SF stand down candidate

Sinn Féin have decided that Deirdre Hargey, previously seen (or not) at Magennis’ Bar the night Robert McCartney was murdered, will not be standing as a candidate in the Belfast City Council elections – despite being selected by the party to contest the election. A SF spokesman is quoted in this Press Association report as saying “A decision was taken not to run more on than one candidate in Laganbank”… well, probably not that particular additional candidate..

Also in the report, Catherine McCartney wants to know the reason for the decision –

[Robert] McCartney`s sister Catherine said tonight that Sinn Fein needed to give a clearer explanation as to why Ms Hargey was not standing.

“I don`t think it`s that clear why they have changed their plans,” she said.

“Deirdre Hargey only gave a statement to the Police Ombudsman through her solicitor after she and others were publicly identified, even though Gerry Adams had appealed long before that for republicans with information to pass it on.

“If this move is as a result of her response, then I would regard it as a sincere step.

“If, however, they have done this simply because of an electoral strategy, then I don`t really think we have moved forward. It`s really up to Sinn Fein to explain what is going on.”

Yes, it is. Whether they will or not is a different matter.

  • Davros

    A sensible decision IMO.

  • John O’Connell

    Why do the Republican Movement need these killers who use knives like the rest of us use pens and keyboards?

    The Republican Movement in its entirety is just a walking threat to the rest of the people of this country, unionist and nationalist alike.

    Why do they need the thugs and the bullies?

    The McCartney sisters have just proven that if you’re winning it in the media Sinn Fein will take note, but if you’re not winning it – like a few other cases and their own case more recently – then Sinn Fein will treat you as if you are the scum of the earth.

    Sinn Fein are a completely media driven party without any sense of decency, morality, or values.

  • fair_deal

    I know Deirdre and I must admit I was very disappointed in her behaviour over this murder. She only joined Sinn Fein a few days before the selection meeting and her family background did not make her a natural shinner.

    When the likes of Deirdre was doing a ‘three monkey’ impression it made claims of republican cover-up ring very true.

  • john

    “Sinn Fein are a completely media driven party without any sense of decency, morality, or values.”

    A bit like Eddie Mc Grady , John

  • AW

    It is sad if someone who just joined any political organisation ends up in a mess like this. Perhaps she and others should consider leaving SF? The lesson here is be a bit more picky about your bed fellows. There but for the grace of God and all that.

    A friend talking about quasi military and political organisations in general said that two types join the idealist and the psychopath and the idealists soon loose their idealism.

    SF has just over a quota and running two candidates would be risky given the recent local background. The decision is as simple as that.

  • John O’Connell

    john

    Hardly the same really.

    Eddie McGrady wasn’t in Magennis’s bar, and I suspect that he wouldn’t have a friend who would “fillet” someone else on his behalf should the desire and opportunity arise.

    In other words he has his own true friends and not cowards who would sneak a knife out of the bar kitchen and use it to impress vulnerable young women like Deirdre Hargey in the darkness of a January night.

  • PatMcLarnon

    ‘Also in the report, Catherine McCartney wants to know the reason for the decision’

    That being so Catherine Mc Cartney should be told in a polite but firm manner to piss off and that it has nothing to do with her.

    It is up to any political party to put up who they want to, likewise it is up to that party to withdraw that person if they so choose. If standing it is up to the electorate to decide if that person is worthy of election.

  • Chris Gaskin

    “Eddie McGrady wasn’t in Magennis’s bar, and I suspect that he wouldn’t have a friend who would “fillet” someone else on his behalf should the desire and opportunity arise”

    What a load of shite!!

    So are the sdlp now saying people should be guilty by association?

    That’s what the brits did in guilford, you’re Irish there fore you must be guilty!

    Are you trying to tell me if one of your friends goes out and kills someone then you are guilty as well?

  • John O’Connell

    PatMcLarnon

    You seemed to be exhibiting the latest traits of Sinn Fein voters by acting like a spoiled brat.

    Catherine McCartney has every right to question SF and their suspension of Deirdre Hargey. The point she makes is a valid one in that it is the case that Deirdre Hargey says she saw nothing in the pub and for her troubles she is dismissed from the party selection. There is inconsistency there.

    Sinn Fein has got to stop seeing the McCartney’s as trouble and begin to realise that they themselves must change.

  • John O’Connell

    Chris Gaskin

    Are you trying to tell me if one of your friends goes out and kills someone then you are guilty as well?

    THere is a difference between the law and morality in this.

    Your friend may not be equally culpable, but there may be a moral onus on him to prevent you from using that knife and ending someone’s life, especially if you have taken a lot of drink or if he perceives himself to be acting out of some kind of duty to impress fellow party members and show them who rules the roost.

  • voter

    Catherine Mc Cartney While obviously mourning the death of her brother outside a bar seems to be intent on creating a political career out of the death

    That’s fine by me but she must also be prepared for criticism when it arrives.

    She supports the psni – thats fine

    she went to America to dispel the romantic myth which Americans have towards Ireland – What makes her the expert (3500 deaths)

    she claimed the Republican movement had a strangle hold on the people of Short Strand – the majority of people within the area still support the republican movement

    she was carrying out the campaign for all the children of Ireland – i thought it was about the murder of her brother in a bar brawl

  • PatMcLarnon

    John O Connell,

    ‘You seemed to be exhibiting the latest traits of Sinn Fein voters by acting like a spoiled brat.’

    Zzzzzzzzzzz.

    ‘Catherine McCartney has every right to question SF and their suspension of Deirdre Hargey’

    Has she been suspended?

    ‘The point she makes is a valid one in that it is the case that Deirdre Hargey says she saw nothing in the pub and for her troubles she is dismissed from the party selection. There is inconsistency there.’

    No inconsistenecy at all, if she saw nothing should she make up something to impress Catherine Mc Cartney? Where is your evidence she was dismissed from the party selection because she said she saw nothing.?

  • fair_deal

    “Catherine Mc Cartney While obviously mourning the death of her brother outside a bar seems to be intent on creating a political career out of the death”

    She and the rest of the family chose not to run in the elections strange if she wants a career as you. (Although the decision was taken after a threat.)

    Pat

    Read what Catherine McCartney said. One of the possibilities she gave as explanation for this move she considered a positive gesture from Sinn Fein. A response could result in praise for Sinn fein and it hardly fulfils the party’s public stated commited to the McCartney family’s cause to tell them to “piss off”.

  • voter

    What threat!!!!!!

  • hensons

    catherine mc cartney says…….lig na bearni…..and thats its SF fault.

  • John O’Connell

    PatMcLarnon

    “No inconsistenecy at all, if she saw nothing should she make up something to impress Catherine Mc Cartney? Where is your evidence she was dismissed from the party selection because she said she saw nothing.?”

    It’s really down to manners. It’s obvious from reading some of the hitters from the SF camp that they have no manners.

    Catherine McCartney, like her sisters, is mourning the loss of her brother in an incident that is being investigated by the police for murder.

    You have to respect that and stop giving the McCartneys grief for having the temerity to stand up to the antichristian system that created the circumstances of Robert’s death. Soon the McCartneys will come to the conclusion that it is simply social justice and morality that is lacking in the SF community and that is why they supported a war that they could never win, and indeed lost. That is why they sacrificed their own – like Robert – because they don’t care.

  • fair_deal

    Voter

    The McGuinness threat

  • hensons
  • PatMcLarnon

    John O Connell,

    It is not down to manners at all, but telling the truth. Has Deirdre Hargey been suspended? You claim she has. You also claim she was dismissed from party selection due to her claiming she saw nothing. What do you base this on?
    You seem to have invented a series of ‘facts’ on which to base you argument, consequently you have no argument at all.

  • Henry94

    It’s a case of dammed if you do and dammed if you don’t again for Sinn Fein. I have no doubt that Deirdre Hargey would have been singled out for abuse by the media if her campaign had gone ahead. She would have become the focus of the election in a way that was unfair to her and damaging to the election as a way of promoting policy positions.

    This was the best decision that could have been taken under the circumstances.

  • John O’Connell

    PatMcLarnon

    “Has Deirdre Hargey been suspended? You claim she has.”

    It’s in the BBC news tonight that she was one of those seven SF members suspended. I heard it on the BBC News at 6pm so there you go.

    “You also claim she was dismissed from party selection due to her claiming she saw nothing. What do you base this on?”

    Where do I say this? Aren’t you the one who’s inventing the facts to suit his argument.

    Is the best that you can do a smear tactic?

  • fair_deal

    Deirdre hasn’t been suspended but in their reporting of this the BBC are saying she was among the seven members suspended. The quality of BBC reporting in the past week or so has been dire.

  • PatMcLarnon

    ‘it is the case that Deirdre Hargey says she saw nothing in the pub and for her troubles she is dismissed from the party selection.’

    John O Connell 8.54PM

  • Mick Hall

    I have no doubt that Deirdre Hargey would have been singled out for abuse by the media if her campaign had gone ahead. She would have become the focus of the election in a way that was unfair to her and damaging to the election as a way of promoting policy positions.

    This was the best decision that could have been taken under the circumstances.

    Posted by: Henry94

    Henry94,

    Fair comment and a reasonable explanation. Pat, to tell someone to piss off, politely or otherwise, weeks after three members of the Provisional Republican Movement murdered their brother, is neither good politics nor common decency.(source as to who committed the murder, the senior members of the IRA who met the McCartneys and offered to top the killers)

    regards

  • Snapper

    I must admit to feeling full of despair when I find the McCartney story being aired again. So much has been written, so much has been said – more losers than winners. The McCartney sisters had the full support of the Nationlist / Republican communities right up to the point where they effectively lost the run of themselves. I personally blame Anthony McIntyre for this appalling situation. Rightly or wrongly they allowed their grief to be used for others to capitalise on. The disgusting suggestion from Margaret Quinn, Suzanne Breen, and McIntyre that a whisper campaign had been started finally killed off any chance for the sister’s campaign to be successful. It was as if this community was being told that the sisters had an unquestionable right to pursue justice at any price. For example, one demanded that the peace process be put on hold untill the killers were found! But if statements like the aforementioned can be aired without incredulity and some form of analysis then is it any wonder that their campaign has unfortunately failed? I genuinely hope that they get justice and the mudering scumbags who killed their brother are put in prison for a very long time – but shame on those who use this story for their own personal ends.

  • iluvni

    ‘It was as if this community was being told that the sisters had an unquestionable right to pursue justice at any price’

    what an incredible statement from Snapper.

  • Scarlet

    Snapper
    It was as if this community was being told that the sisters had an unquestionable right to pursue justice at any price.

    Of course the sisters have an unquestionable right to justice as does any other citizen.

    The Sisters made a mistake by not standing for election as independents on the issues of Justice and human rights. They allowed themselves to be sidelined. They are now a group that hold candle light memorial services and are no real political threat to anyone.

    They should have had the courage of their convictions and went for it and forgot all the political machinations, like if you stand you will only damage the Republican or Nationalist cause. Once you take party political considerations into the balance you are lost. It is like a political party that constantly stands aside for another; it ceases to exist. Their campaign is political and to pretend otherwise was plain daft.

    Unfortunately in this sick place rights on their own don’t matter a jot. No here you have to have a large grunt or grunts behind you and threaten malice. Look at me I am wonderful for I am going to tell Mr Hyde here not to beat the hell out of you. A vote for me is a vote for peace. If that is not intimidation on a grand scale what is?

    I can’t change the actions of someone else but I sure as hell should take responsibility for what I personally do and if everyone in Northern Ireland applied that simple rule we would all be a lot better off.

  • Young Irelander

    Some of the Sinn Fein supporters on this thread sound like members of a cult. Defending criminals and castigating the McCartneys. Shameful stuff.

  • Young Irelander

    Some of the Sinn Fein supporters on this thread sound like members of a cult. Defending criminals and castigating the McCartneys. Shameful stuff.

  • Young Irelander

    Some of the Sinn Fein supporters on this thread sound like members of a cult. Defending criminals and castigating the McCartneys. Shameful stuff.

  • Young Irelander

    Some of the Sinn Fein supporters on this thread sound like members of a cult. Defending criminals and castigating the McCartneys. Shameful stuff.

  • Scarlet

    Young Irlander

    Totally agree it is an utter disgrace that anyone would stoop so low as to attack and dismiss people who simply want justice. Some really sick attitudes and if this is not an orchestrated smear campaign then what is? Also if the news reporting is correct the campaign against the McCartneys has become more than just smear but physical intimidation

    Does brain washing happen in political organisations? Let us try oxymoron No1.

    A vote for Sinn Fein is a vote for Peace!

    Or to put it another way vote for me and I will persuade my associates to let you live in peace. Gee thanks.

  • Alan

    *It was as if this community was being told that the sisters had an unquestionable right to pursue justice at any price.*

    Meaning that SF will fight for your vote, but not for your right to justice?

    Precisely when does support for justice become contingent upon support for SF. That would be a very important matter in an election, wouldn’t it – particularly if it results in vilifying people who’s only crime is to challenge those they believe are denying them justice.

    It hasn’t gone away you know – yet – and if it does go away without justice being seen to be done, it will be a measure of SF’s and the IRA’s disregard for the common people of Ireland.

    At the very least we are seeing SF recognising that, as a result of the McCartney murder raising doubts about republican motives, the double candidature won’t work – perhaps Alex will just have to stay on in South Belfast for a while longer than was hoped.

  • Snapper

    I am delighted to see that those who kindly responded to my thoughts actually read them. Let me try and explain for those hard of hearing. Was it a perfectly reasonable request to have the peace process put on hold untill the issue was resolved? I found that statement to be the most astonishing of all. According to those attacking me, I do not have the right to openly, honestly discuss / question the McCartney situation. By passing comment on their plight and the tactics used I am in some way intimidating them; I am part of a whispering campaign. If I am whispering how come all you lot can hear me? I am attempting to discuss this appalling story out in the open and also trying to highlight that malign forces are at work. I have genuine sympathy for the McCartney sisters – but unfortunately the outcome of this story was entirely predictable. If my words are taken as a threat or as insulting then that is exactly the way those reading them want to take them.

  • Levitas

    The McCartneys are unfortunately for their brothers need for justice in effect a busted flush,but I wish them the best outcome from their civil action.They had a real chance to get this matter sorted out, but unfortunately lost the support of their own community when Antony McIntyre and the Irish Labour Party/SDLP decided to make primarily political capital from them. Thet were seduced into joining in a media circus by McIntyre, and frankly got up the noses of many people who heard and saw them, over-exposurea classic error.If they had stayed in their area, stayed clsoe to their community base-and shown more politcial nous by seeing through the motivations of McIntyre et al, they would have been better off.They were picked up, used, and now they are left handing out leaflets-I wonder where were all their big-shot friends when that incident occurred? Out electioneering no doubt.

  • iluvni

    ‘They were picked up, used, and now they are left handing out leaflets’

    ….what, like at the Ard Feis where they received a standing ovation when it was assumed they’d returned to the fold?
    Now, it’s back to threats and intimidation…

  • Snapper

    For the record iluvni, the McCartney sisters went to the Ard Fheis of their own volition and when asked the same question stated they had no regrets. One of the sisters also stated on The Late Late Show that those present at the conference were true republicans unlike the mudering scumbags who killed Robert. So once again another “concerned” contributor is exposed. Im curious – when was the last time any one of you gave a hoot about catholics being murdered by anyone other than those connected to the Republican movement?

  • bollix

    As a moderate nationalist / catholic / namby-pamby liberal, I would like to register my support for the mc cartney family. And by support, i mean support. I don’t mean blackening the families name, criticising the victim of the murder, intimidating the family, calling into question their integrity, veractiy or motives, shifting the issue, blaming others or washing of hands. I have seen all of these tactics used either in slugger or in the media by the broader republican movement.
    I suppose the worst has been done to the family by the murder of their brother, but do we really have to listen to mealy-mouthed weasel words like we heard from Joe O’Donnell from SF saying that maybe the mc cartneys were intimidated last night, but maybe it was the mc cartneys who were intimidating others. I am sickened by SF trying to portray themselves as honest brokers, in the middle, trying to help sort out this problem, when in reality they are up to their necks in it.

    The aspirational statements from the SF leadership i welcome and they are positive things. Calling people to do all that they can to assist in the investigation, and calling on those IRA members who carried it out to make full statements is great. But we still have the other campaign running on in the background to discredit the mc cartneys.

  • Libero

    If there has not been a whispering campaign against the McCartneys, why have I been hearing very similar whispers against them?

    If all of this proves one thing, it is that SF has been on the defensive in PR terms for some time now. That is an important thing in politics. Instead of preaching their message they are formulating talking points for the true believers. The kind of thing that will leave party hacks thinking they have not lost the argument and are in the right, but which will not convince 80% of Catholics, e.g. the McCartneys are being party political, it was a busy bar, etc.

  • DCB

    Utter crap, if they hadn’t gone to the media absolutly nothing would have happened.

  • sanpper

    Libero – can you state exactly what whispers you heard? I get the distinct feeling that you are making this up. I live in the heart of West Belfast and haven’t heard a dickey bird. I have however heard a lot of people getting fed up with the whole story – each one of them by the way coming to their own conclusions. Again I ask the question – is that wrong?

  • snapper

    Just noticed that I can’t spell – sanpper!

  • Davros

    To me the McCartney issue illustrates the problems SF will face if/when they sign up for policing. What to do with “old comrades”, dealing with old loyalties.

  • middle-class taig

    Young Irelander

    “Some of the Sinn Fein supporters on this thread sound like members of a cult. Defending criminals and castigating the McCartneys.”

    I was shocked to read you post. I agree with you wholeheartedly that criticism of the McCartney sisters is entirely inappropriate in this context, not least because their campaign is currently part oftheir grieving process, and its failure up till now must make that grief all the more sharp.

    However, I went and read through again to see who could possibly have been defending Robert’s killers. I think you’ve been unfair. Nobody was doing that. Who intheir right mind would?

    Pat, I don’t think anyone would consider it inappropriate for SF to take into account the sensitivities of bereaved members ofthe nationalist community in their selection of electoral candidates. What would be inappropriate would be for anyone to behave dismissively towards the bereaved family. Enough people already treat nationalists dismissively. Don’t you agree?

  • iluvni

    ‘Im curious – when was the last time any one of you gave a hoot about catholics being murdered by anyone other than those connected to the Republican movement’

    What a sad little comment from Snapper…again.
    Can you not cope with the reality that many in the community care more than their erstwhile defenders, eh?

  • snapper

    I can cope with most of what life throws at me – but I can’t cope with those who risk all the hard work to bring this peace process to a successful conclusion – including bar room murdering bastards. People like iluvni who snipe from the sidelines and shamefully use the McCartney story for political reasons make me sick. No doubt you will soon be joining the Anthony McIntyre appreciation society.

    Ball not man please Snapper A.U.

  • Joiner

    Snapper – where do I sign up for the I Hate Anthony McIntyre fan club? Are you president or just a member? Sounds like fun! Do we get badges?

  • kitty

    “The McCartney sisters had the full support of the Nationlist / Republican communities right up to the point where they effectively lost the run of themselves”

    True, until they forgot the history of their neighbours and friends within the Short Strand and wider Republican community.
    Efficetively, the SDLP and others have dumped them to the sidelines when they saw that the anti-Sinn Fein tripe was not going to wash with the electorate. I feel sorry for the women, in truth, they handled this very badly.

  • snapper

    A.U. – I am trying very hard not to get personal. Everyone has their breaking point.

  • Breaking point

    Don’t worry, Snapper. I hold Anthony McIntyre personally responsible, too. It’s all his fault.

  • iluvni

    ‘People like iluvni who snipe from the sidelines and shamefully use the McCartney story for political reasons make me sick. No doubt you will soon be joining the Anthony McIntyre appreciation society.’

    For political reasons?…that’s the cop-out fit-all-awkward-questions excuse, isn’t it, for those who wish the McCartney ‘problem’ to go away.
    The reality here, snapper, is that the world looking on, is day after day, seeing the real face of Sinn Fein /IRA being exposed. The threats, the intimidation, the cover-ups..need I go on.
    When the spotlight is turned on their activities, by a Republican family, who have had the courage to stand up and demand ‘justice’, all the excuses, all the propaganda and all the power of the Republican movement is turned on them in a desperate attempt at self-preservation.

  • Is it just me or what?

    All
    Would somebody work towards focusing on the main issue here and that is the apprehension of McCartneys murderers. Nobody has the right to blame Sinn Fein for this and yes the sisters are unfortunetly being used by PSNI, SDLP and the muppets in America/England who know little or nothing about the North and try to take moral high grounds (Trying!). The PSNI could put this matter to bed but are milking the bad publicity. The attemted knocking of Republicans using the murder is like linking the Popes death to Glasgow Celtics loss the other week….no sence.The North is a complex issue and those trying to use this issue to deride a culture are foolish. I hope this brings Sinn Fein to a position of prominence as the largest party in the North and stop the “Divide and Conquer” policy that England has used in the past. It is condescending to say the least. Sinn Fein is our hope a beacon for the future we decide not them what it is about. In short give up the murderers and vote Sinn Fein. John Bull and Uncle Sam stay out where you are not welcome!
    Le Meas

  • Young Irelander

    Is it just me or what?

    Sinn Fein have hindered attempts to bring the perpetrators to justice. This is what the family are saying. There is clearly a smear campaign being use against them and it doesn’t take a genius to work out who is behind it!

    Interesting pseudonym by the way. If only it wa ‘just you’ but sadly there are more who believe the nonsense you espouse.

  • Young Irelander

    Is it just me or what?

    Sinn Fein have hindered attempts to bring the perpetrators to justice. This is what the family are saying. There is clearly a smear campaign being use against them and it doesn’t take a genius to work out who is behind it!

    Interesting pseudonym by the way. If only it wa ‘just you’ but sadly there are more who believe the nonsense you espouse.

  • Young Irelander

    Is it just me or what?

    Sinn Fein have hindered attempts to bring the perpetrators to justice. This is what the family are saying. There is clearly a smear campaign being use against them and it doesn’t take a genius to work out who is behind it!

    Interesting pseudonym by the way. If only it wa ‘just you’ but sadly there are more who believe the nonsense you espouse.

  • Young Irelander

    Is it just me or what?

    Sinn Fein have hindered attempts to bring the perpetrators to justice. This is what the family are saying. There is clearly a smear campaign being use against them and it doesn’t take a genius to work out who is behind it!

    Interesting pseudonym by the way. If only it wa ‘just you’ but sadly there are more who believe the nonsense you espouse.

  • snapper

    Young Irelander – you say that there is clearly a smear campaign. Please enlighten me with some hard evidence. I hope you are not calling every single nationailst / republican who is honestly and openly discussing this case as part of that campaign. I refer you to my previous comments – do the McCartney sisters have an unquestionable right to pursue justice for their brother at any cost? I am not under any circumstances trying to stop them from getting justice, but you simply cannot be allowed to go unchallenged when you state for example that the peace process must be put on hold until the murderers are brought to justice! The fact that many people are no longer sympathetic to their cause (unfortunately) speaks volumes. No smear campaign was initiated – people came to their own conclusions.

  • al

    Has the Danny Morrison board closed down ? Seems to be an overspill of his clients here today with all the anti Anthony McIntyre guff. What is about SF groupies that makes them unable to entertain even the slighest criticism ?

  • Young Irelander

    snapper,

    You are aware of the abuse the McCartneys suffered last night aren’t you? The names their brother was called? Don’t play the fool. You know full well there is a smear campaign being directed against them.

    Do the McCartney sisters have an unquestionable right to pursue justice for their brother at any cost you ask? Of course they do man! Alot of republicans have seen fit to castigate this family. As I wrote on my own blog, the famous quote by Bobby Sands says: “Our revenge will be the laughter of our children.” Robert McCartney’s child will grow up learning that his father was murdered by IRA men and that his family were harassed as they tried to attain justice. Did Bobby Sands give his life for an Ireland like this? I think the fact that you question the right of the McCartney family to pursue justice is incredibly disturbing and, quite frankly, disgusting.

  • Young Irelander

    snapper,

    You are aware of the abuse the McCartneys suffered last night aren’t you? The names their brother was called? Don’t play the fool. You know full well there is a smear campaign being directed against them.

    Do the McCartney sisters have an unquestionable right to pursue justice for their brother at any cost you ask? Of course they do man! Alot of republicans have seen fit to castigate this family. As I wrote on my own blog, the famous quote by Bobby Sands says: “Our revenge will be the laughter of our children.” Robert McCartney’s child will grow up learning that his father was murdered by IRA men and that his family were harassed as they tried to attain justice. Did Bobby Sands give his life for an Ireland like this? I think the fact that you question the right of the McCartney family to pursue justice is incredibly disturbing and, quite frankly, disgusting.

  • Young Irelander

    snapper,

    You are aware of the abuse the McCartneys suffered last night aren’t you? The names their brother was called? Don’t play the fool. You know full well there is a smear campaign being directed against them.

    Do the McCartney sisters have an unquestionable right to pursue justice for their brother at any cost you ask? Of course they do man! Alot of republicans have seen fit to castigate this family. As I wrote on my own blog, the famous quote by Bobby Sands says: “Our revenge will be the laughter of our children.” Robert McCartney’s child will grow up learning that his father was murdered by IRA men and that his family were harassed as they tried to attain justice. Did Bobby Sands give his life for an Ireland like this? I think the fact that you question the right of the McCartney family to pursue justice is incredibly disturbing and, quite frankly, disgusting.

  • Young Irelander

    snapper,

    You are aware of the abuse the McCartneys suffered last night aren’t you? The names their brother was called? Don’t play the fool. You know full well there is a smear campaign being directed against them.

    Do the McCartney sisters have an unquestionable right to pursue justice for their brother at any cost you ask? Of course they do man! Alot of republicans have seen fit to castigate this family. As I wrote on my own blog, the famous quote by Bobby Sands says: “Our revenge will be the laughter of our children.” Robert McCartney’s child will grow up learning that his father was murdered by IRA men and that his family were harassed as they tried to attain justice. Did Bobby Sands give his life for an Ireland like this? I think the fact that you question the right of the McCartney family to pursue justice is incredibly disturbing and, quite frankly, disgusting.

  • kitty

    “The threats, the intimidation, the cover-ups..need I go on.”

    Yes I really wish you would and perhaps provide a chronicle of what you claim here. Now not rumour mind you, but some facts eh?

  • kitty

    “Sinn Fein have hindered attempts to bring the perpetrators to justice. This is what the family are saying.”

    So can we have some evidence of this then?

  • iluvni

    kitty,
    Without rehashing the whole debate about what happened in the Bar, do you dismiss the warnings and threats issued to the women last night as ‘rumour’?

  • Young Irelander

    kitty,

    You want me to provide you with evidence that the McCartneys feel Sinn Fein are hindering attempts to bring the perpetrators to justice? Is that correct? I can if you want me to.

  • Young Irelander

    kitty,

    You want me to provide you with evidence that the McCartneys feel Sinn Fein are hindering attempts to bring the perpetrators to justice? Is that correct? I can if you want me to.

  • Young Irelander

    kitty,

    You want me to provide you with evidence that the McCartneys feel Sinn Fein are hindering attempts to bring the perpetrators to justice? Is that correct? I can if you want me to.

  • Young Irelander

    kitty,

    You want me to provide you with evidence that the McCartneys feel Sinn Fein are hindering attempts to bring the perpetrators to justice? Is that correct? I can if you want me to.

  • troy

    The fact is that people within the area are sick and tired of listening to the McCartneys.

    Yes they deserve justice,everyone has that right.

    Many families within the area have lost loved ones during the last thirty years.

    Many of those deaths wre attributed to loyalists who were being managed by the British security services.

    Yet,locals are expected to support a force which still contains many of the handlers and high ranking officers who helped to finger their loved ones.

    The Mc Cartneys may well have every confidence in this force,but many do not.

    The Mc Cartneys have every right to publicise their brothers death,but in trying to denigrate a whole community for the fault of a few,is hardly the way to go about it.

    They have claimed that the Short Strand community is under a stranglehold from Republicans.

    This is false.

    If it had not been for the Republican movement,this area would not even exist.

    Where were the cameras in 2002 when the community had to face an onslought from loyalism supported by the so called constitutional unionist politicians

    Where were the news reports about the 30th anniversary of the bombing of the strand bar in which six died and many others were maimed.

    The Short Strand community as a whole has suffered and when they see the Mc Carteys trying to condemn everyone for their brothers death and using elements who have always been hostile to the rights of local people even to live in that area,it is pretty offensive.

    Yes, justice for Robert,but not at the expense of trying to criminalise a whole community.

  • Davros

    It’ll be interesting to see if the SF candidate’s vote goes up or down.

  • Young Irelander

    troy,

    How are the McCartneys “trying to denigrate a whole comunity”? That’s more bullshit. It seems the smear campaign against the McCartneys has made its way onto Slugger.

  • Young Irelander

    troy,

    How are the McCartneys “trying to denigrate a whole comunity”? That’s more bullshit. It seems the smear campaign against the McCartneys has made its way onto Slugger.

  • Young Irelander

    troy,

    How are the McCartneys “trying to denigrate a whole comunity”? That’s more bullshit. It seems the smear campaign against the McCartneys has made its way onto Slugger.

  • Young Irelander

    troy,

    How are the McCartneys “trying to denigrate a whole comunity”? That’s more bullshit. It seems the smear campaign against the McCartneys has made its way onto Slugger.

  • troy

    Davros

    It will also be interesting to see if any of the allegations about your sectarian comments in the past will turn out to be true

  • Davros

    ah, another troll not to feed 🙂
    I did wonder.

    Bob the Builder’s vote seems to have touched a nerve LOL