UUP's fight getting tighter?

Hmmm. Daily Ireland has the understatement of the year. In reporting Ian Paisley’s controversial (though not entirely uncharacteristic) remarks about the rope and the electric chair, this report writes: “Among the UUP-held seats now looking decidedly shaky in face of the DUP assault are” and then goes on to name every single UUP Westminster seat. It even includes Sylvia Hermon’s seat in North Down primarily on the basis of a rising DUP vote and the absence of Bob McCartney this time. We still think it will stay with Hermon, but that could change when we hit the ground.

  • Casual Observer

    >> MP Roy Beggs snr (pictured left)

    Seems the Daily Ireland doesn’t know it’s left from it’s right 😉

  • pakman

    Nor does it have the wit not to sound like a school magazine by constantly referring to “Mrs Hermon”. Is this some sort of Provo “Press Gang” escapade?

  • Oilbhéar Chromaill

    If Daily Ireland is recognised as a republican newspaper, wouldn’t it be illogical of it to recognise the ‘honour’ bestowed on Mrs Hermon (her husband actually) by the ruler of a foreign power illegally occupying a part of another country?

  • kitty

    Speaking of Roy Beggs, did you all see the hilsrious scenes between he and wee Sammy last night?

  • pakman

    Oilbhear Chromail

    There is a difference between an in-house magazine peddling peddling “pseudo-republican claptrap” (thanks An Post)and a publication claiming to be a newspaper.

  • barney

    pakman,

    it would be useful for egalitarians like myself to know what your understanding is of the correct etiquette for the Hermons of this world. DI refer to her as ‘Lady’ and ‘Mrs’ in their article. Which of those titles causes you the most offence? Which one makes your life more bearable?
    This is a very important issue and we need to be told.

  • pakman

    barney

    the only issue is the quality of journalism at DI. Is it a newspaper or a series of op-ed pieces?

    As you admit to requiring etiquette lessons try here for starters.

  • fair_deal

    I expect the DUP to do well on May 5th and the UUP campaign has been poor. While the UUP has upped their game in terms of campaign materials etc the choice of a disastrous slogan, the clapped out bus, the banana skins of Copeland and Archer and the media/debate no-shows have dragged it down.

    However, there is a developing media frenzy about DUP performance with little fact to feed it. The only real new information that we have had is the bookies odds and David McNarry summation of 1 safe three to fight was valid and no different for what the BT/Newsnight poll and NIO polling showed up.

    For the DUP to gains seats from the UUP is a near certainty but the chances of a clean sweep while possible are not probable. Over-hyping may also demotivate some DUP voters and motivate UUP voters.

  • barney

    Pakman,
    Thanks! You couldn’t make it up. Who’d have thought Ruritania was so healthy? Just on a point of interest though, it seems DI got it right. “Untitled Ladies” come into the “Esquire” category and should be referred to “Mrs” in correspondence. Well done DI but your republican credentials have taken a knock.

  • pakman

    barney

    I think you will find, if you read carefully, that a Knights wife is never referred to as “Mrs”. Like so much else with DI they have got it wrong.

  • Ireland Today

    Sinn Fein is dancing on the grave of moderation and delighting in the resurgence of Paisleyism.

    Sectarianism is the life-blood of both Sinn Fein and the British. It proves them both right.

    The south should take Adams’ advice and stay out of the business of the north, which seems to be sectarianism.

  • peter

    The election is not over to the fat lady sings. Ever thought of tactical voting by Catholics to stop the DUP?.

    I do not believe the DUP will get anywhere near ten seats. N.DOWN, S.Antrim, S.Belfast,Fermanagh are all UUP possibilites. As is E.Antrim where Alliance and SDLP voters could stop the DUP. Upper Bann is also a UUP possibility. There is very many protestants who find the DUP a nauseating party.

  • pakman

    peter

    never let personal prejudice accomapy you to the bookies! Objectively, do you really think that Fermanagh & S. Tyrone is a UUP possibility? As for E.Antrim not even the UUP apparatchiks believe it can be held.

  • Mike

    If Daily Ireland is recognised as a republican newspaper, wouldn’t it be illogical of it to recognise the ‘honour’ bestowed on Mrs Hermon (her husband actually) by the ruler of a foreign power illegally occupying a part of another country?

    There is a real two-horse race between sitting MP Lady Sylvia Hermon

  • peter

    Ken Maginnis in 1997 polled 52% of the vote in Fermanagh. 2001 it was lost by 59 questionable votes. It could well be a surprise. East Antrim has 10000 Alliance and SDLP votes. There is a possibility that some of them could vote tactically. It has happened before in S.Antrim to keep McCrea out.

  • pakman

    peter

    Lord Maginnis (see above) is not standing, the UUP are opposed by the DUP. Having canvassed in F&ST I agree with Arlene Foster that the next MP will be a woman – it’s just a question of which one.

    Beggs is incapable of attracting tactical votes because in 1998 he was anti Agreement, he then became embroiled in the “Stig of the dump” affair, Trimble helped him out he now says he is pro Agreement. The Alliance Party are running a campaign which tells their voters that there is no difference between the UUP and DUP and Danny O’Connor will get every nationalist vote out of community solidarity.

    S. Antrim is interesting, I agree. Do you think since 2001 Burnside has courted or alienated his nationalists? If he wins it will be because of the DUPs’ choice of candidate.

  • Mike

    pakman

    Has Beggs said he’s pro-Agreement?

  • idunnomeself

    ‘Out of North Down’s population of almost 86,000 over 81 per cent are Protestant and 12 per cent Catholic according to the last census, so even though the SDLP and Sinn Féin are putting candidates up they will not take the seat in this unionist stronghold’

    ‘even though’..

    you couldnt make it up..

  • The Gent.

    Kitty,

    I missed the craic on tv last night.

    What happened?

  • beano; EverythingUlster.com

    Pakman – there is no question over which woman will win FST – it will be Gildernew by some considerable majority. The question is whether or not Foster will outpoll Elliott.

  • fair_deal

    On the earlier debate on this thread about the standard of DI journalism I present to you the following piece of evidence

    “Along with contesting the local government elections, Mr Shannon will also be trying to unseat Ulster Unionist MP Sylvia Hermon on the same day in the North Down Westminster elections”

    This is the web address (have never managed to crack hyperlinks)

    Edited to restore format A.U.

  • fair_deal

    AU

    Thanks for sorting out the hyperlink

  • Rebecca Black

    haha, great article fair deal!

    You would think people would look at a map before writing an article, poor guy has got awfully confused about Strangford and North Down. Iris and Peter Weir will be shocked at the “news” that Jim Shannon is running for Westminster!

  • Rebecca Black

    As for Sinn Fein taking a seat in Ards Borough Council, they have certainly plastered the town with alot of posters, but I don’t think they really stand a chance.

  • Traditional Unionist

    Whatever Daily Ireland do, they cant ever be as bad as Billy Kennedy in the newsletter. Anyone been reading his council analysis this week? does anyone bother to read them before going to print?!

    almost as good as his designating joe o’donnell as DUP last year!

  • Mike

    My 11.30 should have read –

    Oilbhéar:

    “If Daily Ireland is recognised as a republican newspaper, wouldn’t it be illogical of it to recognise the ‘honour’ bestowed on Mrs Hermon (her husband actually) by the ruler of a foreign power illegally occupying a part of another country?”

    Funny, the article starts with…

    “There is a real two-horse race between sitting MP Lady Sylvia Hermon”

    The Daily Ireland being illogical? Shock horror! Hold the front page!

  • fair_deal

    TU

    Agree I can’t understand how he survived the revamp at the News Letter

  • Traditional Unionist

    don’t think youve ever agreed with me before………. i’m choked…..

  • peter

    The weakness in a DUP candidate in Fermanagh is that the DUP is very weak in the constituency. I live in Fermanagh and it has always been UUP.

    The Newsletter needs to advise candidates here and in S.Belfast who to vote for as I for one just dont know.

    I want SF out. So advice please.

  • fair_deal

    TU

    LOL! Once is accident, you don’t have to start worrying until the second time we agree

  • Traditional Unionist

    I want SF out. So advice please.

    Tom Elliot’s your man.

  • peter

    Thats who I thought TU.

  • fair_deal

    Peter

    Arlene Foster is the one to vote for in F&ST (and that is from someone who she hates the sight of)

    TU

    Have you now deliberately chosen to now comment on something on which you know we’ll disagree 😉

  • Traditional Unionist

    Are you calling me provocative? You nasty man.

    (and that is from someone who she hates the sight of)

    Disharmony in the DUP? i won’t have it!

  • fair_deal

    TU

    I am not a member of the DUP so I’m sorry to disappoint this is not an example of DUP disharmony.

    In fact, her personal dislike of my humble self stems from when we were both members of the UUP.

  • yerman

    ‘Traditional’ Unionist
    “Tom Elliot’s your man”

    Maybe you can help me track down the exact date he had the Damascus Road conversion from being anti-Agreement to another one of the Trimble suicide squadron?

    He used to be a member of Union First alongside Arlend Foster and was firm in the belief that Arlene Foster would make the best MP for Fermanagh South Tyrone back in 2001. What on earth has changed or is it that getting the grand buy-off from Trmble and being Cooper’s new golden boy has meant that the sniff of power and money caused him to throw what few principles out the window. He would throw his backbone away too, but as yet he is still to find some.

  • pakman

    peter / TU

    party politics aside, the lead unionist in F&ST is Arlene. I have been on the door step in the constituency and would put my house on her beating Eliot. So, if Eliot is in third place why would any unionist vote for him unless they subscribe to the Cooper/ Maginnis mantra of “anyone but Arlene”- even if it allows SF/IRA misrepresentation of the constituency to continue.

    You should also ask around to try and guage whether or not Eliot has the stomach for the fight. Rumour has it he was keen to back out at a late stage. Hardly the candidate to beat Gildernew.

  • Traditional Unionist

    party politics aside, the lead unionist in F&ST is Arlene

    sure she is, tell you what, i’;lll gladly take your house off you

  • pakman

    Traditional Unionist

    I based my 526pm post on overwhelmingly positive canvassing in Eliots’ back yard and feedback from the rest of F&ST. What’s your basis for the pro Eliot post?

  • arthur

    There is no evidence in North down that peter Weir is taking the seat, DUP vote will go due to McCartney not standing, however Weir is not popular and the DUP choose the wrong candidate. i will still vote for the DUP however, but Easton would have been a much more popular candidate!

  • arp

    I think the DUP may well do better on polling day in North Down.

    Better than Alderdice, Carter, Logan, McCrory and Robertson that is.

  • pakman

    arp

    how well will Alderdice do?

  • pakman

    arthur

    “Easton would have been a much more popular candidate”

    more popular with whom?

    What’s your feel on the UUP mood in North Down? Can Hermon improve on the Assembly result? If so from where and if not why can’t Weir win?

  • bertie

    Peter
    If you want to know who is most likely to beat SF in F&ST look at the Eastwoods odds. Bookies don’t base their odds on sentiment or wishful thinking. Not many poor bookies about. Arlene is your best chance.