SDLP: a better way for a better Ireland

The SDLP launched their manifesto today. Mark Durkan’s performance on the party’s soft focus PEB was well produced, and well written. But he may have lost political focus by cramming too many of key messages into one performance. Given the tight scrap he’s facing in Derry, he might have been better advised to amplify and extend his own opening gambit: “…you shouldn’t leave people to live in fear, afraid to look up, afraid to look sideways at the hard men in their own community”. And, interestingly stealing Sinn Fein’s clothes momentarily: “I cherish a true republicanism, one that cherishes all the children of the nation”.

  • barney

    I noticed on the BBC’s coverage that Mr Durkan shamelessly used the McCartney killing to advance his political fortunes. Predictable enough maybe but there’s something of Burke & Hare about the way Durkan exploits Robert McCartney’s corpse.

  • Occasional Commenter

    barney seems surprised that a politician runs on an anti-murder manifesto.
    I’m not going to defend everything the SDLP does but surely nobody can deny that a politician is entitled to (indeed, should be expected to) be against killing.

  • John O’Connell

    Barney is just a tad upset that everyone’s noticing that Sinn Fein have no moral values worth talking about.

  • quiet t

    How can the SDLP release a document on Irish unity,when quite clearly,the McDonnell/McGrady faction are not in favour

    Hardly party unity

  • DerryTerry

    Any truth in the rumour doing the rounds in Derry that Mark Durkan will announce next week that he fought in the GPO, was a signatory of the Proclamation and was executed in 1916?

  • peter

    Not alone all that. Durkan is also to announce that he was appointed the 116th secret Cardinal by the late Pope and that he had to postpone his manifesto launch because he was attending the conclave in Rome.

  • jeff

    A personality transplant still wouldn’t help Durkan.

    The man is so dry and uninspiring.

    He should have kept Hume’s election posters from the last Westminster election

    At least this might have kept him in the running

  • DerryTerry

    Sorry, he also signed the Ulster Covenant, joined the British Army, fought and died at the Somme and negotiated the Anglo Irish Treaty. Busy boy that Durkan.

  • pakman

    pithy one liners do not a statesman make.

  • Keith M

    quiet t “How can the SDLP release a document on Irish unity,when quite clearly,the McDonnell/McGrady faction are not in favour”

    Evidence?

  • quo

    Has anyone bought Alistair McDonnell a South Belfast street map yet.

    He hasn’t been round the constituency since the last election and may need a little help

  • beano @ Everything Ulster

    Is the SDLP’s attempt to fit the word ‘Ireland’ into everything just a desperate ploy to make themselves appear greener (probably the last thing they need going by their website), or am I just being a cynic.

  • pakman

    Beano

    spot on. Of course if your survival as party leader depended on courting 9000 unionist voters in your constituency you would have thought it might be wise to leave the fourth green field crap to the Shinners.

  • bigwhitedove

    The problem with the SDLP is that noone I know believes them, if i thought for one minute they could achieve or even wanted to achieve reunification I would support them but they will probably ditch this policy, post election, as in previous years.
    Marks slogan is mixture of UUP & SF “a decent Ireland/peace etc” their PR people are a joke and they still have not kopped onto the fact that slagging of SF pays no divedends with the people

  • jeff

    I wonder how much the SDLP are paying the pr experts this time round

    Remember the ‘stop the Dup’ campaign

  • beano @ Everything Ulster

    Incidentally, correct me if I’m wrong, but I think it’s “a better way to a better Ireland”

    A pedant? Me?

  • GavBelfast

    “How can the SDLP release a document on Irish unity,when quite clearly,the McDonnell/McGrady faction are not in favour”

    Are Sinn Fein? They contribute greatly to making genuine unity impossible. And their career politicians might well not figure if the Brits were out of the way – they certainly wouldn’t be the centre of attention without their raison d’etre.

    The brief little spat in west Tyrone apart, I feel the SDLP are doing all right and might well do OK in a fortnight.

  • bigwhitedove

    “might do ok”
    the word on the ground is that the SDLP are saying the loss of only one seat will be a victory for them, how is this doing OK?
    I think they are also set to take big hits in the council elections as their candidate pool is piss-poor

  • Liam

    Bigwhitedove

    obviously, as you have met the 154 candidates you are in a good position to make such a spot on analysis. As i happen to know many of these women and men I find your comment pretty insulting but not surprising. Pity, as we need constructive politics to move forward not the sad negative jibes that you and your republican friends seem so willing to get involved in. Sad.

  • bigwhitedove

    I stand corrected Liam,
    as for me and my republican friends, many of closest friends support the SDLP indeed one is standing for them, he was recruited to stand in this election( not a previous member) and his assessment is he is going to lose the seat won in ’97, he does not care too much either!

  • Fan

    At least if you disagree with an SDLP supporter they won’t cut you throat!

  • middle-class taig

    As a floating nationalist voter, the only thing I find more off-putting than shinners telling stoops they’re not good enough Irishmen is stoops telling shinners they’re nothing but bloodthirsty warmongerers.

    There’s very few true west-Brits anymore. Most of the catholic/nationalist professional/bourgeois middle-class is rediscovering its Irishness in a healthy, positive way. Similarly, there are few true irredentist nutting merchants any more. The immense majority of physical force republicans find incidents like Magennis’ bar completely repugnant.

    I guess what I’m saying is, between the unionists, the Aliiance, the British, the Indo and Sindo, the Honourable Tony O’Reillys of this world and traitors to the nation like the PDs and Fine Gael, we’ve plenty of people to be caricaturing us without adding to it ourselves.

  • snapper

    “At least if you disagree with an SDLP supporter they won’t cut you throat!”

    A fate some people on this site might consider doing to themselves if they have to listen to anymore drivel from SDLP youth!

  • Thora’s alive

    Back to the first point; let me reverse the question a little…How could Durkan not draw attention to the McCartney killing? I don’t think it should be exploited, that’s a fair point…but it is an issue…SF’s handling of the whole affair, and their link to the terrorist org that offered to shoot the killers, proves that they are not worth voting for. How can Durkan not point the problem with this???

  • GavBelfast

    When you so frequently read the contempt for others’ opinions mixed with very obvious raw hatred, it really is remarkable that people aren’t still being killed here on a daily basis.

    Is this as good as it gets: (relatively) bloodless but absolute acrimony?

  • Mick

    Serious question to BWD:

    “…they still have not kopped onto the fact that slagging off SF pays no dividends with the people”.

    What in your view would pay them dividends?

    A number of Republicans on Slugger criticised the SDLP’s ‘Stop the DUP’ last time out, precisely because it meant picking a false fight with a party they weren’t in serious competition with.

    The only party they are in direct competition with now is Sinn Fein. How else would they gain votes if they don’t attack them?

  • will

    I don’t believe the ‘stop the dup’ campaign was intended to pick a fight with the dup

    It was directed towards the Nationalist electorate and at those who it was in competition with.

  • middle-class taig

    Mick

    “What in your view would pay them dividends?”

    Delivery and solidarity! Focussing on the needs and aspirations of nationalists. Getting something for us. And I don’t mean meaningless baubles like an apology for the Conlons. And not shafting the shinners.

    Why haven’t they gone hell for leather for representation in the Dail? They’d get it.

    Why have they dropped their trousers on plackie bullets? They’d get that too.

    Dual-currency zone – I mean what’s the biggie? – it’s not as if it’s the pope-loving Irish currency anymore!

    Support SF on the Green Paper.

    A full, broad-ranging PUBLIC inquiry into collusion – they should mount a credible fight there, even if it’s a losing battle. It shouldn’t be, and they should be seen to be willing to die in a ditch to make it happen.

    Imposition of d’Hondt at local council level. They’d get that in Parliament if they really went for it.

    They could also nail their colours to the demilitarisation of South Armagh. Show they still have some fight left.

    I would vote for Durkan in a heartbeat if I heard him say “There were bloody good reasons why people went to war here. I didn’t agree with them and I never will, and I believe they damaged our cause; but nor do I think they were mere criminals, and nor do I think that their reasons for going to war were not genuinely held. Now that the vast bulk of them have left that stuff aside they should be welcomed into full democratic participation across the island. Gerry needs to tell the boys to get their skates on. But in the meantime, it’s not good enough that every scrap in Belfast is left at Gerry’s door. The bar to a shared future isn’t the current state of republicanism, it’s the current state of unionism.”

    If the SDLP want votes they need to challenge SF on policy, not on “being bad guys” – nobody buys that crap any more. You just don’t feel that the McDonnells/McGradys have the stomach to fight your corner. Nationalists can’t help feeling they rolled over for a tummy-tickling on Patten. They need to pick something big, fight for it, and win it.

    One thing they need to do as a matter of urgency is get Alex Attwood off the box until he can keep his loathing for shinners in the box. Every time he’s on, I expect there to be a wee voice saying “…and that was a party political broadcast for Sinn Fein”.

  • Gonzo

    The SDLP website appears to be offline. Let’s hope they’re changing the colour scheme.

  • iluvni

    ‘The immense majority of physical force republicans find incidents like Magennis’ bar completely repugnant’

    What sort of physical force do ‘the immense majority’ of physical force Republicans find acceptable these days, middle class taig?

  • Chris Gaskin

    I will have to concur with BWD

    My hatred for the sdlp is not really directed at their people but their policies and their stance.

    If the sdlp stood together with Sinn Féin and other interested Nationalist parties and tried to achieve the true objective of a United Ireland then I would be the first to say, fair play!

    They don’t do that and their newly found Republicanism doesn’t fool anyone

    How can you move from post nationalist to committed Republicans?

    You can’t!!

    They problem they have is the McGrady/McDonnell/Attwood side of the party turn off the majority of Nationalists.

    People don’t want soft leadership anymore.

    That is why they will support Sinn Féin

  • Davros

    Do you think it what was done or to whom it was done that was the big problem for “The immense majority of physical force republicans” MCT?

  • Davros

    How can you move from post nationalist to committed Republicans?

    Forgive me if I’m wrong here, but not all republicans are nationalist. I’d love to se a European republic, but the last thing I want is Nationalism, be it Irish or British.

  • Chris Gaskin

    Davros

    They are now trying to present themselves as an Irish Nationalist/Republican party

    My predicament is how can you move from Post-Nationalist to that in so little time and with the same people?

    They sdlp don’t have a coherent philosophy or message

    They try to be too many different things for too many different people and they end up in the state they are in because of this.

  • Davros

    Chris I wasn’t trying to argue for the SDLP 🙂
    I was pointing out that one can be a non-nationalist republican.

    “Europe. You know it makes sense! “

  • Chris Gaskin

    Don’t worry Davros you will get that Socialist Republic but it will be an Irish one 😉

  • Davros

    Keep this up and I’ll set Michael McDowell on ya 😉

  • Chris Gaskin

    I thought you were setting down a challenge? 😉

  • Davros

    I’m too old for all that malarkey 🙂
    Books, Pipes, Music and good company will do me.

  • bigwhitedove

    What would pay them dividends?
    Mick, sorry for the delay.

    In no particular order and recognising that SF would have to shift also

    An acceptance that Sinn fein and the SDLP are going down the same road and that cooperation not vilification would be beneficial in achieving unification.

    An electoral pact

    In the interim cooperation on policing and a recognition that having SF outside the tent at the minute strengthens the SDLP had inside it.

    Joint working in councils etc and an end to the hostilities. there are those within the SDLP who are purely driven by hatred of SF.

    Using the combined Nationalist/ Republican strength to better the lot for northern nationalists and by extension northern unionists, to demand equality, human rights,21st century health and education systems, meaningful employment etc

    At every negotiation they have no bottom line and the Irish and British Govs can depend on them to buckle, get a backbone!

    Stop peddleling the myths that 1) SF rule republican areas through fear and intimidation 2) the IRA are an unpopular criminal conspiracy

    Just a few of my thoughts the more I think about it the more I realise it just wont happen in this generation

  • queens_unionist

    Stop peddleling the myths that
    1) SF rule republican areas through fear and intimidation
    2) the IRA are an unpopular criminal conspiracy

    myths??
    Wake up!

    1) – mccarntey
    – mccarntey sisters
    – bombs in city centre shops

    2) Northern bank
    – Macro
    – endless other bank and shop robberies
    – 30 years of bombing killing maiming terrorising beating…the lsit goes on.
    The best thing is the directors of these activites are still trying to sit in the govt of Northern Ireland.

  • sean west

    Advice to Mark Durkan.Make Ireland a better place
    by getting him and his party to stand in Iraq.

  • Jim Bob

    “The best thing is the directors of these activites are still trying to sit in the govt of Northern Ireland.”

    Wherein only “decent” Unionists are allowed to sit presumably

    The “law abiding” people of Ulster

    It would be so funny if it weren’t so sad

  • middle-class taig

    iluvni

    None, I imagine. That’s why they’re not doing it.

    Davros

    I think it would have been equally nauseating to most SF voters (and, I imagine, activists) if the person murdered in a squalid pub fight had been some former UDR reservist who had a few drinks and ran his mouth off at some provies. It would have been equally unjustifiable on the basis of morality and equally divorced from republican principle. It certainly would have been to me.

    Sure, republicans are a wee bit hyper-sensitive about Short Strand Catholics, but I don’t believe that they inhabit a moral vacuum.

  • sean west

    Hear Hear.I hate alcohol fuelled sillyness.

  • queens_unionist

    “Wherein only “decent” Unionists are allowed to sit presumably”

    no wherein terrorists+there apologists cannot sit.
    What makes it worse the SF IRA youth are no different. they repetely condone murders and dreadful actions that any person with a conscience would condemn.
    You only have to look at Chris Gaskin and his murder condoning buddies

  • queens_unionist

    “I think it would have been equally nauseating to most SF voters (and, I imagine, activists) if the person murdered in a squalid pub fight had been some former UDR reservist who had a few drinks and ran his mouth off at some provies”

    I dont think so.
    I believe SF IRA members and activists dont really find the murder that apalling at all. They just hope all the hype disappears quickly…as has been happening

  • middle-class taig

    q_u

    “I believe SF IRA members and activists dont really find the murder that apalling at all. They just hope all the hype disappears quickly”

    I can only assume that that view derives from your own prejudice.

  • Jim Bob

    “no wherein terrorists+there apologists cannot sit.”

    So your little government would exclude Nelson Mandela from sitting down with the loyal, law-abiding, decent volk of Ulster then, would it?

  • beano @ Everything Ulster

    MCT – I too get the impression that Sinn Fein and co. seem more worried about the publicity being generated by the McCartney murder than the murder itself.

    Whether this reflects their voters may be another mater, but I’ve probably seen republicans on this site (and others) expend more energy in condemning the outcry over the murder than condemning the murder itself.

    The thing is Sinn Fein has managed to spin itself as a normal political party. I know one person who, assuming they were to vote, would vote Sinn Fein, despite the fact they are pro-Union (though not ‘unionist’ as such).

  • Davros

    MCT – I accept that what you say about your own feelings is genuine, but I wouldn’t be so convinced about others, just as I’m sure many from my side of the fence would “shrug their shoulders” – either openly or in their hearts, if some Loyalist thugs killed, for example, an ex-IRA man.

    One interesting issue raised – when you wrote physical force republicans I assumed you meant dissidents such as CIRA and RIRA, rather than SF – as SF while refusing to condemn PFR now no longer support physical force ?

  • Jim Bob

    And I’ve seen Unionists decry every investigation into British Army collusion with Loyalist murder. And I’ve seen Unionists decry every investigation into British Army murder.

    When will Unionism stop playing these stupid games and get on with sorting out political problems?

  • Davros

    Hear Hear.I hate alcohol fuelled sillyness.

    Sillyness is a bit of a euphemism, but it’s telling that the IRA in the early days of the War of Independence were notoriously puritanical.

  • Davros

    When will Unionism stop playing these stupid games and get on with sorting out political problems?

    Possibly when their mainstream opponents in the RM are 100% political ? That would help immensely. It would certainly give them one less excuse to drag their heels.

  • Jim Bob

    “Possibly when their mainstream opponents in the RM are 100% political ?”

    The DUP are 100% political?

    Sure there aren’t any little secret liasons we could shout about for hours on end, thereby avoiding the politics that must be faced?

  • sean west

    There will be a deal after the Elections.
    Face reality ,it will happen.

  • middle-class taig

    Davros

    “I accept that what you say about your own feelings is genuine, but I wouldn’t be so convinced about others”

    Thank you. There’s good and bad everywhere, don’t you think? I’m talking about what I hear from lifelong republicans (whether activist or merely voting).

    You talk in terms of “…openly or within their hearts…”. I think we need to decommission these mindsets more than the guns themselves. Most DUP voters simply are not comfortable with the idea of a society in which nationalists and unionists are treated equally. However, we can’t hold up progress towards a shared future until such times as they decommission those mindsets. And the act itself of sharing will do the decommissioning.

    By “physical force republicans” I mean those who believe or have believed that force has a role to play in removing the British presence. It would lump shinners in with the satellite crazies.

    Beano

    “I too get the impression that Sinn Fein and co. seem more worried about the publicity being generated by the McCartney murder than the murder itself.”

    I have to say, I honstly don’t. How do you square this view with Adams’ speech? He’s not going to call for something of such earth-shaking moment within the RM (however unionists wilfully diminish it) unless his hand has been strenthened be a generalised outrage within.

    “I’ve probably seen republicans on this site (and others) expend more energy in condemning the outcry…”

    Yes, I was dismayed to see that. But, I think some republicans are in such an embattled place right now that they are given to lashing out at any attack. In reality, Adams call would be better and more openly discussed and answered if that seige were lifted. Frankly though, laying the killing at Adams’ door was ridiculous, and republicans were entitled to say that.

  • Davros

    By “physical force republicans” I mean those who believe or have believed that force has a role to play in removing the British presence. It would lump shinners in with the satellite crazies.

    Do you not accept then that SF are genuine when they say there is now no place for violence ?

  • beano @ Everything Ulster

    MCT – assuming we hear nothing before the election, I honestly wouldn’t be overly surprised if nothing was forthcoming from the IRA but a statement reiterating its commitment to achieve a UI through peace, but that “the conditions are not yet right” for disbandment – or words to that effect. (If they do agree with Adams, I think the response will come before the election).

    Either way, Adams had to do something big, precisely because of the media outcry over the McCartney killing and the effects it had on the RM’s popularity worldwide, particularly here and in America.

    Regardless of his motives, it’s actions we want, and I won’t dismiss his statement out of hand, but nor will I rejoice in the wisdom and love of Saint Gerry – until we see what the response is, and what the actions are that take place following it, the speech was near enough a non-event as far as I’m concerned.

    I understand your second point, but isn’t what you’re saying simply that the SF support have developed something of the siege mentality that they have thrust upon unionists for 35 if not 85 years? The defensive reactions then led to gerrymandering and discrimination, so clearly it does nobody any good.

  • beano @ Everything Ulster

    Davros, regardless of what they say now I think they clearly satisfy the “or have believed that force has a role to play” criteria.

  • Davros

    The DUP are 100% political?

    Whataboutery ?

  • Jim Bob

    “The DUP are 100% political?

    Whataboutery ?”

    The point I’m making is that Sinn Fein focus on resolution of the political issues, whilst Unionism focusses on the symptoms of conflict.

  • beano @ Everything Ulster

    I’d say unionists were focusing on the causes of the conflict rather than the symptoms.

  • middle-class taig

    Davros

    I think that SF is sincere when it says that there is now no place for violence. I believe however that they could not rule out that violence would never again be justified inthe cause of Irish freedom. This is a point on which I might differ from them.

    Beano

    “I won’t dismiss his statement out of hand, but nor will I rejoice …”

    You are correct to do neither.

    “the speech was near enough a non-event as far as I’m concerned.”

    With respect, who cares, it wasn’t meant for you.

    “isn’t what you’re saying simply that the SF support have developed something of the siege mentality that they have thrust upon unionists for 35 if not 85 years?”

    The unionist comunity was only ever under a seige in its own mind. It remains there to this day. Nothing was thrust upon them. They developed that pathology all by themselves.

    The nationalist community, on the other hand, has been under seige throughout the existence of the state. Liberation, of sorts, came with GFA and Patten.

    “The defensive reactions then led to gerrymandering and discrimination, so clearly it does nobody any good.”

    Agreed. But none of this is relevant to the issue that Gerry’s call would receive a fairer wind if the RM were given some breathing space in which to consider it.

  • Jim Bob

    “I’d say unionists were focusing on the causes of the conflict rather than the symptoms.”

    How do you work that out?

  • Davros

    The point I’m making is that Sinn Fein focus on resolution of the political issues

    The political issues CANNOT be resolved while pretending that the IRA aren’t a huge part of the problem. You asked when will Unionism etc – when the IRA go away is my best guess. Of course SF aren’t worried about the IRA – they are no threat to Sinn Féin.

    The roofs about to fall in and SF are saying – don’t worry about that, we need to sort out the living room colour scheme.

  • Davros

    Cheers MCT.

  • sean west

    The problem for our unionist brothers and sisters is the fact that they are so poorly served by an awful group of leaders.
    Molyneaux,Trimle,Empey,Donaldson,Mcginess,Harry West,Burnside,Bob Mccartney and Iris Robinson.
    A bunch of Carrots.

  • Jim Bob

    “The roofs about to fall in and SF are saying – don’t worry about that, we need to sort out the living room colour scheme.”

    You’re way ahead of yourself there. We don’t even have a house yet, never mind a roof or living room.

    We’re only at the “building a house” stage.

    We’ve got the architects plans and everything but can’t get on with the work because Unionism is always bitching about what Sinn Fein did to the last house. Sinn Fein didn’t think much of that house because Unionists seemed to have taken all the rooms to themselves. It had to go and we all had to move. That’s where we’re at.

    Now, will Unionism call off their wildcat strikes and get on with the business of building the thing?

    It’s getting a bit chilly out here

  • queens_unionist

    Listen to Dr Paisley’s speech on the manifesto launch at the future DUP seat in Upper Bann.
    That gives a clear indication on the DUPs stance to letting SF IRA lodge in the house.

  • Jim Bob

    “That gives a clear indication on the DUPs stance to letting SF IRA lodge in the house.”

    The problem you have is that SF and the people they represent aren’t come and go lodgers I’m afraid.

    You’re married to them, and for life and all eternity. No divorce possible!

    Does that crystallise the dilemma any better for you?

  • Chris Gaskin

    “What makes it worse the SF IRA youth are no different. they repetely condone murders and dreadful actions that any person with a conscience would condemn.
    You only have to look at Chris Gaskin and his murder condoning buddies”

    QU

    Just a point of information

    I am not a member of Ogra Shinn Féin; I am a member of Sinn Féin.

    If you don’t like my views, TOUGH

    Stop acting like a child.

  • Mick

    There’s an awful lot of generalisation going on here. It would aid discussion if people could use specific examples to illustrate a general point.

    For instance:

    “…Unionism is always bitching about what Sinn Fein did to the last house. Sinn Fein didn’t think much of that house… “

    I’m not picking on you JB, but there’s just no answer to a statement as broad and sweeping as this. And it’s getting very common on here recently.

  • IJP

    Well said Mick.

    Dipping into Slugger hasn’t been of much interest recently because of the generalizations you talk of.

  • Jim Bob

    That was an analogy about how people share a space together. Analogies are about trying to see the big picture. Too often we can’t see the wood for the trees. But it’s important that we do see that bigger picture occasionally.

    queens_unionist use of the term “lodger” in this instance in reference to Sinn Fein was quite revealing.

  • Davros

    Mick – My analogy has the house = belfast agreement.
    Jim Bob seems to think SF , despite protestations otherwise , want to have a new agreement, start again. That’s interesting. Once again, if Jim Bob is correct, SF and the DUP seem to be on the same wavelength!

  • Jim Bob

    “Jim Bob seems to think SF , despite protestations otherwise , want to have a new agreement, start again”

    I don’t think anything of the sort. On teh contrary I think that the GFA is still an unbuilt house.

  • queens_unionist

    “”What makes it worse the SF IRA youth are no different. they repetely condone murders and dreadful actions that any person with a conscience would condemn.
    You only have to look at Chris Gaskin and his murder condoning buddies”

    QU

    Just a point of information

    I am not a member of Ogra Shinn Féin; I am a member of Sinn Féin.

    If you don’t like my views, TOUGH

    Stop acting like a child.”

    sorry is viewing murder as a crime ,merely youthful foly?

    Ogra Shinn Féin, Sinn Féin
    all falls under the blanket of SF IRA to me

  • jeff

    “I cherish a true republicanism” – Mark Durkan

    I don’t think Eddie McGrady and Alistair McDonnell share this sentiment.

  • 65+

    I’ve voted Sinn Fein for the past 2 elections. However I won’t be voting for them this time.
    The incident and cover-up of the McCartney killing has sickened me and many other moderate nationalist voters. So I intend to revert to voting SDLP.
    We gave Sinn Fein their chance and they let us down.
    I want a better life for my children and grandchildren.

  • 66+

    65+ ??

    I want a better life for my children, also
    and i wouldn’t like to think that there is the possibility of them being murdered by a plastic bullet.

    That is why i will not be voting for the SDLP

  • 65+

    66+
    The difference between you and I is that I don’t want anyones children murdered by anyone.That’s why I won’t be voting for any party with a military wing. You’re free to vote for anyone you wish.