand that when established the paper will no longer require funding and therefore be fully self-sufficient.

  • A.U.

    Levitas- please attempt to play the ball and try not to be vulgar.

  • Keith M

    Snapper “Sylvia Hermon and Maggie McDowell headed a campaign to have funding removed from the Daily Ireland, and therefore it follows that their intentions were to have it stopped.” Here’s a thought, how’s about a commercial venture succeeeding without being sunsidised by the taxpayer? The Irish taxpayer does not subsidise our national newspapers, why should the UK taxpayer subsidise one in Northern Ireland, let alone one that is so obviously in the pocket of one political party?

    “are you homestly telling me that in a relatively free society you wish that a section of that society should not be permitted a voice?”. Not at all, where have I suggested that DI be banned?

    “Just what exactly is wrong with a paper that openly and honestly projects a republican ethos?”. I come fromm a country where newspaper are generally unbiased and certainly challenge all political partties. I am not comfortable to see a section of the press turning into a group of nodding donkeys, let alone one that nod in the direction of a group of criminals and thugs.

  • Keith M

    What daily papers do the posters on this site buy and read?

    Monday to Wednesday The Guardian, Thursday to Saturday the Irish Times, Sunday the Sunday Times and Observor.

  • harry

    censorship is alive and well

  • Gonzo

    are you homestly telling me that in a relatively free society you wish that a section of that society should not be permitted a voice?

    So what’s An Phoblacht then?

  • A.U.

    Levitas – if you wish to be in control, set up your own blog. Being rude to moderators is counterproductive.

  • Snapper

    Keith M,

    The bottom line is that a huge section of the community in NI supports a Republican way of thinking. Unfortunately the local press and beyond have nerver articulated the thougts and aspirations of that community – in fact they have spent nearly every waking minute denegrating it. A shining example is the failure to reach an agreement pre christmas. Just about every single outlet blamed Republicans for the collapse because of a simple photo. Is it remotely possible that their analysis was wrong? Is it remotely possible that the DUP deliberately requested that which could not be delivered? Is it remotely possible that Republicans were right and the DUP were wrong? Of course it is possible. Did you read anywhere which suggested the DUP were wrong? I swear I scoured every paper I could get my hands on and not one blamed the DUP. How do you think that made the Republican community feel when they felt otherwise?

  • Snapper

    AU

    With respect – you have been very selective in your censorship as I have stated in previous threads. Levitas’ post was indeed vulgar – but you could have posted your ruling at the bottom of his uncensored contribution with a warning.

  • Davros

    Just about every single outlet blamed Republicans for the collapse because of a simple photo.

    Is that in itself not a republican interpretation which rather destroys your case snapper ? Refusal to end criminality had a large part to play in the December fiasco.

  • Snapper

    Gonzo,

    An Phoblacht is a weekly. Keep up.

  • Keith M

    Snapper “a huge section of the community in NI supports a Republican way of thinking.”, given, but with those kind of circulation figures it’s obvious that not many people want a “republican way of thinking” masquerading as a NEWSpaper.

    Regarding the issue you raise on the failure of SF/IRA to come up with what was necessary to reach an agrement before xmas, it wasn’t just the newspapers, it was both governments and all the other parties in Northern Ireland and the Republic that felt the same. Some truths ARE self evident. I did see criticism (in the IT and the SBP of Paisley’s sackcloth and ashes comments).

  • Levitas

    AU I merely think you are being a little over-zealous in your moderating capacity my friend,I do not think that is being “rude” I consider it a valid expression of opinion.

  • A.U.

    Snapper – I removed the post for both multiple man-playing and vulgarity. I have removed many more posts than those by Levitas for the same reasons.
    Levitas is quite capable of expressing himself or herself in a manner appropriate for this site.

  • Snapper

    Davros,

    Interpretion = Point of View. I thought that was my exact case, Republicans never had an outlet for their point of view which could compete on a daily basis.

    “Refusal to end criminality had a large part to play in the December fiasco.”

    I beg to differ, the DUP et al blamed the failure on Republicans refusing (rightly) to be humiliated over a photo.

  • Levitas

    I presume jacko will be similarly reprimanded for “vulgarity” or is there a particular type of vulagarity you react to?

  • A.U.

    I do not think that is being “rude” I consider it a valid expression of opinion.

    But it’s my opinion as a moderator that counts Levitas. You are more than capable of expressing yourself without being vulgar or man-playing. There are some important issues that could and should be discussed here in respect of the Daily Ireland.

  • Snapper

    Keith M,

    Daily Ireland has nothing to hide.

    Is it remotely possible that you are wrong on who was to blame for the collapse?

  • harry

    Is there a refusal to accept that criminality exists within unionism.

    Constitutional unionism,that is.

    Raymond Ferguson (ulster unionist mla) – fraud & theft
    Alistair Patterson(ulster unionist chief executive) – theft

    There are more to the list

    the fraudsters and gangsters that frequent the associations of unionism have to cast out the criminals from within before they can lecture others within this community

    Does the paramilitary connections with the third force/ulster resistance etc..

    Ring any bells

  • NewYorker

    Dear Gonzo and Keith M.,

    Thank you for answering the question on which daily papers you buy and read. Compared to Americans, you read many more daily newspapers; and, that is a very good thing. The only paper I read every day is the NY Times. If there is major business news I am interested in, I’ll pick up the Wall Street Journal.

    When I’m in Ireland I read the Irish Times and the Guardian. And, sometimes The Independent. I think you have more quality papers available than we do. Most Americans rely too much on TV news, in my opinion.

    I’ll be interested to see if there are any more answers on Friday. I wonder if any of the posters actually buy a copy of Daily Ireland.

  • vespasin

    Harry

    While it is not my job to defend the UUP it takes a major stretch of imagination to jump from two individuals who accepted bribes or fiddled their grant claims, or whatever they may have done, on a personal basis to the IRA/SF authorised robbery, extortion, beating and shooting that go on an a daily basis.

    I know Alister Patterson was replaced by the UUP I don’t know about Ferguson or if his case has come to court.

    All parties have members who break the law on a daily basis, ask Fianna Fail about drink driving in Donegal, but it is neither authorised nor condoned by the leaders of the party.

  • Richard Delevan

    What is this obsession with equating censorship and a decision not to support something with advertising cash?

    If the State declines to give me a car, they haven’t banned me from driving.

    If the State (either one) doesn’t send cheques to a newspaper, it ain’t censorship.

    Pretending it is is just sophomoric.

  • pakman

    Harry

    I’m no fan of the UUP Assembly party but even they don’t claim Raymond Ferguson as an MLA. They do of course have Michael Copeland …

  • beano; EverythingUlster.com

    NewYorker, delayed answer I know, but the days I pick up a paper would be the Belfast Telegraph, NewsLetter and when it first came out, the Daily View (coming up to an election may not have been the best time to release a non-party-political newspaper, eh?). I have (once) read the Irish News, which wasn’t half as unpleasant as I thought it might be, and if I’m going on a business trip, I’d pick up one of the former UK broadsheets for the plane.

    As far as the DI goes, I refuse to buy it on principle. I have however, checked out the occasional article on their website.

    And this nonsense about “banning the DI” just because we don’t want to see it succeed is the exact reason I want it to fail. It’s just another outlet for all those MOPEs out there who get enough coverage as it is.

  • Northern FF

    Why are people complaining here about hostility to Daily Ireland? The newspaper business is open and fair, all the northern dailies are roughly the same price, and we all get to choose exactly what we want to buy.

    If Daily Ireland really is selling 12,000 (I don’t accept this is genuine, because I live in South Armagh, a supposed heartland, and they can’t give the thing away) then it’s clear that the paper just isn’t worth the price and people don’t want to buy it. Is that not perfectly fair?

    The alternative position, as proposed by the paper’s publishers, is that the State should be subsidising the newspaper. But isn’t that the sort of argument you would have seen in Communist era Russia? Hang on…

    And another thing, did we not have a lengthy discussion yesterday about the people of West Belfast being entitled to reject any extension of the British State into their area? Does this position not extend to Teach Basil??

  • Davros

    The alternative position, as proposed by the paper’s publishers, is that the State should be subsidising the newspaper. But isn’t that the sort of argument you would have seen in Communist era Russia? Hang on…

    Welcome to the 32 county socialist republic of Ireland, twinned with North Korea πŸ˜‰

  • McStick

    Daily newspapers are notoriously difficult to launch. People are habitual purchasers of the same paper (and other things – think about how often your shopping contains the same brands), there is enormous competition, most of which is supported by sizeable marketing budgets. The Independent in London has not made a profit after almost twenty years. So the DI was always going to be difficult to sustain. Advertising spend is based on circulation, and budgets are smaller in local markets, so generating money is challenging.
    These facts are independent of the political stance of the paper – the Daily View will also have to justify itself soon.

  • Handout

    Bad business sense to calculate your labour costs relying on advertising bought by the government, no? Was one third of their workforce really dependent on the Irish government paying for them (via advertising)? How much did the British and/or Irish government (in various forms) give to DI to get it started? Does this mean DI is basically a government funded paper that is unsustainable without their support?

  • Gonzo

    While many readers obviously disagree strongly with Daily Ireland’s outlook, there were some decent reporters there (Connla Young springs to mind) and I hope the ATN group looks after them properly for taking a chance with the paper.

    The News Letter advertised for page editors yesterday, and the Belfast Telegraph is also looking for production journalists (basically, they both need bodies on the subs desks), so perhaps there might be avenues for ex-DI staff there. The Irish News is also seeking journalists, which might be the first port of call. It’s an excellent paper to work for.

    There seems to be a reasonable amount of work going around in the local press, and even while a new job might be some way off for those leaving DI, there could well be shift work at the other dailies until something turns up. I’m sure the NUJ will have some role to play.

    Some staff may also be able go back to other ATN group titles.

    It’s all very well people gloating at the misfortune of a republican newspaper, but the journalists who threw their hat into the ring with the paper have had to put up with a lot.

    I am disappointed that the ATN group appears to have given in so quickly. A new newspaper requires years, not months, to build a core readership. For the ATN to have such little faith in their flagship paper is shortsighted and obviously brings into question the strategy employed by those at the top.

  • A.U.

    Jacko- why not just write that you considered that it was a bad paper? Being vulgar adds nothing to the discussion and ensures that your post will be wiped.

  • Carrington

    This is all John Lairds fault! and the British establishment and the 99.8% of the population of Ireland (Orange Statelet and Partitionist Sell-out State) who don’t read our paper!

  • Davros

    I am disappointed that the ATN group appears to have given in so quickly.

    martyrs and victims have been a bit thin on the ground of late Gonzo.

  • Oilbhear_Chromaill

    Richard Delevan,

    A number of years ago the state threatened to withdraw its advertising from the Sunday Independent, part of the group for which you occasionally report if I’m not mistaken, because it felt an article ridiculing the disabled by Mary Ellen Synon was published in its pages.
    The result – she was sacked by the paper. So much for principles and independence. It just goes to show that government advertising is used by the state to keep newspapers in line to some extent.

    So before you mouth off again about Daily Ireland seeking a level playing pitch, consider that you may be living in a glass house.

  • Oilbhear_Chromaill

    Richard Delevan,

    A number of years ago the state threatened to withdraw its advertising from the Sunday Independent, part of the group for which you occasionally report if I’m not mistaken, because it felt an article ridiculing the disabled by Mary Ellen Synon was published in its pages.
    The result – she was sacked by the paper. So much for principles and independence. It just goes to show that government advertising is used by the state to keep newspapers in line to some extent.

    So before you mouth off again about Daily Ireland seeking a level playing pitch, consider that you may be living in a glass house.

  • Oilbhear_Chromaill

    Richard Delevan,

    A number of years ago the state threatened to withdraw its advertising from the Sunday Independent, part of the group for which you occasionally report if I’m not mistaken, because it felt an article ridiculing the disabled by Mary Ellen Synon was published in its pages.
    The result – she was sacked by the paper. So much for principles and independence. It just goes to show that government advertising is used by the state to keep newspapers in line to some extent.

    So before you mouth off again about Daily Ireland seeking a level playing pitch, consider that you may be living in a glass house.

  • mucher

    OC,

    Mary Ellen Synon has denied she was sacked from Independent Newspapers. The paper concerned had published an apology for any offence her article caused. She took issue with this apology and resigned. She was not employed by Independent Newspapers but was a freelance journalist.

  • PatMcLarnon

    ‘for some reason pat mclarnon, middle class taig, henry 94 and all the usual suspects are not posting on this issue – i wonder why?’

    Mick got it 100% ,on the election trial in sunny Carryduff.

  • PatMcLarnon

    trail lol, had enough of trials.

  • Gonzo

    What’s the feedback like in Carryduff then (West. or council)?

    I’m presuming it’s SF you’re canvassing for!

  • PatMcLarnon

    Gonzo,

    council only although some are doing both, feedback is polite and friendly rather than enthusiastic. Only there last night as a favour usually confined to N Belfast where if Cobain could get his act together a real surprise would be on the cards.

  • Gonzo

    Reckon you’ve a chance? The SDLP are pretty ineffective in Castlereagh.