Problems with justice

Ambrose has already drawn attention to Sinn Féin members in South Belfast feeling hard done by over party reaction to the McCartney justice campaign. While the Derry Journal carries comments from unnamed residents in Galliagh and Shantallow complaining over the activities of some supporters in the ‘Justice for Jimmy’ group. Relatives for Justice and An Fhirinne have protested at the BBC about claims they are refusing to cover their events and the SDLP have called for a more joined approach to justice.

On the BBC:

“The failure by the BBC to cover these events will be seen as further evidence of its failure to report equally on sensitive and crucially important matters regarding conflict related killings.
“We feel that we have been treated with contempt and disregard by the BBC,”

Derry:

“We have been terrorised by these hoods who now seem to think that they can do what they like and get away with it because if anyone goes near them the media will be reporting their claims about intimidation and the like. “Well let me tell you the only people being intimidated around here at the minute are the local people whose cars are being stolen and wrecked and who are being threatened.”

SDLP:

“Some don’t want to face up to victims issues. Many victim-makers in the government and in paramilitary organisations do not want their role ever to come to light,” he said.
“But the SDLP believes that we have to take a strong stand for the rights of victims, because this is not just about the past. It is about hurt, pain and injustice that thousands of victims and survivors live with to this day.”

Sean Hayes:

“We have to stop punishing people for something they didn’t do. It will get to the stage where as soon as a republican walks into a bar, they will be attacked or accused of something.”

  • Davros

    Welcome back Mark, It’s good to see you posting again.

  • mucher

    Why does Relatives for Justice refuse to act for the families of those murdered by the IRA and INLA?

  • kitty

    “Why does Relatives for Justice refuse to act for the families of those murdered by the IRA and INLA?”

    They refuse? Please show me where they have refused anyone? Like everything else in Northern Ireland these justice groups are run along sectarian lines- each goes to his/her own affiliated group.
    Maybe that’s the problem?

  • PS

    Why does Relatives for Justice refuse to act for the families of those murdered by the IRA and INLA?

    As opposed to the all inclusive FAIR victms group?

  • mucher

    PS – Why do people always answer a question with a question? I was just asking a simple question?

    Kitty – I think that is the problem. People only see things from their side and cannot understand how others view things.

  • guggler

    Oh let’s grow up here my red-neck chums – why don’t they simply re-style these opportunist ‘charities’ as Romanist Rebels with Perceived Grievances and Disgruntled Would-be British Mopers Incorporated, it would be much more honest.

    A plague on each of their knuckle-dragging hovels.

  • kitty

    “I was just asking a simple question?”

    Well yes you did ask a question, but it was fairly loaded. You asked why they refused? – Here is what you asked:”Why does Relatives for Justice refuse to act for the families of those murdered by the IRA and INLA?”
    I am asking you who refused? When? it is impossible to answer an untruthful/ misleading question. If you can show that they REFUSED, who refused, then maybe we could all go look at that and find out why?

  • John O’Connell

    “While the Derry Journal carries comments from unnamed residents in Galliagh and Shantallow complaining over the activities of some supporters in the ‘Justice for Jimmy’ group.”

    Clearly an orchestrated letter-writing campaign attempting to protect the interests of the IRA and by extension Sinn Fein in election mode.

  • Dec

    “Clearly an orchestrated letter-writing campaign attempting to protect the interests of the IRA and by extension Sinn Fein in election mode.”

    Clearly, how? You appear to be pretty comfortable in dismissing, what sound like perfectly reasonable comments, completely out of hand in order to make a party-political point.

  • PatMcLarnon

    ‘Clearly an orchestrated letter-writing campaign attempting to protect the interests of the IRA and by extension Sinn Fein in election mode.’

    Not really, Mc Ginley and his spide mate who initiated and carried out the prolonged assault on Fisher had rap sheets a mile long. If they had went about their business like normal people and tried to behave in a fashion anywhere approaching normality then Mc Ginley would be alive today. He was unfortunately the author of his own demise.

    To point out their behaviour and to highlight the fact that residents of these areas have a problem with hoods and scum bags doesn’t make you a ‘provo anything’. it also goes to explain why even the SDLP with their need to make hay at republicans expense have given this campaign a wide berth.

  • kitty

    “it also goes to explain why even the SDLP with their need to make hay at republicans expense have given this campaign a wide berth.”

    Precisely!

  • John O’Connell

    “Not really, Mc Ginley and his spide mate who initiated and carried out the prolonged assault on Fisher had rap sheets a mile long.”

    Where’s the evidence of that?

    Mcginley may well have been up to no good in approaching the flat of Fisher but Fisher was going about boasting about killing their friend, Mousey Robinson.

    Robinson sorted out a Provo and was killed for it. He was brutally beaten to death.

    So when you talk about the people who deserve what they get, you have to include Fisher. It’s a sordid business which demonstrates that the Provos have no more influence than a criminal gang.

  • hensons

    John I thought you were a troll (no insult intended) but noticed your views are sincere as i checked out your web page. well…..phew….

    i would like to read your repartition phamlet – is it on line.

  • John O’Connell

    Hensons

    No, not at the moment. I may get it on after the election.

  • PatMcLarnon

    I am at this point trying to limit my posts to one per threads that I comment on, but I will make an exception in this case due to the spin put out by one particular poster.

    ‘Mcginley may well have been up to no good in approaching the flat of Fisher but Fisher was going about boasting about killing their friend, Mousey Robinson.’

    The evidence at the trial suggested (not challenged) that there were two separate assaults on Fisher and that they were hiding under a stairwell (CCTV evidence) in order to carry out a third attack when Fisher stabbed him.

    ‘Robinson sorted out a Provo and was killed for it. He was brutally beaten to death.’

    There is no evidence Robinson sorted out anyone and there is no evidence of any sort connecting republicans to his death. If you are in possession of such I suggest you contact the PSNI.

    ‘So when you talk about the people who deserve what they get, you have to include Fisher. It’s a sordid business which demonstrates that the Provos have no more influence than a criminal gang.’

    I never said Mc Ginley deserved anything, given such you are lying. Fisher received a trial and was convicted of manslaughter and the judge commented it was at the lower end of the scale and this was recognised in the sentence. So inadvertently you are correct, Fisher deserved what he got.