Just little bits of history repeating?

As if to testify to the content-free nature of the electoral battle within Nationalism (it’s not much better in Unionism), here are three distinct views on the speech Gerry Adams made at the beginning of the campaign, all published in the last few days. Bertie Ahern, who is unimpressed given the continuance of recruitment for the IRA. Gerry Adams, who believes internal discussions can’t go on for too long. And Anthony McIntyre, who’s lost count of the endless procession of historic moments in recent times at least. Altogether now!

  • peteb

    Dermot Ahern managed to combine all of those in one single soundbite – Quote of the week

  • slug9987

    I think its got boring, I agree the ‘historic’ word is devalued. Reading Godson’s book I am reminded of how many IRA statements there have been, each one sold as a historic step but each so incremental that we always seem to be far from the end of the journey.

    Should Zeno’s Paradox be renamed the Adams/O’Neill paradox?

  • slug9987

    Here is a better statement of Zenos paradox of which the last 6 years’ statements of Adams and PO’Neill remind me.

  • Dessertspoon

    ““And so you see, in each moment you must be catching up the distance between us, and yet I – at the same time – will be adding a new distance, however small, for you to catch up again.”

    Was it the tortoise that said this or the DUP?

    Very encouraged (NOT!) by the positive words coming out of the DUPs election manifesto and accompanying press conference.

    Any posters on here with kids of about 1 or 2 or who are about to have kids looks like they get to grow up in the same shitty society you did.

    How can sane reasonable person ever think of voting DUP? Not that there is much to choose between any of our parties. AND they should change the name from parties to something else. There is nothing fun about our parties.

  • barney

    If Zeno’s Paradox applies to IRA disarmament then not only will they definitely do it but they’ll also meet themselves coming back shortly before starting out. Or is that relativity?

  • slug9987

    “If Zeno’s Paradox applies to IRA disarmament then not only will they definitely do it”

    Not this side of eternity, by Zeno’s paradox.

  • barney

    slug9987,

    you have made the ‘Achilles’ mistake, go to the back of the class. Immediately.

  • Circles

    But as Zeno’s paradox is a lot of old nonsense, and motion is possible, and it is possible to cover great distances I would state the following:

    There will indeed be disarmament and disbandment and any amount of nay-sayers are just basing their argumentation on the flawed argument of a tortoise.

  • Circles

    And I can just imagine all the UP members crawiling around, shells on backs, chewing on a lettuce leaves and spouting twisted logic from here to eternity

  • barney

    In the middle of a small pond (NI politics) there floats a boat carrying a large cargo of semtex. If the semtex is dumped overboard will the pond level rise, fall or stay the same?

  • Circles

    It doesn’t reall matter – the pond is stagnant and bottomless. You could throw all the semtex in existence into it and nothing would change.

  • Dessertspoon

    Ok that’s it these asses in politics have had long enough I say we revolt…..form ourselves into a huddled mass yearning to be free, storm the government…oh wait we don’t have one. OK rethink – we form ourselves into smaller huddled masses and storm the local council offices and demand er more wheelie bins and more road sweepers you know important stuff like that. Sorry just rambling now…..I’m going for a lie down.

  • barney

    Circles,

    Au contraire. The pond and the boat will change, but only slightly. Sadly, life would still go on as before so in that respect you are absolutely correct. The border cutting our stagnant little pond off from the mainstream needs to be removed!

  • Solomon

    Point of reference.
    Archimedes principle: The volume of semtex submerged will equal the volume of water displaced.

  • barney

    Solomon,

    Incorrect, and that is not quite the Archimedes principle. But you are on the right track…

  • Solomon

    Yes that has to do with displacement.
    A.M.’s principle
    Upthrust=weight of fluid displaced… had to check that on in old physics book.

  • barney

    Solomon,

    you are wise indeed but remember the qusetion. Does the water level go up, down or stay the same? Please pick one of the three possibilities.

  • Solomon

    I need to make assumptions.
    Assuming the hole is not bottomless and is a “regular” pond/lake and the pressure on the surface is atmospheric, then the level of liquid will rise.
    (Also assuming the matter is totally submerged,and not floating.
    The level which the liquid rises (call it dH) will be proportional to the surface area of the pond/lake. volume = area times height (im thinking of cylindrical/cuboidal volume for simplification).
    For a bottomless pond, speak to stephen hawking, as that would make the amount of liquid in the pond infinite. or something like that.

  • Mick

    Hmmmm… obscurantist angels on pinheads? Last dance now, please….

  • barney

    Solomon,

    Sorry, no cigar.

  • Solomon

    also worth a note, if the pond is infinetly deep anything that sinks in it will be compressed by the enormous pressure (Rho x g x h) increasing while it sinks.
    (thinking a kind of inverse spaghettification).
    where the volume of the object thrown in approaches zero as it descends, although the mass stays the same.
    Think of a polystyrene cup attached to a submarine.

  • Solomon

    Solomon,

    Sorry, no cigar.

    ok whats the correct answer?

  • barney

    Solomon,

    The water level drops. While the semtex is in the boat it displaces an equal weight of water by pushing the boat down and consequently pushing the water level up. When the semtex is dropped overboard it only displaces an equal volume of water and the boat rises. As the boat is lighter it displaces less water and the water level must drop accordingly.

    I confess to making one huge assumption however. Not being a real provie I have guessed that semtex is more dense than water and will indeed sink. Can General De Chastelaine confirm this please? If semtex floats then clearly the decommissioning cannot happen at sea!

  • Solomon

    True boat will rise as a result of less weight.
    I didnt take into consideration the volume of boat.
    Water level will rise, if the volume previously displaced by the boat, is less than the volume of the submerged matter.

    The density of semtex is not entirely important,
    Whether or not it floats is to do with the volume of water displaced. (Steel boats)

    Quick search I found the density to be 1630kg/m^3 (unreliable source) so it wouldnt be hard to make it sink.

  • Davros

    This is all barney’s fault.
    bad boy barney 😉

  • Solomon

    I contributed to, apologies for turning what would have been probably a good debate into a physics class.

  • barney

    Solomon

    return to the books. According to you theory, all boats should sink. This thread was never going anywhere anyway. If you want a really tricky little problem, try this for size…

    P O’Neill is making the difficult journey from his blighted post-conflict wasteland to the fabled Irelandofequals. There can be no going back so he carries with him an item of great sentimental value, his favourite cache of armalites. Before long he is halted at an unmarked roadblock manned by exclusionist UUP’es. The UUP’es demand that he decommission half his beloved armalites plus one before being allowed to proceed. This is done and independently verified by a deaf, dumb and blind dwarf of impeccable character.
    Off he goes only to be obstructed by an approved DUP’e cultural event (it is the annual taig witch burning). He is forced to make the same deal as before, half his remaining weapons plus one are decommissioned and the DUP’es confirm this by examining a Polaroid of sheep’s entrails.
    The journey resumes but, you’ve guessed it, he is stopped for a third time. Irelandofequals is blockaded by a massed PD torchlight rally (all four PD’s are wearing rather fetching long black leather coats in keeping with their social status and political disposition). After much negotiating our hero strikes the exact same bargain yet again. Half his remaining weapons plus one are decommissioned. The PD’s, having spotted a nearby TV crew, do not bother with any confirmation but instead announce to the world that there are no weapons left. If the PD’s are right, how many weapons were there at the start of the process?

    There is a real answer BTW.

  • Davros

    Having Heard MD droning on for a few seconds before I fell asleep during the news, I’m beginning to think Mitchel could snatch Foyle.

  • Solomon

    return to the books. According to you theory, all boats should sink.

    you have mis-read my theory. anyway, its not my theory, and its not a theory.

  • SeamusG

    Is Semtex soluble? And does that make any difference?

  • Solomon

    it has got a shelf life of 15 years… again source is unreliable

  • Silly American

    The answer is 14.

  • Chris Gaskin

    “it has got a shelf life of 15 years”

    It has a shelf life of 30 or 35 years but that can be decreased depending on how it is stored.

  • Silly American

    Sorry. The answer to Barney’s question is 14.

    And, as we all know, 14 is the sign of the beast. And 14 times 2.2857142 (repeating) equals 32 re-united counties.

  • Davros

    I’ll vote SF if they meet two conditions:

    1) drop their health-fascist nonsense about smoking

    2) work for a 31 county socialist Irish Republic.
    Louth to be expelled and made part of England as punishment for their 2nd Millenium misdeeds.

  • Sol

    What 2nd Millenium misdeeds?

  • Chris Gaskin

    Ah go on Davros!!

    You know you want to vote for the darkside and then you will be a disciple of the Antichrist as well 😉

  • Davros

    Ah go on Davros!!

    Your party would criminalise me – and you as well!!!!! Where’s PS ? Defend your party !

    What 2nd Millenium misdeeds?

    MUFC for starters. Chas and Dave. The Wurzels.
    Need I go on ?

  • Sol

    nope

  • Chris Gaskin

    Don’t worry about the smoking thing Davros, it’s only a law and they are their to be broken

    Leave Louth alone!!

    My old boy’s from Dundalk and let’s not forget they did elect Paddy Agnew so that has to be worth something

  • Davros

    I thought we had a blank cheque ? LOL
    If Louth ever needs renamed I suggest county Larne 😉

  • Chris Gaskin

    “I thought we had a blank cheque ?”

    For what?

  • Davros

    For what?

    Agreeing to quit the UK 😉

  • Chris Gaskin

    “Agreeing to quit the UK ;)”

    Who said that? 😉

  • Davros

    Who said that? 😉

    Come to think of it, it was a member of the SDLP LOL

  • Chris Gaskin

    Never trust a stoop 😉

  • barney

    Silly American,

    Top of the class.