Rule 42 vote to go down to the wire

Armagh GAA has voted against the changing of Rule 42. Westmeath (along with all the other Leinster counties) has voted for a temporary suspension. In Ulster only Cavan and Donegal have voted for it. A recent telephone poll in the Republic for RTE had a 78% majority in favour of change. Cork’s board decided against without a vote. Chris blogs his reasons for changing his mind.

  • smcgiff

    ‘Cork’s board decided against without a vote.’

    There’s war over this in cork and not a small number of clubs who didn’t get to vote are fumming.

    Some of the clubs have come out saying that when it looked like the motion in favour of the motion looked likely the board decided not to hold a vote.

    It’s almost certain when the actual delegates get to vote on Rule 42 they will vote for the opening of Croker.

    I think it will pass the two third requirements.

  • maca

    And the votes from the Irish jury are:

    Connaught
    * Galway 10 – IN FAVOUR
    * Leitrim 5 – IN FAVOUR
    * Mayo 6 – Deciding on the day, likely against
    * Roscommon 6 – IN FAVOUR
    * Sligo 6 – IN FAVOUR

    Prediction: 27 for, 6 against

    Leinster
    * Carlow 5 – IN FAVOUR
    * Dublin 11 – IN FAVOUR
    * Kildare 9 – IN FAVOUR
    * Kilkenny 5 – IN FAVOUR
    * Laois 10 – IN FAVOUR
    * Longford 6 – IN FAVOUR
    * Louth – IN FAVOUR
    * Meath 11 – IN FAVOUR
    * Offaly 10 – IN FAVOUR
    * Westmeath – IN FAVOUR
    * Wexford 11 – IN FAVOUR
    * Wicklow 8 – IN FAVOUR

    98 for, 0 against

    Munster
    * Clare 10 – IN FAVOUR
    * Cork 11 – OPPOSED (no vote – langers)
    * Kerry 8 – IN FAVOUR
    * Limerick 11 – IN FAVOUR
    * Tipperary 9 – IN FAVOUR
    * Waterford 7 – IN FAVOUR

    45 for, 11 against

    Ulster
    * Antrim 11 – OPPOSED
    * Armagh 7 – OPPOSED
    * Cavan 7 – IN FAVOUR
    * Derry 7 – OPPOSED
    * Donegal 7 – IN FAVOUR
    * Down 8 – OPPOSED
    * Fermanagh 6 – OPPOSED
    * Monaghan 6 – OPPOSED
    * Tyrone 8 – OPPOSED

    14 for, 53 against

  • Davros

    Will labelling Rugby teams as “Celtic” make any difference ? LOL

  • maca

    That’ll do the trick Dav! 😉

  • smcgiff

    Jaysus, Maca, anybody ever tell you how to summarise?

    184 For & 70 Against or 72%, or for all you sensitivity analysis fiends. A margin of safety of 14 votes.

    However, expect individual delegates not to vote with the consensus of their county. Cork should be a good example of this.

  • maca

    Don’t forget the forriners Seamus…

    In “summary”

    Schools/Colleges /Handball
    Difficult to assess where votes will go.
    Prediction: 3 for, 2 against

    Past Presidents
    Ten past presidents can vote. Eight, possibly nine, will vote against
    Prediction: 1 for, 9 against

    Management Committee
    The 11 members of Management include the four provincial chairmen of whom three would be in favour
    Prediction: 5 for, 6 against

    Overseas
    North American Board 8, New York 6, Canada 4, Australia 4, Europe 4. London 5, Britain 30 (Lancashire 5, Yorkshire 4, Warwickshire 4, Scotland 4, Hertsfordshire 4, Gloucestershire 4). Total: 56 votes
    * All 56 overseas delegates are unlikely to travel. The American Boards could oppose changing Rule 42, but Britain and Europe are more likely to favour change
    Prediction: 36 for, 20 against

  • The Devil

    Who the hell cares,

    The sooner they knock the tiphead down the better. That area of Dublin is crying out for a good car park and Croker is the perfect size.

    Just a thought……………..

  • maca

    “Just a thought…” yeah, I saw the smoke.

  • Dreamer

    Dateline, Ireland, March 2016

    This weekend, Croke Park will be the exciting venue as Ireland take on Wales in a grand slammer finale to this years 10 Nations rugby tournament, meanwhile over at Windsor Park in Belfast, all Ireland GAA club champions Cork Rangers will be pitched in a friendly hurling game against Ulster Champions Paisley Memorial, from Ballymena. Expect a treat at both venues. .

  • maca

    2016 World Cup Finald: Ireland 2-9 – Brazil 1-11

  • smcgiff

    ‘2016 World Cup Finald: Ireland 2-9 – Brazil 1-11’

    Last minute goal scored by Ian Paisley Jnr.

  • maca

    “Last minute goal scored by Ian Paisley Jnr.”

    Not THAT’S taking the piss!

  • franc

    That is taking the piss, smcgiff

    Everone knows he’s a goalkeeper

  • kazak stan

    When the new Cusack was built a few years ago a neighbour whom I brought to the match ( he was then 78 years old) looked across from the top of the hogan and recounted to my father and i the time he saw a wild west rodeo at croke park.The animals were coralled benind “an ould wooden stand on the belvedere rugby pitch”He told of the thrill he also got looking at Ali in the 70s.
    He was and still is very proud of the GAA work and thinks it is a wonderful achievemnet for HIS beloved national sports organisation.
    His lifetime of involvement with boxing and athletics as well as gaelic games opened his mind and he i thinks if we have it flaunt it.
    By the way the GAA has more to fear from Sunday shopping and Golf than other field team sports.
    The clubs of Ireland cannot recruit mentors and coaches because most of them are in golf clubhouses or retail parks while their kids are being baby sitted by gaa,soccer and rugby clubs….
    Cop on lads…

  • puck

    Its a bit ironic that Co.Down voted against the suspension of rule 42.They were the county which spearheaded the campaign to allow members of the security forces to play Gaelic games.

    Is Duff,Keane or o’Driscall any less deserving

  • jamesquigley

    I forgot that the gaa was the reason why the I.R.F.U and F.A.I dont have a stadium… Shame on them!!

    There wasnt much about twickenham not being offered to the F.A when wembley had to be demolished, because it was the ‘home’ of rubgy union.

    Or maybe it didn’t suit

  • Dessertspoon

    For years I didn’t really understand GAA games but I’ve had some education from a mate and GAA football player and enjoy watching the football matches on TV. I really like the hurling though.

    Anyway that said apart from the possible unsuitability of the pitch for soccer and rugby I don’t see a problem with using the stadium. It has to be better than allowing all the revenue from the games to leave the country. DO they really not use that huge venue for anything else? Not even concerts or anything? Seems such a waste of a fantastic resource.

  • maca

    James
    “I forgot that the gaa was the reason why the I.R.F.U and F.A.I dont have a stadium… Shame on them!!”

    You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about do you?
    The IRFU HAVE a rugby stadium, since you’re talking present tense. And while Landsdowne is closed can’t they have Ravenhill if they are stuck, a smaller capacity stadium but a stadium none the less.
    The FAI don’t have a stadium due to their own incompetence and Berties shafting.

    While the GAA certainly should do the decent thing thay shouldn’t be forced to take the blame for the situation the IRFU/FAI have put themselves in.

    Peoples desire to blame the GAA for everything highlights their own anti-GAA attitudes.

    DS
    “DO they really not use that huge venue for anything else? Not even concerts or anything?”

    There’s more to Croke Park that the pitch…
    Conferences & seminars(6+ suites), meetings(85 meeting rooms) (not on the pitch obviously), museum, handball alleys etc etc
    On field there is the odd concert, and some other sporting events.

  • Donnie

    If the GAA do not open up temporarily to other sports they are giving the anti-GAA camp a big stick to beat them with.

  • middle-class taig

    great post Stan

  • maca

    Donnie
    “If the GAA do not open up temporarily to other sports they are giving the anti-GAA camp a big stick to beat them with.”

    True. Though even if the GAA do open Croker up the anti-GAA types will find some other stick to beat them with.

  • Donnie

    Maca,
    “True. Though even if the GAA do open Croker up the anti-GAA types will find some other stick to beat them with.”

    Yeah this is true also. The GAA have every right to try to protect their own interests and I personally would be against opening up all grounds or even just Croke Park to other sports on a permanent basis. However, lifting Rule 42 temporarily will give the GAA some much needed revenue, drag them into the 21st century, and if everyone is honest it would be good PR.

    Tomorrow will tell. However if the vote is a secret ballot I think people have every right to complain about their methods as the GAA likes to think it is democratic but there are too many people making up the rules as they go along.

  • Sam Maguire

    My tuppence would be open it temporarily for the soccer and rugby lads, but central council should stipulate that there’s a nominal surcharge (10 euro as a nice round figure) and they can play away to their hearts are content and landsdowne is ready.

  • Sam Maguire

    nominal surcharge on every ticket that goes straight to the GAA I meant to say

  • Davros

    Bertie :

    Ahern puts pressure on GAA to open Croke Park

    Is this not likely to be counterproductive ?

  • Donnie

    If Bertie pressurises them they’ll rebel and the motion will fail. GAA people can be pretty headstrong and will not be told what to do, especially by Bertie who pushed the Bertie Bowl rather than redeveloping Landsdowne Rd. to benefit the 2 largest sporting bodies in Ireland (after the GAA of course!).

  • maca

    “However, lifting Rule 42 temporarily will give the GAA some much needed revenue, drag them into the 21st century, and if everyone is honest it would be good PR.”

    I certainly agree there.

    The secret ballot is a VERY bad idea, I hope they have enough sense to keep it open.

  • maca

    Add Europe to the Yes list.