Councillor quits after "late night" incident…

THE News Letter reports that David Archer Jnr has resigned as an Ulster Unionist councillor “and quit his party’s election campaign amid an inquiry into an alleged incident at a council office was launched”.

The report continued:

David Archer Jnr last night withdrew his candidacy in the local government elections and left his position on Lisburn City Council.

A source said there was an investigation under way into “a latenight incident”.

The council said it had received a report from its security firm ” regarding the use of the (council) Members’ Room at Lagan Valley Island”.

Mr Archer issued a statement but made no reference to any incident or a security report.

Councillor Archer (Jnr) said in a statement he had to make a choice between politics and business:

“Working in politics has been an intensely fulfilling and rewarding experience for me but it also a fickle and, on occasion, dirty business to be involved in,” he said.

“I have no time for the type of dirty tricks and innuendo that have characterised this election campaign to date and trust that they will end.”

I suspect that David Archer Jnr is in for a very hard time over the next few days in Lagan Valley. This is a real blow for an already-weakened UUP campaign.

‘The Hawk’ said on this site recently that Mr Archer works at Michael McGimpsey’s Sandy Row office, so perhaps that explains why Mr McGimpsey told the Belfast Telegraph last night: “It’s another one of the DUP’s dirty tricks. No doubt we will see more of them to come but I’m sure the electorate will treat them with the contempt they deserve.”

However, Archer is best known for branding his Sinn Fein colleagues “Fenian bastards” at a civic reception. He also boycotted council sessions where the opening prayer was led by a Catholic priest.

Combined with today’s news about Michael Copeland – by coincidence, today being the day the UUP launches its manifesto (is it still happening?) – no wonder the Ulster Unionists are feeling very paranoid. A weakened UUP would pave the way for the DUP for a generation, and the timing seems just a little too good.

Mind you, a lot of people are starting to see similarities between David Trimble and John Major’s disastrous election campaign of ’97…

I hate to say it, but it’s not just David Trimble – the whole UUP is a busted flush. The party’s over.

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And anyone know what this is all about?

  • queens_unionist

    “a latenight incident”.

    ” regarding the use of the (council) Members’ Room at Lagan Valley Island”.

    mmm… the mind boggles

  • yerman

    Again, in this incident I know nothing about it, but whatever it is it really highlights the utter stupidity of the UUP playing up ‘decency’ as their main campaign theme.

    He may well have done nothing indecent or otherwise, but it leads people to wonder.

  • fair_deal

    Gonzo

    On the MoD fraud stuff, I have no ‘insight’ to this but a few mates used to do work on army bases etc in NI and they always said they thought funny things were going on with the contracting e.g. a huge difference between what they got paid and what was charged (up to 6 times more). This could be barking completely up the wrong tree

  • fair_deal

    No doubt those guardians of british morals, the sunday newspapers, will have a field day with this. It wouldn’t be a british sunday without some moral outrage in three pages of graphic detail.

  • pakman

    the “Decent People” campaign is beginning to resemble “Back to Basics”.

    RIP UUP.

  • Carrington

    “Decent People” an enormous gaffe in light of current events.

    Although I would like a line drawn under all of this muck (the UUP should now expel Copeland and Archer as both are clearly guilty of bringing the party into disrepute – if expulsion takes to long Trimble should visit both gents and “ask” for their resignations) and see a real election campaign kick off – enough’s enough surely?

  • fair_deal

    I wonder if DT likes peas?

  • Davros

    Or even Curry ?

  • sean west

    Shows DT up for what he is.A 10th rate politician.

  • Carrington

    Peas? Curry? What are you talking about?

  • Davros

    References to John Major.

  • sean west

    I feel sorry for Daphne.

  • fair_deal

    Spitting image (a popular satirical show in the 1980’s and early 1990’s) always made references to John Major’s like of peas. (Showing my age I think)

    Trimble as a grey dummy would suit.

  • sean west

    That’s harsh on Dummys.

  • Rebecca Black

    Good to see a high level of debate guys

  • pakman

    Rebecca Black

    let’s raise the level then.

    What’s the UUP insiders’ view of how the moments of madness are affecting your campaign?

  • Rebecca Black

    I wouldn’t know pakman, I am not involved in the UUP campaign so i am hardly an insider. I am coming on this site to learn what is happening at the min.

  • pakman

    Rebecca Black

    as a UUP supporter how do you feel things are going now we are at the half way point in the campaign? Is there any comment in Dublin about the UUP’s election thus far?

  • Karl Rove

    Let’s not pick on Rebecca. She, along with me of course, is the only UUP type willing to chat here currently.

    But Archer, eh? I knew the man was charming, but who’d have thought quite that much? I wonder if, ‘making the case for the Agreement’ (as that’s doubtless what Cllr Archer jnr was doing) could become Ulster’s equivalent of ”Ugandan discussions”?

  • Tiny

    Can’t speak for the province, however it seems that Basil McCrea is being well recieved on the doorstep, whether this translates into votes time will tell, however the fact he is a new face, free of political infighting baggage (unlike his opponent) seems to be in his favour.

  • pakman

    Karl Rove

    I’m not picking on anyone. I am genuinely interested in how a UUP supporter feels thing have gone for their chosen party thus far.

    “Ugandan discussions”? In his dreams!

  • Rebecca Black

    Pakman

    I imagine things could probably be going better.

    There isn’t really much interest in the Northern Ireland Election down here, the news is dominated by stuff about the Pope.

  • johnhidd

    “Can’t speak for the province, however it seems that Basil McCrea is being well recieved on the doorstep, whether this translates into votes time will tell, however the fact he is a new face, free of political infighting baggage (unlike his opponent) seems to be in his favour. “

    (Posted by: Tiny at April 20, 2005 05:39 PM)

    Yes, Tiny, and it was a wizard wheeze to print his posters in SDLP colours. Cutting edge, or what?

    EPITAPH TO BASIL McCREA

    His posters were large

    His vote was small

    He didn’t understand politics

    At all, at all….

  • davidbrew

    Basil McCrea
    Your head is away
    To think that you might
    Beat the prince of the Right

    (yes I can think of other rhymes too)

    If you think you can win
    Your head is a bin
    Oh how we shall chortle
    When you’re worse than the..er.. Tortle

    I’ll get me coat

  • Karl Rove aged 13 & 3/4

    Basil McCrea, Basil McCrea,
    Whatever you say,
    At least he’s not fey.

    Basil McCrea, Basil McCrea,
    Despite his fine bray
    No, no MP’s pay.

    Basil McCrea, Basil McCrea,
    No Daphne this day
    Where Turtles do lay.

    Basil McCrea, Basil McCrea,
    What can I say
    but Basil McCrea?

    Basil McCrea, Basil McCrea,
    Could win, he may!
    But you’re right to say Nay.

    With apologies to TSE.

  • Karl Rove aged 13 & 3/4

    Basil McCrea, Basil McCrea,
    Whatever you say,
    At least he’s not fey.

    Basil McCrea, Basil McCrea,
    Despite his fine bray
    No, no MP’s pay.

    Basil McCrea, Basil McCrea,
    No Daphne this day
    Where Turtles do lay.

    Basil McCrea, Basil McCrea,
    What can I say
    but Basil McCrea?

    Basil McCrea, Basil McCrea,
    Could win, he may!
    But you’re right to say Nay.

    With apologies to TSE.

  • Karl Rove aged 13 & 3/4

    Basil McCrea, Basil McCrea,
    Whatever you say,
    At least he’s not fey.

    Basil McCrea, Basil McCrea,
    Despite his fine bray
    No, no MP’s pay.

    Basil McCrea, Basil McCrea,
    No Daphne this day
    Where Turtles do lay.

    Basil McCrea, Basil McCrea,
    What can I say
    but Basil McCrea?

    Basil McCrea, Basil McCrea,
    Could win, he may!
    But you’re right to say Nay.

    With apologies to TSE.

  • Karl Rove aged 13 & 3/4

    Basil McCrea, Basil McCrea,
    Whatever you say,
    At least he’s not fey.

    Basil McCrea, Basil McCrea,
    Despite his fine bray
    No, no MP’s pay.

    Basil McCrea, Basil McCrea,
    No Daphne this day
    Where Turtles do lay.

    Basil McCrea, Basil McCrea,
    What can I say
    but Basil McCrea?

    Basil McCrea, Basil McCrea,
    Could win, he may!
    But you’re right to say Nay.

    With apologies to TSE.

  • la redoute

    Johnhidd it seems to me you are a better poet than an election candidate.
    Tell me how galling was it to be beaten by esmond and micheal in south belfast.
    Still im sure your enjoying your retirement in the dup.

  • queens_unionist

    and how many elections have you run in and won?

    all i can say is that at least the electorate has woke up to the evils McGimp and his “leeeaaadddeeerrr”

  • la redoute

    Stood in three won in three now how many have you stood for?

  • Mick

    What a shame the Honest Ulsterman is no longer taking! So much talent!!

  • Indeed

    la redoute,

    Such success should not fall under a pseudonym – reveal your identity so we can all wonder at your popularity with the electorate!

  • la redoute

    Ah modesty prevents me from saying.
    Anyway what is political success in this country?

  • Indeed

    la redoute,

    its what the DUP will have achieved come the 6th May. Isn’t it great!

  • Peter Thomas

    So why did David Archer quit? For what i know of him, he is an arrogant person so why did he not fight on?

  • queens_unionist

    “la redoute,

    Such success should not fall under a pseudonym – reveal your identity so we can all wonder at your popularity with the electorate!”

    quite..if id won 100% of all elections id stood in i wouldnt be using a pseudonym at all. at least we all know who johnhidd is!

  • la redoute

    queens unionist thats exactly why johnhidd couldnt elected anywhere.
    Yes we have had the dup in charge for a year and what have they done?

  • Traditional Unionist

    such a shame the electorate don’t

  • PaulPanther

    For the full story on Mr Archer Jnr I would make sure to get the tabloids on Sunday.
    Let’s just say it involves another person, a drinks cabinet and a lot of debauchery.
    A friend on Lisburn City Council tells me a number of seedy journos have been on the phones to politicians in the area constantly since Tuesday.
    The real eye-opener here could be not what Mr Archer has done, but what he could reveal on others.
    I’ll keep youse guessing.

  • Gonzo

    The plot thickens…

  • Peter Thomas

    Well if it involved getting drunk then big deal. That is no crime – well not unless the DUP get into power:0) As for debauchery then unless it was unlawful then i see no reason why it should result in the guy quitting ASAP – unless the shame was too great and the act is morally repugnant to the majority of society ……… ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh! If the web master can read my thoughts then there is a big allegedly in capitals across it lol

  • davidbrew

    Hold on a minute. It’s been almost 36 hours without any UUP member being accused of some peccadillo, or impropriety, or some horrendous own goal on policy, or a candidate’s trousers have fallen down. There hasn’t even been a sighting of Basil McCrea

    What’s going wrong? Don’t these people realise that the electorate are expecting them to amuse us, and today just hasn’t been funny at all? They will have to start taking their repsonsibilities as comedy politicians much more seriously

  • queens_unionist

    davidbrew…i suppose in UUP terms its been a good day for them!

  • sean west

    I thought The Dup website was pretty funny.
    That bus does look a bit clapped out.
    They are getting rid of the routemaster anyway.
    The E U safety department thinks they are too dangerous.

  • pakman

    I see serial blogger Michael Shilliday is the Trimble Youth contact for Lagan Valley. If you are out there Michael can you shed any light on Archers’ “moment of madness”?

  • willis

    If I remember right, the English cultural icons chosen by the UUP in 2001 were fish and chips and the mini, now it is the Routemaster bus. Is there a thread here? Do they have an anti-midas touch?

  • Stalford

    Willis

    For some bizarre reason the great election supremo Stephen King’s hand has been evident in the last three election campaigns – let’s see if his great touch can deliver such wonderous results this time around as he has in the past!

    I certainly hope so….

  • Gonzo

    Stalford

    I thought maybe a former Slugger poster from East Belfast who has suddenly stopped predicting election results here might have sthg to do with it, no? Could be wrong, but it just seemed like sthg he might cook up…

    Who’s standing for yous in Windsor, BTW?

  • Stalford

    Gonzo

    Windsor = Balmoral

    Councillor Ruth Patterson and Jim Kirkpatrick

  • Decent Unionist

    It occurs to me, has the lovely, charming, fragrant Archer resigned *all* of his UUP offices? His good mate, fat Rodders McCune (the UUP candidate in North Antrim), bizarrely brought him over to London to be a patron of the London UUP branch. As we’ve obviously got to think of Unionism’s good name in Westminster, I trust Archer’s relinquished that mighty office as well?

  • La dolorosa

    Stalford – I hope you are not showing any homophobic tendencies vis a vis Stephen King.

  • gimboid

    From what I hear, young Archer had had it with the campaign in any case and was planning to get out, and this ‘incident’ had been waiting to happen for some time.

    Fair enough, if a man’s heart’s not in it he might as well jump ship I say. A fiver says it’s not mentioned in any Sunday papers, incidentally.

  • Stalford

    la Dal

    No. I’m showing election disaster-phobic tendencies.

  • Gonzo

    The problem for Mr Archer is that his name is still on the ballot paper, as it’s too late to withdraw.

    Since his father, also a councillor, has the same name, this might prove doubly problemmatic…

    Stalford:

    No, not Ruth again!

  • Karl Rove

    How I love the Tele: they’re keeping us up to speed on the latest Archer business, but whose name does The NIO Gazette rope in? Jeffrey Donaldson’s, on the spurious grounds that he *used* to employ Archer. Maybe our evening newspaper of record might like to share with its readers who *currently* employs Archer? I’m spelling it G.I.M.P.

  • La Dolorosa

    Karl Rove – but didn’t Jeffrey Donaldson work for Enoch Powell – 6 degrees of separation…..??

  • gimboid

    Who employs Archer now? No-one employs him, he’s gone back to London and is likely to resume his previous employment, which has nothing to do with politics.

  • La Dolorosa

    karl rove – isn’t dubya’s pet name for your name sake ‘Turd blossom????

  • Karl Rove

    Tis true, tis true, pace Turd Blossom, but each great man expresses his enthusiasms in his own way. On the 6 degreeing tho’ . . . let’s see where we can go: Archer worked for the wee man who worked for Enoch who worked for Ted Heath who worked (as his final chief whip) for Churchill who worked (technically) for Kitchener during the Sudan campaign of 1898. And what is the 2nd most famous fact anyone knows about Kitchener today? That his campaign in the Sudan, and Corp. Jones (of Dad’s Army fame) part in it, gave forth to the famous catchphrase, “they don’t like it up ’em”. But I have gone off at a tangent.

  • Tiny

    Karl, or you could say that the Archer worked with Donaldson who worked with Molyneaux who worked with S. K. Cunningham who Molyneaux fails to mention in his book ‘The Long View’, do your homework on S.K.

  • Paul L

    Tell me (as I didn’t see a copy of the ‘Sunday Life’ or any other such rag this weekend), did no paper give us the gory details on Archer, or will the above catalogue of implication and school boy sniggering have to suffice?

    Having, incidentally, had the misfortune to meet David Archer, I can say, it really couldn’t have happened to a nicer man.

  • jim

    One article in a sunday newspaper today claimed the incident involved Archer and a male friend??

  • oh dear

    The Sunday World today didnt state exactly what is supposed to have gone on. But it was probably enough for people to draw their own conclusions.

  • roger

    The funny thing is that Mcgimpsey seeks to blame the DUP for Archer resiging what is this guy on.

    What did Archer mean when he was talking about dirty tricks was this a reference to his ex employers at the uup.

  • davidbrew

    LOL Tiny
    Sir Knox is possibly the key to this whole riddle

  • Karl Rove

    Well Knox Cunningham did work (PPS) for Macmillan who sat in Churchill’s cabinet, who in turn sat in Lloyd George’s, while the Goat was in Asquith’s, and Squiffy of course first sat in Gladstone’s. QED Michael McGimpsey supports Home Rule.

  • Paul L

    In 42 years of existence I have yet to read the Sunday World. I am not sure I even know what size it is. But again, isn’t that always the excuse?

    But, um, yeah, I too would have liked to read some press account of this ‘scandal’, not least as I am still just a touch puzzled as to how the DUP were behind it.

  • Karl Rove

    How I miss this thread. Almost at much as I imagine the people of South Belfast miss David Archer canvassing them on behalf of his (ex?) employer Michael McGimpsey. Anyone any word on whether he is treading the hard streets of Malone, dancing the light fantastic in Stranmillis, fandangoing around Finaghy? One dreads to think how many votes the UUP might lose if he’s not there to spread the word.

    Don’t be DUPed!

    One grubby polaroid …

    NIO private polls etc

  • Rethink

    Yes according to the Sunday World, David Archer is currently in London.

  • Tiny

    Can anyone out there suggest the name of a reliable and ‘straight’ masseur specialising in ‘sports injuries’, from reading todays Sunday World finding a relaible one is difficult