Sinn Féin facing overwhelming press campaign?

Damien Kiberd argues that Gerry Adams’ attempts to bring the IRA on board, will ineviatably face a concerted campaign amongst the press. He identifies two problems in particular that he believes causes anxiety in the Republican heartland at the prospect of IRA disbandment:

In the first place the process of dismantling the IRA’s military machine was supposed to take place in tandem with the dismantling of Britain’s military presence in the six counties. There is no particular evidence to show that Britain has taken this task seriously: even the Free State minister Dermot Ahern – who is no friend of Sinn Féin – drew attention to this problem in recent days.
Secondly, what will happen if loyalists attack Catholic districts in Belfast and elsewhere this summer or in 2006 and 2007? Clearly, members of the republican movement will try to defend their areas against attack, but if they do so will they not be accused of hypocrisy by the Dublin and London media.

  • cladycowboy

    That old nutshell.

    Let’s just say that if USA wasn’t so strong and the Native American culture and society not so dissiapted then i’d argue stronger on that one.
    However, the native Americans where many different ‘nations’. The Irish were and are one.
    We’re still standing with the same arguement.
    Two wrongs don’t make a right Bobby

  • Davros

    The Irish were and are one.

    That’s palpable nonsense – are you saying the so called “Ulster Scots Prods” who went to the USA were one with the “Catholic Gaels ” ?

    This self-serving twaddle about the Irish peacefully settling round the world is a gross distortion of history.
    People from Ireland have enthusiastically been every bit as agressive and every bit as unpleasant to those they got control over as most other peoples when they went through an expansionist phase. Ireland slaved and raided. Ireland colonised parts of Scotland, England and Wales. Irish people took part in wars of aggression against people they regarded with exactly the same sort of contempt as the Normans and Elizabethan English regarded The Irish. They didn’t become angels out of any moral or ethical consideration , they lost out in the advance of technology etc and were militarily inferior – otherwise they would have been doing what the Spanish,French, English, Germans etc did in the middle ages onwards.

  • cladycowboy

    I meant at the time of invasion.

    Yeah, super history there Davros. Just a slight wee problem there with that one. Ireland does not currently annexe another country. Irish foreign policy is one of neutrality. Fighting Irish indeed.
    You’ll find our differences would ease somewhat if Britain still didn’t occupy Ireland.
    Like i said the Irish have integrated, even if they entered any territory as violent invaders hehe, eventually.
    Why the feck has the British in Ireland never been able to do that??Why?

  • Davros

    I meant at the time of invasion.

    again that’s a distortion of history – Some Irish fought with and some against the Normans 🙂

    Spare us the deedly-dee history CC.

    Yeah, super history there Davros. Just a slight wee problem there with that one. Ireland does not currently annexe another country.

    Because it couldn’t.It had a vague try in the end of the 60’s and got cold feet LOL

    It lost out in the second millenium AD – it’s fortunes waned as other European powers fortunes grew.

    However in your twaddle you talked of Irish people peacefully settling round the world in the Past … that’s untrue. Now You have changed your tune – in the post I objected to you tried to present the Irish down through history as having been peaceful settlers. That was easily nailed. So don’t cry “that was then” CC when I disprove your propoganda. All those plastic paddies are living in land that’s more recently taken than lands in Ireland were taken.
    And one things for sure – Nobody sensible in Ireland wants tens of millions of those plastic Paddies to come home – not even if it got the Brits out – it wouldn’t be a price worth paying to have wall to wall martin Galvins LOL

  • cladycowboy

    Davros,

    Your condescension would drive lesser men to violence.

    ‘again that’s a distortion of history – Some Irish fought with and some against the Normans 🙂

    for ‘some’ read a minute vested interest minority, your 12-century stoops.

    ‘Because it couldn’t.It had a vague try in the end of the 60’s and got cold feet LOL’

    Probably tired of war after whooping Britains imperial arse out of the 26 counties and probably has greater foresight that you display.

    ‘However in your twaddle you talked of Irish people peacefully settling round the world in the Past … that’s untrue. Now You have changed your tune – in the post I objected to you tried to present the Irish down through history as having been peaceful settlers. That was easily nailed.’

    In your attempt to offer comparison with Britain’s contempt for Ireland you’ve dug up the days of Irish piracy in the 2-5th century, my, my, thats SO relevant to the point i was making.

    ‘All those plastic paddies are living in land that’s more recently taken than lands in Ireland were taken.’

    Firstly, the Irish i explicitly refer to are the millions that inhabit the island of Britain and so rendering your point as,well, bullshit. Also, ‘plastic paddies’? Second generation Irish in Britain? What the hell does that make you lot of delusional gobshites?

    ‘They didn’t become angels out of any moral or ethical consideration , they lost out in the advance of technology etc and were militarily inferior – otherwise they would have been doing what the Spanish,French, English, Germans etc did in the middle ages onwards.’

    Spanish planters in South America all proud South Americans now not annexed to Spain-same time period. Get with the feckin programme settlers…

    I’m off to bed, maybe its all a dream,ah it must be, no people could surely be this stubborn;-)

  • Davros

    Looks as if this one is settled then – the Irish weren’t as painted by CC European Versions of the Tibetans and Fr McManus isn’t the Dalai Llama.

    ‘Ireland’ behaved no better and no worse than any other country , and the MOPE Irish and the wannabee Irish have no right to claim any moral superiority.

  • JD

    ‘Ireland’ behaved no better and no worse than any other country…

    Irish people certainly behaved appallingly when they took part in the colonial projects of cleansing around the world, but you can’t suggest that this makes Ireland the same as any other colonial power. To imply that Ireland nurtured a policy of colonialist expansion like other European and global powers is disingenuous.

    Forest/ trees, and all that.

  • Mike

    cladycowboy

    “Like i said the Irish have integrated, even if they entered any territory as violent invaders hehe, eventually”

    “Spanish planters in South America all proud South Americans now not annexed to Spain-same time period. Get with the feckin programme settlers.”

    Hold on a minute, those statements are patent nonsense. Neither Irish nor Spanish settlers ‘integrated’ with the natives. Did the Spanish settlers become part of the Inca or Aztec empires? Did the Irish settlers join North American Indian society? No. Both either set up or joined ‘colonial’/’settler’ states far removed from the native societies.

    (BTW, I see another Mike has appeared on the board, might cause some confusion at some point!)

  • GavBelfast

    “Your condescension would drive lesser men to violence.”

    If not said it jest, there would be no better time to take ones leave than after having just uttered that.

    When arguments revolve around how long people have been here or there and the periods concerned are in the many hundreds of years category, it really is “my da’s bigger your da” stuff and an argument not worth the winning.

    What about making the best of the here and now?

  • Davros

    JD – When “it” could Ireland slaved and colonised parts of England , Wales and Scotland – Therefore Ireland can claim no moral superiority. Irish People later on had no qualms about going to the Americas and maltreating and stealing the land of people they felt to be inferior. No moral superiority.

  • JD

    When “it” could Ireland slaved and colonised parts of England , Wales and Scotland

    Are you saying it did so as a modern nation-state?

  • Billy Pilgrim

    Clady Cowboy

    “plastic paddies’? Second generation Irish in Britain? What the hell does that make you lot of delusional gobshites?”

    LOL! We have an early contender for post of the year!

    Seriously Davros, he got you good there! Use of the phrase “Plastic Paddy” has been going into hyperdrive lately, but it’ll be a brave unionist who’ll use the phrase “plastic Paddy” now.

    I’m off to lie down before I laugh my head off!