SDLP meltdown to follow a Durkan defeat?

Actor and social entrepreneur, Gearóid Ó Cairealláin casts his naionalist eye over the closest constituency fights. He reckons McLaughlin will just shade it in Derry and that the SDLP will go into some kind of meltdown.

  • peteb

    Mick

    Hmm.. Gearóid Ó Cairealláin has been busy writing favourable pieces for SF.

    He had his say in an article in the Daily Ireland, which included an alternative view from Martin Morgan

  • Keith M

    The constituency name is Foyle. Personally from a pro-union perspective, I think it might be better for McLoughlin, as it will serve as a great wake-up call to the SDLP of their last few year’s of simply being political bodyguards for SF/IRA. We McGrady and McDonnell to be the only SDLP MPs on May 6th, I would feel a lot more confident in the future of the SDLP as a real alternative to the shinners.

  • PatMcLarnon

    ‘Hmm.. Gearóid Ó Cairealláin has been busy writing favourable pieces for SF.’

    Scandalous, favourable pieces indeed. No invites to write for the Sindo et al for that boyo.

  • El Matador

    This nightmare scenario in Foyle will not come to pass. People in Derry don’t forget that while the provos were bombing the hell outta the city, it was the SDLP that fought tooth and nail to bring jobs to the area in order to give the people of both sides of the community a better standard of living.

  • Davros

    How come Martin McGuinnes doesn’t stand in Foyle ?
    Was he frit of John Hume ?

  • queens_unionist

    “How come Martin McGuinnes doesn’t stand in Foyle ?”

    because he has a safe seat in Mid Ulster surely.
    not if i could help it but i think he does

  • peteb

    Scandalous? No.

    Interesting? Yes.

  • Davros

    because he has a safe seat in Mid Ulster surely.

    And why has he stood in Mid Ulster over the years rather than take on Hume ? Frit ? 😉 Is he frit of Durkan ?

  • offer it up

    Two interesting articles. I think Marty lets himself down a bit with the old chesnut of “How do MPs fully influence and deliver when they don’t participate, as is the case with Sinn Féin?” SF are abstentionist in principle, whilst the SDLP are abstentionist in practice. Furthermore, SF have a fully staffed office in Westminster which enables them to monitor legislation and parliamentary activity without having to compromise their Irish republicanism by swearing an oath of allegiance to the British Queen. The SDLP don’t.

  • Gum

    Davros,

    as far as I know, Martin McGuinness stood in Mid-Ulster for the first time in 1997. SF realised that while they would never beat Hume in Derry, a big name could shore up enough votes to beat Willie McCrea in mid-Ulster. So they switched him there, and duly took the seat.

    Heard a rumour a few months ago that SF were thinking of moving him back to Foyle to be sure of taking both seats, but dont think there was much truth to it.

  • sean west

    Hume was a waste of space.Good riddance to him,he did nothing only appear like an uncle tom on T V.
    Any way he loved Ted(i wanna crack at one of the McCartney girls)Kennedy.Another waste of space who just loved old eireann.

  • Gum

    Sean,

    I agree fully with you on Ted Kennedy, but we ALL owe John Hume a lot for sheer perseverence. I’m not an SDLP supporter – and really believe them to be irrelevant after seeing Durkan on Frost recently – but unionist/republican/other, we all have a lot to thank John Hume for.

  • sean west

    I seem to remember Hume and Gerry Fitt calling for guns back in 69.

  • Henry94

    McCann’s running in Foyle. Who will that hurt?

  • J Kelly

    No one in particular. At the assembly election his preferences went almost 50/50 to Sinn Fein and the SDLP. I do not believe that he will get a similar vote this time as the novelty factor is gone.

  • Alan

    Offer it up,

    *Furthermore, SF have a fully staffed office in Westminster which enables them to monitor legislation and parliamentary activity without having to compromise their Irish republicanism by swearing an oath of allegiance to the British Queen.*

    If you believe this, you simply don’t understand Westminster.

    SF should swallow their scruples for the sake of their constituents and keep protesting until the oath is replaced. Abstention is abdication of responsibility.

  • Liam

    Boy haven’t the true standard bearers of Irish Republicanism stooped t a new level!! Monitoring parliamentary activity indeed !! Come on lads, you have stooped all the way from the early 80s of smash Stormont to fully legitimising British rule in NI, why doesn’t Gerry and co go the full way

  • DerryTerry

    Liam, surely you don’t mean the real true standard bearers of Irish Republicanism, who stoop by the proclamation, or at least the bits that don’t talk about military training, gallant allies and striking for her freedom.

    And just on the purely factual basis, why would you want to smash Stormont in the 1980s?

  • Liam

    sorry,Derry Terry,

    but what point are you trying to make here. Have a wee read of the proclamation again and give me a shout again.

    BTW any truth in the rumours that the Republican movements posters in Derry in 2001 were recycled smash Stormont rule posters!!! Come on tell us – I’ve had a good day laughing at the cocky Shinners in Derry – another laugh wouldn’t go amiss!!

  • DerryTerry

    Sorry, should have read “stand” by the proclamation, not “stoop”, silly mistake, no offence intended.

  • Liam

    trying to rewrite the sacred proclamation – just like the Republican movements rewriting of recent Irish history. Oops, shouldn’t have said that. So sorry for hurting your feelings DerryTerry!!

  • DerryTerry

    Liam, i seem to be losing my grasp of Irish history as i ponder your wise words.

    There was me thinking the Proclamation was read at the GPO in 1916, at the start of an armed rebellion by Irish Republicans against the British presence, when constitutional nationalism was asking young Irish men to die on the fields of France for the freedom of small nations.

    There was me thinking the Proclamation was the manifesto of an armed rebellion that had been organised by a militant Republican organisation, the IRB, who proudly recognised their develpment from the Fenians.

    Silly, silly me.

  • DerryTerry

    Liam, you might want to take a look at it yourself.

    IRISHMEN AND IRISHWOMEN: In the name of God and of the dead generations from which she receives her old tradition of nationhood, Ireland, through us, summons her children to her flag and strikes for her freedom.

    Having organised and trained her manhood through her secret revolutionary organisation, the Irish Republican Brotherhood, and through her open military organisations, the Irish Volunteers and the Irish Citizen Army, having patiently perfected her discipline, having resolutely waited for the right moment to reveal itself, she now seizes that moment, and, supported by her exiled children in America and by gallant allies in Europe, but relying in the first on her own strength, she strikes in full confidence of victory.

    We declare the right of the people of Ireland to the ownership of Ireland, and to the unfettered control of Irish destinies, to be sovereign and indefeasible. The long usurption of that right by a foreign people and government has not extinguished the right, nor can it ever be extinguished except by the destruction of the Irish people. In every generation the Irish people have asserted their right to national freedom and sovereignty : six times during the past three hundred years they have asserted it in arms. Standing on that fundamental right and again asserting it in arms in the face of the world, we hearby proclaim the Irish Republic as a Sovereign Independent State, and we pledge our lives and the lives of our comrades-in-arms to the cause of its freedom, of its welfare, and its exaltation among the nations.

    The Irish Republic is entitled to, and hereby claims, the allegiance of every Irishman and Irishwoman. The Republic guarantees religious and civil liberty, equal rights and equal opportunities to all its citizens, and declares its resolve to pursue the happiness and prosperity of the of the whole nation and of all its parts, cherishing all the children of the nation equally, and oblivious of the differences carefully fostered by an alien government, which have divided a minority from the majority in the past.

    Until our arms have brought the opportune moment for the establishment of a permanent National Government, representative of the whole people of Ireland and elected by the suffrages of all her men and women, the Provisional Government, hereby constituted, will administer the civil and military affairs of the Republic in trust for the people.

    We place the cause of the Irish Republic under the protection of the Most High God, Whose blessing we invoke upon our arms, and we pray that no one who serves that cause will dishonour it by cowardice, inhumanity, or rapine. In this supreme hour the Irish nation must, by its valour and discipline and by the readiness of its children to sacrifice themselves for the common good, prove itself worthy of the august destiny to which it is called.

  • Liam

    Commendable history lesson, many thanks for that – it’ll help me with my employment, ha ha!!!

    Still, I do think that Cathal Brugha et al would be turning in their graves at the thought of the betrayal of the Republican leadership today. God, what Republican principles do Sinn Fein have left, considering the amount of stooping they have done in the last ten years. Quite sad.

    BTW, any mention of the smash stormont posters. Commendable environmental policy, though.

  • Liam

    Copy and paste that from the Sinn Fein website, DerryTerry???

    I hope that you will remind the nationalist electorate how the republican movement upholds Connollys marxist rantings!!!

    I’ll get back to you – must start on my Sinn Fein mantra book for the next week!!!

  • derryman

    SF local candidate is weak-unfortunately. He is now saying that the murder of Jean McConville isn’t counted as a crime.

  • DerryTerry

    Whats wrong Liam, don’t mind standing by the Procalamation but cann’t bear actually reading it? And surely you don’t mean that about James Connolly, what with Mark Durkan parading around Derry with Pat Rabbitte. Better not tell him Connolly was mad.

    Seriously though Liam, the nature of this discourse clearly explains why Durkan is under pressure in Foyle. One minute the SDLP are trying to out chuck the chucks, the next they are trying to put the boot in. Just like Durkan, it is confused and confusing, leaving everyone, your supporters included, wondering just what you stand for.

  • Jeremy

    What about the thread topic? Will the SDLP go into meltdown if Durkan loses. Assuredly so? West Tyrone indicates a clear lack of cohesion in the sdlp and respect for the leader. If Durkan cant get elected the west Tyrone malaise will spread to other areas. Who is the next leader? Will Morgan come back post Durkan?
    I dont think much of the SDLP. Frankly I think its the equivalent of a bloc of independents. That said I simply base my assessment of a post-Durkan meltdown on the reality of political life. Durkan may not lose but should he then the SDLP will have received a fell blow. When an army’s general is killed its usually the start of a rout or the end of a rout. Which this may be for the SDLP is not clear

  • harry

    The SDLP meltdown started several years ago

    All we are seeing now is a continuation of that trend.

  • Liam

    Jeremy,

    could you keep your crystal ball predictions untill after the election results are out!!! Never take the elctorate for granted.
    By simply repeating the issue of the electoral demise of the SDLP without any substantial evidence ad nauseum doesn’t make it correct or mean that it will happen.
    Mark will win Foyle, and a lot easier than many are predicting.
    BTW I’d be interested to know what you’ve based your unbiased assessment of the SDLP???

  • Liam

    Jeremy,

    could you keep your crystal ball predictions untill after the election results are out!!! Never take the elctorate for granted.
    By simply repeating the issue of the electoral demise of the SDLP without any substantial evidence ad nauseum doesn’t make it correct or mean that it will happen.
    Mark will win Foyle, and a lot easier than many are predicting.
    BTW I’d be interested to know what you’ve based your unbiased assessment of the SDLP???

  • DerryTerry

    Jeremy, i have long thought that the SDLP was much more a collection of strong individuals than a modern political party and this is way, over and above the rise of SF, that we are now witnessing its demise.

    When you build a party based on powerful personalities who look as much to cement their own position as that of the party, then talent does not get promoted or fostered until it is too late, because it might be a threat.

    And so we arrive at the SDLP 2005. Neither Mallon, Hume or McGrady should have stood in 2001 but who would they have replaced them with then, indeed who can replace them now?

    AS such the disintegration of the SDLP, perhaps more than its demise, is the natural product of its formation and existence.

  • cj888

    What does ‘social entrepreneur’ mean?

  • Jeremy

    Liam Where did i claim to be unbiased? I think the SDLP is in decline. I think my bias is clear from the post and i didnt waste time dressing it up. Repeating ad nauseum that Durcan will win will not make it happen.

  • bejaysus

    Social Entrepreneur defintion: I don’t have a proper full-time job but I’m very good at getting involved in community projects that are funded by the Government, Europe, US etc…

    Could be wrong…but this country is full of them

  • Paul O

    Talked to a few SDLP party workers – the SDLP are only getting around to thinking about door-to-door cavassing now. SF have been round North Belfast TWICE since Blair called the election. Apparently the situation west of the Bann is even worse. If Mark Durkan holds onto Foyle it’ll be because the electorate feel they owe it to John Hume.

  • barnshee

    DerryTerry
    Its a great model
    I hardly had to change a word

    Protestants: In the name of God and of the dead generations from which we receive our old tradition of freedom, N Ireland, through us, summons her children to her flag and strikes for her freedom.
    Having organised and trained her manhood through her secret revolutionary organisation, and through her open military organisations, having patiently perfected her discipline, having resolutely waited for the right moment to reveal itself, we now seizes that moment, and, but relying in the first on our own strength, we strikes in full confidence of victory.
    We declare the right of the protestant people of N Ireland to the ownership of N Ireland, and to the unfettered control of our destinies, to be sovereign and indefeasible. The long attacks of that right by a foreign people and government has not extinguished the right, nor can it ever be extinguished except by the destruction of the protestant people. In every generation the protestant people have asserted their right to freedom and sovereignty : Time without number during the past three hundred years we been assailed by armed murder gangs. Standing on that fundamental right and again asserting it in arms in the face of the world, we hearby proclaim the N Ireland as a Sovereign Independent State, and we pledge our lives and the lives of our comrades-in-arms to the cause of its freedom, of its welfare, and its exaltation among the nations.
    The N Ireland is entitled to, and hereby claims, the allegiance of every Protestant The N Ireland guarantees religious and civil liberty, equal rights and equal opportunities to all its citizens, and declares its resolve to pursue the happiness and prosperity of the of the whole nation and of all its parts, cherishing all the children of the nation equally, and oblivious of the differences carefully fostered by an alien government, which have divided a minority from the majority in the past.
    Until our arms have brought the opportune moment for the establishment of a permanent National Government, representative of people of N Ireland and elected by the suffrages of all her men and women, the Provisional Government, hereby constituted, will administer the civil and military affairs of the N Ireland in trust for the people.
    We place the cause of the N Ireland under the protection of the Most High God, Whose blessing we invoke upon our arms, and we pray that no one who serves that cause will dishonour it by cowardice, inhumanity, or rapine. In this supreme hour the protestant nation must, by its valour and discipline and by the readiness of its children to sacrifice themselves for the common good, prove itself worthy of the august destiny to which it is called. the common good, prove itself worthy of the august destiny to which it is called.

    Semantics or what?

  • Levitas

    Well done Barnshee….only one problem by inserting a reference to religious denomination into a document which pointedly avoids any sectarian religious differences you have utterly changed the meaning which suggests you understand neither the content nor the context of the document.
    Any eejit could take for example the “Communist Manifesto” by Karl Marx, and replace the terms “class struggle” “proletariat” and “ruling class” with “pepperoni” “anchovies” and “cheese” and then demonstrate that Marx was writing a recipe for Pizza Marinara…..er… yeah, proving what?

  • Levitas

    I suppose Eamonn will be getting his usual support from the maverick German couple (can’t remember their names at the moment) who form the nucleus of the Communist Party of Ireland grouplet around the Foyle-who incidentally in so doing blatantly breach the Communist Party of Ireland’s policy on suporting the GFA and because the CPI is in effect disfunctional these days they ignore the “party line” with impunity-an eclectic bunch the Socialist Environmental Alliance indeed.

  • Fermanagh Republican

    Durkan is safe as SDLP Leader after election defeat by Mitchell McLauglin. There is no other credible leaders, not that Durkan is credible, just the best of a bad lot. McGrady too old and McDonnell, even if he does win S Belfast lacks charisma.

  • Fermanagh Republican

    Durkan is safe as SDLP Leader after election defeat by Mitchell McLauglin. There is no other credible leaders, not that Durkan is credible, just the best of a bad lot. McGrady too old and McDonnell, even if he does win S Belfast lacks charisma.