Newry and Armagh

The Daily Ireland, in a fair and well written review, takes a look at the coming battle for Seamus Mallon’s fiefdom and thinks Dominic Bradley is no better a successor to Seamus Mallon than Mark Durkan is to John Hume. Sinn Féin finally ready to breach Mallon bastion – Music to Conor Murphy’s ears. Now-or-never is their assessment.

  • Keith M

    This has been on the cards for years. Has the Daily Provo any actual NEWS to report?

  • PS

    The Daily Ireland is doing daily focuses on every consitutency, just like most of the major papers. Paisley holding North Antrim has been on the cards for decades but reviewing every consituency means reviewing every constituency.

    Sorry if that offends you so much Keith, you could always just not read it………

  • John O’Connell

    “Nationalist voters are questioning Durkan’s ability to follow in John Hume’s footsteps and in the south east people are asking the same about the SDLP candidate Dominic Bradley.”

    Nationalist voters are aware that Durkan has much more ability than Hume and may well be a better MP. Some of the seemingly unquestionable facts in the article are a little suspect.

    Good luck Dominic.

  • kitty

    “Nationalist voters are aware that Durkan has much more ability than Hume and may well be a better MP. Some of the seemingly unquestionable facts in the article are a little suspect. “

    I, as someone who had little to no time for John Hume, must express my utter disbelief that anyone would put Hume and Durkan in the same league. Apart from the fact that Durkan is reigning over a dying party, and apart from the fact that the SDLP has no policy worth bothering about, what Durkan is missing is Hume’s warmth and charisma. I was lucky enough to meet Mr. Hume not too long ago in University square- out having his daily walk before delivering a speech at the university. Out of the blue, he just stopped and talked to me as I waited for a friend. A great personality, funny and warm- even when he figured out my politics. Poor Durkan can not measure up.

  • Henry94

    I knew Mark in USI many years ago and he was indeed a bright warm witty and able guy. He is no John Hume but then who is? The SDLP’s problem is not Mark Durkin. Mark Durkin’s problem is the SDLP.

  • NewYorker

    Does anyone know what credentials Conor Murphy has for this seat?

  • Davros

    An interesting reversal Henry.

  • PS

    MLA since 1998, councillor for many years. A prominent member of his party’s leadership and a previous candiate in a general election in the consituency.

    None of which can be said for Dominic Bradley, who is somewhat of a non-entity compared to his opponent.

  • crat

    MA in Irish Politics too.

  • guggler

    I for one would urge the NIO to assist Mr Murphy to secure the seat in whichever way it can. It would be much more easy to facilitate the reintegration of the ungovernable sections of southern Armagh into Eire which would also rid us of a great deal of the bother in the United Kingdom. Let the tax-avoiding criminal classes and rebel varmint of south Armagh benefit no longer from their membership of the United Kingdom – decent citizens do not wish them as fellow subjects of her majesty and in any event it would call their bluff – they can slug it out in their natural hinterland of the priestly south.

    A ‘win:win’ as I believe it’s known.

    Motion carried !!

    Thank you.

  • PS

    Does anybody honestly think there is anybody in the SDLP who could lead the party any better than Mark Durkan?

    Of course there is one person who would clearly outshine Durkan – his name is Berite Ahern.

  • NewYorker

    Dear PS and Crat,

    Thank you for the background on Conor Murphy. You mention his political achievements. Is he a full-time politician like Seamus Mallon? Or does he also use his MA to teach? Or do something else?

  • PS

    No, he is a full time politician.

  • kitty

    “I knew Mark in USI many years ago and he was indeed a bright warm witty and able guy. He is no John Hume but then who is”

    time must have dulled Marks’s virtues then. I don’t think he is a bad fella at all, he is just devoid of personality. But I agree, hard to measure up to John Hume, a giant of a man in all things. I also agree that the SDLP could possibly be Mark’s problem, not the other way around.

  • NewYorker

    Dear PS,

    Perhaps the problem is the professional politicians, maybe it is time to retire them all (all parties) and bring in new blood to see if they can do better. From over here it seems like since 1998 nothing positive has been achieved by the politicians. I know people from both communities who visit over here and they seem like reasonable people and I don’t see that reflected in the current professional politicians. We have a race on for the Mayor of NY. The Democratic Party, which I usually support, has four professional politicians running and no one is impressed with them. They have no good ideas, they only slag each other. Right now it looks like the Democratic Party will loose the mayoral election because of the same old, tired politicians seeking the ticket. Does that sound familiar to you over there?

  • PS

    If there weren’t full time politicians I’m sure we’d have people arguing that such and such is more worried about making money at his day job than representing his constituents.

  • Keith M

    PS “No, he is a full time politician.”. Doing what exactly? The assembly hasn’t sat for years and local government in N.I. is hardly a full time job. This really is a great arguement for not paying any money to the MLAs until the assembly is up and running, not that it would matter much to Murphy. I’m sure he knows how to get some Northern Bank notes if needs to pay the bills.

  • peter

    I agree, the problem for Durkan is the SDLP. History is repeating itself. At the turn of the 20th century it was SF replacing the Irish Nationals.

    The problem for the SDLP is that they were the ones that brought SF into the equation. People can rattle on about the peace but the fact was that in the 1990s the IRA was on its knees due to British Intelligence and Loyalist retaliation. The SDLP needs to define in plain terms what it stands for.

    Rattling off sheer dribble about a United Ireland is not the answer. It aint going to happen. SF need to be challenged over the violence and intimidation.

    Between the last two Euro elections the SDLP lost 110000 votes. Surely they must be thinking what went wrong?.

  • Brian

    Conor Murphy is a fantastic politician with a brilliant mind to boot. His predecessor would have been more at home in the Alliance party. At long last the good people of Newry and South Armagh will have a parliamentary representative who truly reflects the Republican ideals of the constituency. Beirfidh Bua!

  • Chris Gaskin

    Oh yes!!

    In two weeks time the ggod people of Newry and Armagh will have an effective politican to represent them.

    There is no question of Bradley taking the seat, the only question will be how big Conor’s majority will be

  • Keith M

    Chris G “In two weeks time the ggod people of Newry and Armagh will have an effective politican to represent them.” Except of course he WON’T be representing them as he will undoubtedly follow the SF/IRA’s absentionist policy leaving the majority of the prople of the constituency with a voice in parliament.

    Peter ” At the turn of the 20th century it was SF replacing the Irish Nationals.” Actually that didn’t happen until 1918, and even then the original SF weren’t able to command a majority of votes on the island.

  • Chris Gaskin

    “Except of course he WON’T be representing them as he will undoubtedly follow the SF/IRA’s absentionist policy leaving the majority of the prople of the constituency with a voice in parliament.”

    Sinn Féin is well able and has a good reputation of helping their constituency outside Westminster

    Tell me Keith

    What has Mallon actually done for his constituency inside Westminster considering he hardly goes?

    At least the electorate is well aware that we refuse to attend Westminster, the sdlp just don’t bother going!!

  • harry

    The SDLP does indeed have the worst attendance record of any of the political groupings presently at westminster.

    So its a bit rich for the SDLP to talk about the representation of its constituents.

  • Paul O

    “even then the original SF weren’t able to command a majority of votes on the island”

    Im really not a fan of bleating on and on about the 1918 General Election Keith, but the only reason SF didnt get an overall majority of votes was beacuse they were standing unopposed in many seats, the other parties not even bothering to stand so certain was a republican victory. If there had been any competition, the SF vote would have been much higher. They were overwhelmingly supported apart from Antrim, Down, Derry and parts of Armagh and Fermanagh.

  • Chris Gaskin

    There was also a pact in the north

  • Henry94

    Chris Gaskin

    I remember one intervention from mallon that proved the extent to which Irish MPs were able to influence the British

    Rt Hon Douglas Hogg QC, MP a home office minister in 1989, told MPs in the Commons that some of Northern Ireland solicitors were “unduly sympathetic to the cause of the IRA”

    Speaking immediately after the statement, the Seamus Mallon called on Mr Hogg to withdraw the remarks.

    “I have no doubt that there are lawyers walking the streets or driving on the roads of the north of Ireland who have become targets for assassins’ bullets as a result of the statement that has been made tonight,” he said. “Following the minister’s statement, people’s lives are in danger.”

    Hogg did not withdraw the statement and Pat Finucane was murdered.

  • Strong Showing

    Unionism will never win this seat but I think it is important that this year again the DUP show a strong presence as Trimble in his so called unionism pact proposals wanted unionists to stay out of these constituencies.

  • Levitas

    Mick do you have any idea how offensive the following excerpt from an earlier post is..??

    “Let the tax-avoiding criminal classes and rebel varmint of south Armagh benefit no longer from their membership of the United Kingdom – decent citizens do not wish them as fellow subjects of her majesty and in any event it would call their bluff – they can slug it out in their natural hinterland of the priestly south.”

    It may not be man not ball, but its certainly “foul”. It is this sort of sectarian playground content which is greatly reducing my interest in this site…lets just see how you would react if it was as follows

    “Let the tax-avoiding blacks and asian varmint of Bradford and Leeds benefit no longer from their membership of the United Kingdom – decent citizens do not wish them as fellow subjects of her majesty and in any event it would call their bluff – they can slug it out in their natural hinterland of mosques and mullahs”.

    See what I mean?

  • Nowelio

    Paul O,
    Interesting. But if some constituencies weren’t contested, this would have no bearing on the percentage gained by the different parties. Did SF get a majority of the votes cast? Do you know where detailed info on these results can be found?

    Thanks

  • Victor

    “Interesting. But if some constituencies weren’t contested, this would have no bearing on the percentage gained by the different parties.”

    It would. The percentage of support for Sinn Fein in the country would be under-represented in the simple percentage figure.

    As it was, even without counting the uncontested constituencies they got a larger percentage of popular support than elected Blair and Thatcher with their very large majorities.

  • kitty

    “Mick do you have any idea how offensive the following excerpt from an earlier post is..??”

    Indeed Levitas, and don’t fret, the same person would in fact say the alternative that you offer- in another setting. Their hatred crosses religion and race!!!!

  • Mick

    Guggler, Yellow Card. You might enjoy your own sense of humour, but you have in the past consistently ignored the ‘play the ball rule’.

    You also know that the grounds include ‘collective others’ because you’ve been red carded on those precise grounds before. Now please, pack it in!

  • El Matador

    PS and CG

    In your list of Conor Murphy’s achievements, you failed to mention his former status as a jailbird, and the fact that after three years as a ‘great’ MLA he couldn’t even win a seat on Newry and Mourne District Council in 2001.

    Dominic Bradley is the hardest working and most dedicated MLA in N and A. SF may have three MLAs, but Dominic’s constituency work surpasses their aggregate efforts. The response the SDLP Election Team is getting on the doorsteps is testiment to the great work he is doing across the constituency. Spin Féin propaganda cannot detract from this fact.

    Votail Doiminic Ó Brolcháin- Ar Leas na hÉireann Linn

  • George

    El Matator,
    Seamus Mallon was interviewed in the Sunday Tribune yesterday as part of the paper’s look at this seat and he seemed to be enjoying canvassing (unlike Hume in Foyle) but certainly didn’t give the impression that Bradley had a chance of winning the seat.

    He was asked about the bookies offering odds of 1/50 on Murphy winning and he said something on the lines of ‘I’m a gambling man and those b*stards are never wrong”.

    This from a man who is on the doorsteps of Newry and Armagh from dusk to dawn.

  • Chris Gaskin

    “PS and CG

    In your list of Conor Murphy’s achievements, you failed to mention his former status as a jailbird”

    What’s you point?

    It is public knowledge that Conor is a former prisoner; the electorate has known that every time they voted for him.

    If it doesn’t bother them, why should it bother you?

    “and the fact that after three years as a ‘great’ MLA he couldn’t even win a seat on Newry and Mourne District Council in 2001”

    Firstly, Conor finished well ahead of Bradley in the assembly elections, Sinn Féin got 3 and the SDLP got 1

    The results speak for themselves

    As for Conor not retaining his council seat in the Newry Town DEA, in 1997 Sinn Féin had two seats and then in 2001 we had 3 seats, I would call that a gain wouldn’t you

    “Dominic Bradley is the hardest working and most dedicated MLA in N and A. SF may have three MLAs, but Dominic’s constituency work surpasses their aggregate efforts”

    Absolute rubbish

    Bradley hasn’t been seen in the majority of the constituency since he got elected.

    Any one of our Councilors does more work in a month than Bradley has done since he was elected.

    He is one of the worst speakers I have ever had the misfortune to debate with.

    Not propaganda, Fact!!

  • El Matador

    why should it bother you?

    A society where people don’t care if convicted criminals are representaing them (or in Spin Féin’s case, not representing them) is not one in which I wish to live.

    Any one of our Councilors does more work in a month than Bradley has done since he was elected.

    To quote you, ABSOLUTE RUBBISH. Dominic is the hardest working representative in N and A. “Not propaganda, fact!” as you would say.

    Votáil Doiminic Ó Brolcháin- Ar Leas na hÉireann Linn

  • La Dolorosa

    Keith M – people who vote for SF candidates are quite aware of the party’s abstentionist stance vis a vis taking their seats – it’s more of a symbolic thing.

    One may not agree with that stance or consider it na bit naive but either way it poses the question of which is best – spending a lot of time in the chamber of Westminster or the constituency

  • PS

    The response the SDLP Election Team is getting on the doorsteps is testiment to the great work he is doing across the constituency.

    Fair enough EL

    Tell you what, since you’re so confident about the SDLP’s chances would you accept a wee side wager.

    If Conor wins you owe me £40, if Bradley wins I owe you £100. Sound fair?

    The talk of the SDLP working hard on the ground would be funny if it wasn’t so pathetic. i know of SDLP supporters who go to Sinn Féin if they need something done simply beacuse they are the only party interested in consituency work.

    By the way, El Matador, I can’t help but think that I’ve heard your “good response on the doorstep” comment more than once before. Do the SDLP have to transport their few canvassers all around the 6 counties or is that just the party’s stock answer?

  • Chris Gaskin

    “A society where people don’t care if convicted criminals are representaing them”

    I would agree but then again Conor is not a convicted criminal

    As for Bradley working hard, El Mat don’t insult my intelligence or the intelligence of the electorate.

    I have had sdlp voters come to me to get problems sorted out.

    Now if they come to me that doesn’t say much for Dominic Bradley

    I will ask you again El Mat, do you think Bradley will win Newry and Armagh?

    I have answered your questions now please just answer this one.

  • El Matador

    Do the SDLP have to transport their few canvassers all around the 6 counties or is that just the party’s stock answer?

    More Spin Féin propagandist garbage! Completely untrue. For instance, in Newry yesterday, Dominic and the Newry Town DEA candidates almost had to turn canvassers away, so many turned out to support the SDLP team.

    From the feedback activists are receiving, the Spinners are haemorageing support from people in all areas around the city. Response to SDLP activists is better than ever (not that it was ever bad in Newry with the strong local work of its councillors).

    Not only is the SDLP support holding in the area, it is increasing. In time, this will be reflected across the north.

    In Slieve Gullion, Geraldine and Peter are excellent candidates, and the electorate in sunny south Armagh could do a lot worse than to vote for them 1 and 2.

  • El Matador

    I would agree but then again Conor is not a convicted criminal

    Oh yes Chris- sorry- I forgot. Provos don’t commit crimes. The law doesn’t apply to them.

    What a joke.

    If the Provos don’t recognise the law or the courts, then why is Maskey attempting to take Alasdair McDonnell to court for ‘slander’?

    Sure they’re so wrapped up in dogma, it’s almost embarrassing. Lest we forget, the IRA army council is apparently the legitimate government of Ireland. Therefore, by definition, provos are attempting to overthrow the recognised government of Ireland.

    Ha-ha. Hilarious.

  • Chris Gaskin

    “Dominic and the Newry Town DEA candidates almost had to turn canvassers away”

    LOL

    Your definition of “canvassing” and ours is entirely different.

    You just put stuff through letter boxes and scurry off.

    “the Spinners are haemorageing support from people in all areas around the city. Response to SDLP activists is better than ever (not that it was ever bad in Newry with the strong local work of its councillors).”

    Let’s wait and see how the election goes, I expect you to take losses and we will most certainly be making gains.

    “Not only is the SDLP support holding in the area, it is increasing”

    What area is this; never-never land because it is most certainly not Newry and Mourne

    “In Slieve Gullion, Geraldine and Peter are excellent candidates, and the electorate in sunny south Armagh could do a lot worse than to vote for them 1 and 2.”

    We will be taking all 5 in Slieve Gullion and the sdlp will not get a single candidate elected there.

    Sorry to disappoint you El Mat

  • El Matador

    You just put stuff through letter boxes and scurry off.

    Yet more propagandist lies! Unbelievable.

    Just like Mick Murphy’s Spin Féin daughter who’s standing in Rostrevor (Crotlieve) claiming to be captain of the camogie team, but doesn’t even play for them!

    What area is this; never-never land because it is most certainly not Newry and Mourne

    First time I’ve heard Newry called that- has always been an SDLP heartland, and will continue to remain so. The election results will bear this out.

  • Chris Gaskin

    “Yet more propagandist lies! Unbelievable”

    Fact!!

    They were in Dromintee last week and they just put stuff through the letter box and moved on as quickly as possible.

    They are well known for it in South Armagh.

    I have seen them do it so many times.

    “has always been an SDLP heartland, and will continue to remain so”

    Sorry to tell you El Mat but these times they are a changing

    Answer two simple questions

    1. Will Dominic Bradley win the Westminster seat?
    2. Will the sdlp have more councilors than Sinn Féin on Newry and Mourne council after the election?

  • PS

    Even you think Bradley has a better than 1 in 3 chance it’d be worth taking me upon on my offer of a wager. But you won’t because you know the truth of the story on the ground in Newry and Armagh.

    Sinn Féin will be the biggest party in Newry and Armagh.

    Sinn Féin will be the biggest party on Newry & Mourne District Council.

    Sinn Féin will be biggest nationalist party in the north.

  • NewYorker

    On Saturday I asked what Conor Murphy’s credentials were for the Westminster seat. Today I read on this thread that he was in jail. That is a major part of the candidate’s biography. What was he in jail for? To an American it seems unusual that someone who was in jail is running for office; in some states in the US those who have been in jail cannot vote. Are there other Westminster MPs who have been in jail?

  • Chris Gaskin

    NewYorker

    Stop trying to play stupid

    In previous arguments we have had you referred to Conor as a “Jail Bird”.

    What’s wrong the old memory going Lambe

  • Sam Maguire

    Chris, as much as I’d like to see it, I can’t see all 5 seats in Slieve Gullion going to SF, I honestly can’t see the sdlp losing over half their votes from 2001 – there’s at least 1 quota still there and it will probably go to Geraldine Donnelly at the expense of Mary Campbell, who judging by the posters about seems to have got the most limited area in terms of the vote management strategy this time out.

  • Chris Gaskin

    The way I see it Sam is simple

    Sinn Féin will get 4 candidates elected straight away, 1st count.

    Which 4 I don’t know

    One of the sdlp candidates will go out first

    Which one I don’t know

    Their votes will have to transfer to the other candidate at a 90% success rate, very unlikely given Sinn Féin’s geographical spread of candidates.

    I foresee the fifth Sinn Féin candidate being elected sub-quota

    I personally have seen a huge swing from former SDLP voters towards Sinn Féin in South Armagh.

    It all depends on turn out and our voters always turn out in force.

    I could be wrong but I can’t see it

  • Sam Maguire

    I hope you’re right Chris, there should be extra seats in Crotlieve and Newry, and the 5th Slieve Gullion and control of the council would be quite a coup.

  • Chris Gaskin

    It will be sweet

  • NewYorker

    Chris Gaskin,

    How can you justify supporting and voting for a jailbird? Surely your party must have someone who is not a jailbird to run for this seat. Another thing, how can you predict the vote outcome when there have been no impartial polls?

  • Chris Gaskin

    “Chris Gaskin,

    How can you justify supporting and voting for a jailbird?”

    I don’t have to justify anything to you or anyone else.

    That said Conor is the best candidate and has the most experience.

    “Another thing, how can you predict the vote outcome when there have been no impartial polls?”

    Unlike you

    I am from the area, I have canvassed in the area and I have seen the other canvasses.

  • La Dolorosa

    New Yorker – there are quite a few ex jail birds in N.I politics (and on both sides) it’s part and parcel of the situation and as politics becomes more ‘normalised’ then I presume it will become more commonplace.

  • guggler

    Mick

    A yellow card is scarecly merited and my main point stands, I can soften the language but the point is simply this – if South Armagh wants to conjoin with Eire then Mr Murphy’s success in the poll will surely facilitate at least some semblance of debate around it.

    I do not suggest for one moment that ALL in South Armagh are terrorists, or terrorist supporters, or crminals, this would be a disgraceful slur on some decent citizens. However it is beyond question, merely a metter of readily observable fact, that those people are active in not inconsiderable numbers in that area and enjoy support in that area. The ‘few bad apples’ argument is too politically incorrect for some to stomach however is also studiously naive.

    Everyone, but everyone, of above average intelligence knows this to be the truth of it.

    As I say, repartition is ‘win:win’.

    Many thanks

  • Chris Gaskin

    guggler

    There will be no repartition only unification

  • Intelligence Insider

    New Yorker,
    Firstly can I apologise for the rudeness and ignorance you have been subjeced to by the Sinn Fen/IRA supporters on this site!
    As a Conservative and Unionist living in England but having served many years in Northern Ireland I feel more than qualified to answer your question. Although it is true that some people on the “unionist” side of the fence (usually either the paramilitary parties or DUP) seeking election have been to prison for criminal offences, very few of these have been for terrorist offences. Sinn Fein/IRA on the other hand are a paramilitary organisation that have been responsible for more than 2/3 of the deaths in this country, they are closely associated with FARC in Columbia, ETA in Spain and the PLO in Israel/Palestine. They are a Marxist/Leninist and anti-American group who hate Americans as much as they hate us British.

  • harry

    II

    “They are a Marxist/Leninist and anti-American group who hate Americans as much as they hate us British.”

    And you are more than qualified to answer the question ????

    Earth calling II

  • Intelligence Insider

    Well Harry, I live in the United Kingdom of Great Briain and Northern Ireland, I was born just outside Belfast and lived there until I was 18 at which stage I took a Short Career Commission in the Royal Marines. On ending that I bought a house in the Hereford constituency after serving some time in another Service. Part of my employment meant that I had an active part in scrutineering the Marxist/Leninist IRA. Through this employment my eyes were opened to the hatred of all things American that republicans in Ireland hold. What service did you give Harry? Was it in a recognised Army or part of a terrorist one? Do you support the American government or are you against them? I know you won’t even answer my questions as if you were to do so honestly it would finish any support you had.

  • Chris Gaskin

    Intelligence Insider

    “Sinn Fen/IRA”

    Is this some new group being linked to the Ra

    are Sinn Fen linked to fen sui?

  • Chris Gaskin

    Intelligence Insider

    As a member of the British army how do you feel qualified to offer insight in to the Republican psyche?

    Republicans don’t hate americans, in fact Americans have been some of our most loyal supporters

  • Davros

    Republicans don’t hate americans, in fact Americans have been some of our most loyal supporters

    How are these two statements mutually exclusive Chris ? 😉

  • Chris Gaskin

    Now, Now Davros

    As Collins would say “Don’t exceed your brief” 😉

  • Davros

    LOL – Oíche mhaith Chris 😉

  • Intelligence Insider

    Chris, are you denying any link between Sinn Fein and Ira? Although Americans may have been “some of our most loyal supporters” as you place the link for support of the gangster/terrorists of the IRA, it is only because those Americans have not been aware of the gangster activities of that organisation that they have recieved support. The robbers/gansgetrs/murdurers of the IRA have no support from those who are aware of their true activities. Answer me this question with a yes or no answer if you will, was the killing of Garda McCabe a crime? it’s quite a simple question, either you feel it was a crime or you feel it wasn’t. Yes or no?

  • Chris Gaskin

    II

    I see you saw fit not to answer my question

    As for ethics I will not take advice from a member of the British Army, I have covered the issue of Garda McCabe on this site before

    Your knowledge of republicans and Irish Americans is pathetic at best.

    Let’s not be bitter II, it’s peace time

  • Intelligence Insider

    Chris, it was you who saw “fit not to answer my question” with a yes or no answer.
    Although you may not see fit to take advice from a member of the British Army ( By the way, as a Royal Marine I was part of the Royal Navy, not the Army) you only show your own prejudice.

  • Chris Gaskin

    “Chris, it was you who saw “fit not to answer my question” with a yes or no answer.”

    I asked you

    “As a member of the British army how do you feel qualified to offer insight in to the Republican psyche?”

    You refused to answer

    “Although you may not see fit to take advice from a member of the British Army ( By the way, as a Royal Marine I was part of the Royal Navy, not the Army) you only show your own prejudice.”

    I said I would not take advice on ethics, and yes I do have a prejudice against the British crown forces. It tends to happen when your first memory of a british soldier is him slapping your mother and then been harassed by them on a regular basis throughout your life!!

  • Intelligence Insider

    As you have already admitted having a prejudice then in all fairness your posts should be ignored.

    I do have a prejudice against the British crown forces. It tends to happen when your first memory of a british soldier is him slapping your mother and then been harassed by them on a regular basis throughout your life!!

    Even more so could be said when your first memory of a roman catholic is trying to duck from the sniper bullet that they fired a mile away from you, when they shot you in the back as you walked to your usual place of work, if you think that that was a fair shot, shooting someone in the back, it only goes to prove your own bigotry

  • Intelligence Insider

    Firstly I’d like to make sure that everyone knows the post of 02:39 was not placed by me, obviously it was placed by a member of the pan-nationalist front.

  • Chris Gaskin

    “As you have already admitted having a prejudice then in all fairness your posts should be ignored”

    Everyone has a prejudice against something or someone, I am open about mine

    “Even more so could be said when your first memory of a roman catholic is trying to duck from the sniper bullet that they fired a mile away from you”

    I doubt very much if religion had anything to do with it.

    “when they shot you in the back as you walked to your usual place of work”

    Out of interest was this while you were in Ireland or England?

    “if you think that that was a fair shot, shooting someone in the back, it only goes to prove your own bigotry”

    So by you logic if I say “No, they should have aimed for the head” then some how that chnges any level of non-existant bigotry.

    It is more correct to say cowardice rather then bigotry

  • Chris Gaskin

    “Firstly I’d like to make sure that everyone knows the post of 02:39 was not placed by me, obviously it was placed by a member of the pan-nationalist front.”

    I presumed it was

    How do know it was by “a member of the pan-nationalist front.”

  • NewYorker

    Dear Intelligence Insider,

    Thank you for your posts.

    I know some SF/IRA supporters are rude and ignorant. They seem not capable of civilized debate. They get frustrated when people disapprove of murder of innocents and criminality. It is very worrying that people outside of their cabal might vote for them. Not just because it endorses murder and criminality, but all of NI is seen as a place incapable of democratic self-government due to a foolish tolerance for an anti-democratic movement by the wider world.

    I am aware of the anti-americanism of SF/IRA. Soon the US will bar them from our shores; it only because of a politeness for PM Blair that it has not happened already. Their escapades in Columbia, Adams in Havanna etc. have been reported over here. The evidence on the Northern Bank robbery and meeting with the McCartney sisters and Ms. Hagans opened Senator Kennedy’s eyes and the great majority of Americans take the Senator’s word on Irish issues. SF/IRA are finished in the US. They like to spin the myth that they had important Irish American support. That is bunkum. They had support from rebel singing bar flies and a few construction company off-the-boat owners. They never had the support of the well-educated and affluent Irish Americans. Another myth is that they raised huge amounts of money in the US; it is now suspected that that was a cover for the money made from criminal activities in the ROI and the UK.

    A question I have for the SF/IRA posters: Do you think it is wrong to murder innocent humans? I hope you agree it is wrong. Then how can you support a party that does not think it is wrong?

  • La Dolorosa

    NY – One person’s terrorist is another person’s freedom fighter – and I am just putting that as a political reality as opposed to my own viewpoint. If you just look at C20th World politics there are a host of politicians /leaders who have been ‘terrorists’ or ‘freedom fighters’ – depending on your viewpoint eg – Mandela, Begin, Kaunda etc etc

  • Davros

    That shouldn’t be used to evade responsibility for crimes committed la dolorosa.

  • barnshee

    “Let the tax-avoiding criminal classes and rebel varmint of south Armagh benefit no longer from their membership of the United Kingdom – decent citizens do not wish them as fellow subjects of her majesty and in any event it would call their bluff – they can slug it out in their natural hinterland of the priestly south”

    What exactly is untrue or innaccurate about the above?
    Tax evading -yes/no?
    Criminal –yes/no?
    Do not wish them as fellow subjects- yes/no?
    Natural hinterland– yes/no?
    etc
    The representatives of the “varmint” a form of expression for polecat, skunk or similar may wish to disassociate them selves fro the south armagh residents. Or did the writer mean vermin?

  • La Dolorosa

    Davros -it’s not. Just an attempt to explain the real-politik.

  • barnshee

    “There will be no repartition only unification”

    1 How will you prevent repartition ?
    2 Protestants will not join a UI –why can they not have their own state?

  • Davros

    I must say, I’d be more sympathetic to Levitas feelings if he also protested at the use of offensive phrases like “Orangies”, “Uncle Tom” and “SS/RUC”.

    To me his protests were “diving”.

    After all even republicans themselves joke about the dearth of TV licenses in certain areas along the border.

  • Henry94

    People who watch RTE should have the choice of paying the RTE licence.

  • Davros

    People living within UK have to obey UK laws Henry, that includes paying for UK TV license 🙂 SF signed upto the GFA, no excuses.

    Republicans on this site have joked about this sort of thing – that’s why I consider it to have been a dive.

  • Henry94

    Davros

    What I am advocating is a change in the law so people can contibute to the service they want. It’s an equality issue. The poppy wearing BBC has nothing to do with us.

  • Davros

    Henry – advocate away – that’s democratic, but until the law is changed, don’t excuse law breakers. The RM signed upto the GFA. Obey the law 😉

    Where is the equality issue ? That’s being precious mate. We ALL have to obey the law. Again the RM signed upto recognising the status quo.

  • Henry94

    Davros

    We don’t have to obey the law. There are consequences to not obeying it and someone may choose to face the consequences rather than pay an unjust licence fee.

    Again the RM signed upto recognising the status quo.

    Really? When was that?

  • Davros

    What is “unjust” about the license fee ? Are RCs or republicans charged more than protestants or Unionists ?

    Interesting that you support the right of various Loyalist groups to break laws they feel are “unjust”.

  • Henry94

    Davros

    If you have lost interest in being taken seriously then I’ll have to accept your choice.

  • Davros

    What’s your problem Henry ?

    Please explain why it is unjust to expect people in South Armagh to pay the same license fee as people in Bangor ? Please explain why it’s unjust to expect RCs to pay the same as Protestants ? Please explain why It’s unjust to expect Republicans to pay the same as Unionists ….

    Or do you have a problem with my pointing out that if you argue people can opt out of which laws they choose to obey as long as they are prepared to pay the price that you cannot complain about the activities of people like Billy Wright and Michael Stone ?

    Simply bleating a republican mantra about being “unjust” – like a teenager grumbling “it’s just not fair” – is not adding a lot to the debate.

  • Chris Gaskin

    “Please explain why it is unjust to expect people in South Armagh to pay the same license fee as people in Bangor ?”

    It’s unjust for anyone to have to pay for a bloody TV license and I salute those who refuse to pay

    Who cares?

    Also stop alluring to “Republicans on this site have joked about this sort of thing” and just say it was me 😉

  • Davros

    LOL Chris – I was being sensitive!

    Anyhow – I don’t pay a TV license – so ya boo sucks !

  • NewYorker

    La Dolorosa,

    “One person’s terrorist is another person’s freedom fighter” – Even if one accepts that the “armed struggle” was necassary and just, a dubious proposition, there is no justification for the IRA to exist after the 1996 ceasefire, and that was signed on to in the GFA. Yet they still exist. That is the immediate and major problem facing NI.