Never mind Troops – get the postboxes out?

Sinn Fein have been given a quick and not so positive response from An Post in the Republic over their call to have post boxes closed. The post boxes in question happen to have been used from the pre-partition period and have Royal Insigia on them.

Update: In something of a disparity with their southern colleagues (not the first time – don’t mention the Euro), Sinn Fein in Omagh dont mind postboxes with Royal Insignia on them so long as they are painted green.

  • maca

    Hello Clive!

    Good response by An Post,
    “They were bequeathed to us as part of the postal services, and are part of our culture and heritage, and we have no plans to make changes on the basis of any pseudo-republican claptrap”

    Save the post boxes!!

  • MikeH

    That’s just pathetic! (but hilarious..) Speaks volumes about them…

  • Davros

    That’s a magnificent response. Shame on Sinn Féin for being so petty and precious.

  • Seamusin

    i’m a shinner and a gaelic speaker, but i have to say i kinda like to see the odd old post box around, its kinda quaint and hardly threatening. i’m pretty surprised the we’ve got into this one.

  • willis

    Surely Sinn Fein could show an example here and only communicate in irish

  • Henry94

    I doubt this report is true. Smells like dirty tricks to me.

  • barney

    Something fishy going on here. The only item in the story that can be checked turns out to be false. Seán Crowe is TD for Dublin South West and is the party’s spokesperson on Science and Education and Community Affairs. Not ‘Spokesman for Communications’. There’s more than a whiff of invention about this one.

  • FDJ

    Huraay for denial of our history!
    This is absolutely laughable. Obviously SF is so focussed on the northern elections that the southerners have been left to their own devices – with magnificent (if predictable) results!
    When Swift said we should ‘Burn everything English except their coal’ did he mean postboxes too??

  • Jacko

    As well as the psuedo-republican claptrap line, I loved this from An Post as well: “You might as well say that the fine building that is the GPO, in O’Connell Street, that was opened in 1826 with its pillars and portico, should be demolished to make way for some modern republican building.”

    Obviously there will be no more deference to the fascists.

  • Davros

    Not that different from the childish OSF antics of painting post boxes in NI green. That’s the sort of thing I’d expect from the Young Unionists.

  • barney

    “Not that different from the childish OSF antics of painting post boxes in NI green. “

    According to my old teacher, the only significant thing any Irish government ever did was paint the post boxes green. And that was long before the PD’s had even been invented.

  • circles

    I might be daft at times, but I ain’t falling for this.
    A dodgy story if ever there was one

  • yerman

    circles
    “I ain’t falling for this.”

    Are you suggesting that Sinn Fein didnt make the call for these post-boxes to be removed or are you saying that An Post didnt issue the response?

    Or are you suggesting that the newspaper entirely fabricated the whole story?

  • hensons

    this is ridiclous – i would like to kwow though was sean crowe asked what he thought about the post boxes and then the jorno built the story around it. i know of no statement from Crowe on this.

    i am shinner and am happy for the post boxes to stay – they have been gaelicised by painting them.

  • Henry94

    yerman

    Or are you suggesting that the newspaper entirely fabricated the whole story?

    Do you find that hard to believe?

  • yerman

    Henry94
    Frankly I do find it hard to believe that they would attempt to completely invent a story which would could so easily be disproved.

    If Sinn Fein haven’t made this call then they can prove that reasonably easily and the same goes for An Post. Newspapers sometimes might stretch at the margins with some stories, but they would rarely make up an entire story from scratch!

  • Henry94

    yerman

    I believe they often make stuff up. This does seem like a tough one to get away with but it seems incredible to me that An Post as a semi-state company would make such a political statement. It would be a huge story if they did. So we’ll see.

    As of now I am unconvinced.

  • barney

    Yerman,

    Which elements of the ‘story’ are inventions, distortions, mis-quotations, fabrications, imagination, second hand, third rate and hear say may never be known, even by the author. How much of it do you believe?

  • Dessertspoon

    Republicans are they paranoid? This gross overreaction to a non-story would strongly indicate they might be.

    It may very well have been the work of an opportunist journalist who having asked Mr Crowe about the boxes or heard him make the statement then went to An Post for a response thus making something out of nothing (which is their job). To say that it’s a fabrication with the implication being – they’re all out to get us is – is ridiculous. It’s meaningless and possibly a slight embarrassment for Mr Crowe personally and nothing else.

  • Oilbhear_Chromaill

    If it were true, and I doubt if it is, it would be akin to the DUP asking for ‘Irish’ to be dropped from the title of the British and Irish Lions. And that story is true…
    Or how about the story of the DUP MP who issued a statement criticising Irish signage on buses only to be told it was en Francaise…

  • Billy Pilgrim

    Och it’s all a bit of a laugh isn’t it?

    Must say I’m surprised at Crowe, he’s normally a pretty shrewd operator and spends more of his time working on social issues in his constituency than getting into northern-style sham fights over symbols.

    It certainly could be a case of a journalist drawing Crowe out over a jar in the Dail members bar or something like that. Hard to believe he would sit down and craft a statement to this effect, raising an issue that I’m surely nobody gives a damn about.

    Great response from An Post though. Surprising that a semi-state body would be so forthright but fair play. It is indeed claptrap.

  • Circles

    Oli C – no need for whataboutery here. We all know the DUP are mad as hatters.
    And to yerman – you surely don’t believe all you read in the press.
    I agree with DessertSpoon that this is a non-story, and his/her version of events are probably closer to the truth. However to correct his/her republican paranopia theory – I didn’t see any poster on an “they’re all out to get us” trip. I think this one has got so many posts because its just plain silly – and we all love a bit of silly don’t we?

  • yerman

    Of course I dont believe every dot and comma which appears in our esteemed newspapers.

    However, I would be utterly astounded if this story was crafted from absolutely nothing. There must have been some comment made by Sean Crowe, maybe tenous, and possibly expanded a little by the paper, which has been the basis for the story.

    If this story is an absolute fabrication then no doubt Sinn Fein &/or An Post would be calling for a retraction!

  • Scarlet

    Part of our mutual heritage, respect for the tradition of others etc etc

  • yerman

    With some of the reaction to this story I wouldnt be surprised if someone claims that its smear tactics by the securocrats!

  • barney

    While we’re on the subject of silly non-stories… Does anybody know if it’s true that a Tullamore town councillor once proposed buying a gondola for the Royal Canal to attract tourists. Another councilor then suggested he buy two so that they could breed.

  • Henry94

    I do think a sceptical stance towards stories in the press is well south of paranoia.

  • yerman

    barney
    I’m nearly sure thats an urban myth. I head a similar story supposedly from Belfast council when someone is supposed to have asked how much these gondolas would cost to feed.

  • barney

    “If this story is an absolute fabrication then no doubt Sinn Fein &/or An Post would be calling for a retraction!”

    I would hope that both SF and An Post have better things to do. Unlike us saddies on Slugger.

  • willis

    Has anyone contacted Andrew Bushe for a comment?

  • Keith M

    Why stop at the post boxes? The logical conclusion of this claptrap is that we sould be pulling down the Customs House and the Four Courts which still have insignita dating back to when we were part of the UK.

    If you ever wanted evidence of the shallow vindictivness of SF/IRA, then this is it.

  • Davros

    It’s pathetic to see some members of Sinn Féin behaving like Young Unionists. This issue was handled, with a lot of debate, in a sensible and sensitive manner in the immediate aftermath of the WOI.

  • maca

    It’s smear tactics by the securocrats, I tell ya!

  • Circles

    NURSE!!!
    Keith M is having one of his turns!

  • Ringo

    Barney –

    While we’re on the subject of silly non-stories… Does anybody know if it’s true that a Tullamore town councillor once proposed buying a gondola for the Royal Canal to attract tourists. Another councilor then suggested he buy two so that they could breed.

    The truth is worse – I’m unsure about it being Tullamore, but a councillor about 5 or 10 years ago did react oddly to news there was a proposal to put Gondala’s on his local waterway to boost tourism. IIRC he said ‘Its grand in theory, but who is going to feed them?’.

    Thats where the RTE’s version of ‘Have I got news For You’ (no longer on) got its name – ‘Don’t Feed the Gondola’s’.

  • maca

    Well they raised a fair point though, gondolas eat like savages, I can understand their concern.

  • Seamusin

    yeah, come to think of it, i cant imagine an An Post spokesperson coming out with a political statement like ‘psuedo-republican claptrap’. slugger, get on to it. i’m , er , obviously too busy.

  • barney

    “The logical conclusion of this claptrap is that we sould be pulling down the Customs House and the Four Courts which still have insignita dating back to when we were part of the UK.”

    I’m sure you’ll correct me if I’m wrong Keith, but wasn’t it you Free Staters who destroyed both buildings during the civil war? Don’t you think they’ve suffered enough?

  • fmk

    i for one would miss the old postboxes, having spent so much time photographing the bloody things! http://www.loopdiloop.com/FStop/PostBoxes/OfDublin.asp

  • Circles

    Wow – really, ah, interesting way of, ah, passing the time fmk.

  • Jim Bob

    I find it very hard to believe that an offcial spokesman for An Post would make such a scandalous remark.

    It’s much more likely that the laughably, routinely and regularly scandalous Sunday Life is just not telling the truth, like its even more ridiculous stablemate

  • spirit-level

    Great story:
    Wonderful comic value,
    We have to keep them
    Can’t change the past, can change the future!

  • El Matador

    I find it very hard to believe that an offcial spokesman for An Post would make such a scandalous remark.

    I don’t see describing such idiocy as calling for the destruction of pre-independence postboxes as scandalous.

    I liked the point made about the GPO. Are we to assume the Spin Féin want to tear down the apparent bastion of British imperialism?

  • barney

    Why do pro-british posters keep suggesting that any buildings of architectural significance in Dublin should be pulled down? The Brits already flattened the GPO once and the Free Staters did a number on the Four Courts and Custom House. Now TD apologists want to do it all over again. Move on guys FFS.

  • barney

    Check out the next edition of Sunday Life. Andrew Bushe has another of his ‘scoops’. This one is all about radical PD elements wanting to destroy the GPO, Four Courts and Custom House – “to teach Sinn Fein a lesson”. A Spokesman, that’s his real name, for An Post, An Courts and An House, said he was bored with the whole subject but would provide a comment if anything happened. A Spokesman also reported Mr Bushe for making nuisance calls.

  • Jim Bob

    To Matador

    “I don’t see describing such idiocy as calling for the destruction of pre-independence postboxes as scandalous.”

    It’s just that PR people don’t say things like that. You just don’t do it, for so many reasons.

    The story is most likely made up, as I suggested.

    And organs like the Sunday Life etc are more likely to make make things like that up than are PR people to use intemperate language.

  • Young Fogey

    I’m nearly sure thats an urban myth. I head a similar story supposedly from Belfast council when someone is supposed to have asked how much these gondolas would cost to feed.

    The gondolas were alleged to have been put up at Bellevue and Tommy Patton is alleged to have asked how would they be fed.

    I suspect a lot of people were alleged to have said this. I remember being told about a councillor in Edinburgh who allegedly said the same thing.

  • RedPaul

    Could be wrong but I thought it was John McQuade, an old DUP warhorse who represented the Shankill and may have had a brief stint as MP for North Belfast from 79 -83, who made the Gondala comments in relation to Victoria Park. It does have Urban myth all over it. However are urban myths not like cliches in that there is a basis of truth then they get transferred about and re invented in different places and circumstances?

  • GavBelfast

    Are you (perhaps) confusing gondolas and aligators?

    Johnny’s comment that I heard (of) concerned allegations which he took unkindly to, so much so that he felt the “aligators” should be dealt with.

    Perhaps an Urban Myth. But perhaps not ….