McDonnell to come through the middle?

The Belfast Telegraph believes the UUP is facing a fight over its political future, suggesting that the DUP candidate’s coup might help create a split deep enough in the unionist vote in South Belfast to let the SDLP’s deputy leader, Alisdair McDonnell in through the middle. Hmm, of course the SDLP is facing its own problems getting the message out. Although one previously jaded insider told Slugger yesterday that the reaction to his party on the doorsteps was more positive than they’ve seen for some years.

  • John O’Connell

    Very good reaction too in Derry to the SDLP on the doorsteps.

    Most Sinn Fein voters are afraid to utter a cheep at the minute with the McCartney murder and the local murders of Mousey Robinson and Dee Dee McGinley. They’re keeping their mouths shut and many of them are pretending to support the SDLP. In fact if the SDLP support was as good as on the doorsteps, Mitchel McLaughlin needn’t bother risking the deposit.

  • Henry94

    Every party that ever lost an election had claimed to be getting a good reaction on the doorsteps. But I do hope he SDLP win South Belfast.

  • Liam

    I agree John,

    the reaction on the ground in Dery is a far cry from a lot of political commentators and republican propagandists are saying. Foyle will be won by MD with a bigger majority than many Republicans dare say.

    Henry,
    Alisdair will have a battle on his hands – he has a big SDLP vote in South Belfast and everything will have to be alright on the night!!

  • Chris Gaskin

    Let’s wait and see are these sdlp party reps as happy after May 5th as they seem to be now

  • John O’Connell

    Chris Gaskin

    That’s a long time to wait. Care to comment now.

    Or do Sinn Fein commentators not really know everything there is about everything.

  • Chris Gaskin

    John

    What exactly would you like me to comment on?

  • John O’Connell

    Chris Gaskin

    The thread actually!

    I don’t think that’s an appropriate question, But I have passed it on to Mick for his decision A.U.

  • rust

    John

    You sound like a guy under pressure..

  • John O’Connell

    AU

    I’m merely attempting to establish whether Chris Gaskin scans the web out of a personal interest in these things or because he is paid to do so by Sinn Fein.

    It’s a fair question, don’t you think? I mean, is he the guardian of the gates for the Provos or is he entitled to say that he just does it for the love of his party?

    I think if he’s paid, he’s in it for the money.

  • John O’Connell

    rust

    Not in the least bit under pressure.

    I can just imagine the little room up the Falls where you guys sit and think of how best to smear your opponents. That is if you cannot beat their argument.

  • Chris Gaskin

    Sorry John

    I missed the question that you posed to me which Ambrose removed, would you mind asking it again?

    “Chris Gaskin scans the web out of a personal interest in these things or because he is paid to do so by Sinn Fein”

    LOL, I wish I was getting paid

    I suggest you speak to some of your stoop collegues in queens, they should be able to tell you that I scan the web out of an interest in politics.

    “is he the guardian of the gates for the Provos or is he entitled to say that he just does it for the love of his party?”

    LOL, you lot are really starting to crack!!

    I think you will find that I am entitled to put forward any view I wish and no stoop will tell me what I am entitled to do or otherwise!

    “I can just imagine the little room up the Falls where you guys sit and think of how best to smear your opponents”

    LOL, ask the doctor to increase the dosage 😉

  • rust

    John

    I’m only making a personal observation

    Theres no need to start attacking and pigeonholing anyone who makes a fairly innocent comment

    I still think you need to take a bit of time out

    Deep breaths can help

  • Chris Gaskin

    BTW John

    “I think if he’s paid, he’s in it for the money”

    Are you trying to suggest I am only a Republican for some sort of financial endowment?

    I think you will find that sort of mentality belongs to the stoops!

  • Sam Maguire

    To get back on topic, it’s a shame the SDLP hierarchy didn’t have the foresight to run Carmel Hanna in SB, a much better candidate and one who would appeal much better to the “soft” SF voters. If I recall correctly McDonnell’s ego initially had her deselected as a City Council candidate – was this ever rectified?

  • Chris Gaskin

    Yes

    The sdlp hirearchy ran an additonal canditate in her DEA so that Hanna could be re-selected

  • Chris Gaskin

    “Carmel Hanna in SB, a much better candidate and one who would appeal much better to the “soft” SF voters”

    I don’t think so, even some of her own party members are pissed with her over her refusal to tow the party line over St Patricks day funding a few years ago.

  • carlosblancos

    “Are you trying to suggest I am only a Republican for some sort of financial endowment?

    I think you will find that sort of mentality belongs to the stoops”

    First, that is a disgraceful comment which insults those SDLP members who stood tall, knocked doors and came under attack from so-called Republicans as well as Loyalists for the last 30 years.

    Second, I think we’re spared in the North from ‘get rich’ politicians however I need not remind anyone of certain Provisionals who have made quite a lot of cash: land in Shortstrand/Petrol in South Armagh. Take your pick mate.

  • Davros

    First, that is a disgraceful comment

    carlosblancos – that’s a bit unfair considering the comments to which Chris was replying.

  • El Matador

    Methinks the SF leadership would be interested in some of the comments Mr. Gaskin has been posting over the past few days. Not doing them any favours in presenting the party as respectful democrats.

    Carlos, I reckon you could draft a nice wee letter with some extracts from slugger and post it to Connolly House 😉

  • carlosblancos

    Davros, I think its a pretty fair comment.

    Who care’s if a contributor is being paid or not? (And I highly doubt he is by the way).

    What I do care about is the insinuation that the SDLP mentality is to get ‘some sort of financial endownement’ from being in the party. I think you’d agree Davros that this is total rubbish. I’d hedge that SDLP membership is actually a hinderance to financial success.

    I am not suggesting that SF leadership is engaged in widespread self enrichment. Far from it. But there are a few who have done well from their Provisional connections.

  • bigwhitedove

    Carlos muchacho,

    With all due respect, I suggest you look at the register of members interests from the last Assembly and also the Public Appointments from the last 4 years, I think you will find being an SDLP member or an Elected Representative is quite fruitful,
    Would anyone dare to guess why SDLP politicains prefer not to name their business partners?

  • Travis

    The SDLP are getting a great reaction on the doorsteps because, despite what media commentators are saying, a lot of people are thoroughly sick sore and tired of Ourselves Alone.

    A lot of people voted for the Shinners because they felt they were the best party to negotiate in their interests but watched in horror as they negotiated with only the interests of their party and their armed wing at heart.

    The only drawback for the stoops is their leader – Durkan is a nice guy and genuine person whose integrity is sound – but he is the wrong man in the wrong job.

    Nevertheless, if Durkan performs poorly and Alisdair Mcdonnell gets South Belfast, we may see McD get the leadership.

    THe SDLP need a bruiser like McDonnell so much. He takes no prisoners, has impeccable credentials and will give direction and firm leadership.

    Hopefully by the time Adams makes his next call to the IRA (I’d say May 2009) to ‘desist-from-actions-which-would-give-credence-to-unionist-claims-that-they-haven’t-really-gone-away-after-saying-that-they-would’, the SDLP will be in a better position to take on corrupt republicanism.

    If not, here’s hoping that those grassroots members of Sinn Fein who do most to get their party the votes, will have instigated a coup against their rotten, decadent, leadership.

  • queens_unionist

    Chris Gaskin wrote
    ‘Are you trying to suggest I am only a Republican for some sort of financial endowment? ‘

    Well there seems to be plenty of money around the provo movement at the moment??
    not casting any aspirtions though.

  • El Matador

    Dove- the Reg. of Membs.’ Ints. at Stormont is a prime example of how LITTLE SDLP reps actually get outside the political arena. SDLP activists are truly WORKING CLASS because they have to work to get by- they don’t have a paramilitaristic slush fund to back them up.

  • queens_unionist

    Well i will admit is is most definietly a two horse race.
    There are two parties on the ground really canvassing for votes.
    SDLP and DUP.
    el matador’s comment regarding Sinn Fein IRA still stands and also,
    everyone knows the down to earth grass roots work ethic of the UUP **sarcasm!**

  • Chris Gaskin

    First of all

    I couldn’t care less what a stoop finds insulting.

    I will not be slandered by a political party on their way out.

    If people want to question my integrity that’s fine, but people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.

    “Methinks the SF leadership would be interested in some of the comments Mr. Gaskin has been posting over the past few days. Not doing them any favours in presenting the party as respectful democrats.”

    What have I said that is untrue?

    “Carlos, I reckon you could draft a nice wee letter with some extracts from slugger and post it to Connolly House ;)”

    LOL, Oh yes I’m sooo scared, catch a grip!!

    “Who care’s if a contributor is being paid or not?”

    I do, I will not have my integrity questioned by anyone.

    Slugger should take note!

    This is the last march of the stoops!

    Boys I understand you are under pressure but don’t try and blame others for your fall from grace.

    What’s that? Fianna Fail by Christmas!!

  • El Matador

    Chris- you like reminding us of your legal genius. Perhaps you’d like to correct the fact you said you were being ‘slandered’- I think you’ll find you mean libelled, given the written and permanent nature of Slugger. Apart from the fact that you are the victim of neither.

    Indicative of SF’s willingness to bend facts and truths perhaps?

  • Chris Gaskin

    “Chris- you like reminding us of your legal genius”

    El Matador (sdlp qub)

    Firstly, I have never pretended to be a Legal genius, yet 😉

    It was of course a slip of the tongue. If you boys are annoyed with anyone it should be yourselves!

    There is only one reason why you lot are looking at electoral oblivion and that’s your policy of stooping.

  • John O’Connell

    Chris Gaskin

    You’re an early riser. There must be free computers at Belfast Tech.

    Who could really believe you when you say you are not paid?

    I hear that all activists get a wee slice of the action in Sinn Fein.

    I hear Northern Bank notes are the order of the day in republican circles – not implying anything.

    But I would be pretty sure that Sinn Fein will wake up and smell the coffee soon enough in relation to electoral success. The Robert McCartney affair has really jolted – just like on the night in question in relation to a neck and a broken glass bottle – many SF voters to think twice about what they’re voting for.

    It’s really up to the party of noble values to take advantage of their little local difficulty. And I know that the SDLP will come through.

  • Chris Gaskin

    “Chris Gaskin

    You’re an early riser. There must be free computers at Belfast Tech.”

    Oh lovely, stoopus maximus has returned to explain his allegations!

    I don’t go to Belfast Tech, I go to qub

    “Who could really believe you when you say you are not paid?”

    Have you any evidence to suggest I am getting paid?

    “I hear that all activists get a wee slice of the action in Sinn Fein.”

    Then you hear wrong

    The sdlp are the ones who pay private companies to put up their posters, not Sinn Féin.

    Our activists do the work totally voluntarily and everyone knows that.

    “I hear Northern Bank notes are the order of the day in republican circles – not implying anything.”

    LOL, of course you are implying something, it’s just that your stoop nature doesn’t allow you the courage to come out and just say it.

    “It’s really up to the party of noble values to take advantage of their little local difficulty. And I know that the SDLP will come through.”

    Delusions are a dangerous thing!

  • El Matador

    Mr Gaskin can hardly complain to ‘Stoopus Maximus’ about unsubstantiated allegations when he himself claims I am from SDLP QUB.

    “The sdlp are the ones who pay private companies to put up their posters, not Sinn Féin.”

    – Yet another, and scurrilously incorrect assertion. SDLP volunteers put up posters gratis. Duh!

  • Chris Gaskin

    LOL, I know of individuals who were paid to put up posters and who canvassed so don’t try and fool anyone with your gratis rubbish.

    BTW El Mat, on a different thread you accepted you were qub sdlp and tried to defend their honor 😉

    It is worth noting what you have previously said before you post again

  • El Matador

    I read in the Antrim Guardian that Martin Meehan has described moves towards standing down as the IRA’s ‘defining moment’. So after thirty-odd years of violence and thousands killed, with no united Ireland, the organisation’s defining moment is it’s decision to quit. Makes you wonder what the ‘war’ was all about.

    At least the provos have finally come round to the idea of SDLP constitutional nationalism, even if their practise of the art is less skilful.

  • Chris Gaskin

    Sorry El Mat but you’re wrong

    If we folowed the sdlp’s example on anything we wouldn’t be where we are now. We would be where you lot are, facing electoral oblivion

  • El Matador

    Mr Gaskin, I would like to see this thread where I apparently claimed to be from QUB SDLP. It would seem republican intelligence may be inaccurate (yet again) 😉

    By the way, apologies for the use of the ‘republican intelligence’ oxymoron!

  • carlosblancos

    It is idiotic to suggest that politics brings increased income. It may do if you are working in some 2nd rate job but those with real earning power tend to avoid politics due to its relativley low financial rewards.

    And I’d appreciate one example of anyone who got rich because of SDLP connections.

    While we’re on it let us not forget the legions of senior provisionals in South Armagh whose bravery for Ireland consists of smuggling petrol/tobacco and selling it for profit.

    Wake up.

  • El Matador

    Sorry Cristeoir- YOU’RE WRONG. The SDLP haven’t had to stage a u-turn on policy. Spin Fein have had to. Universally.

  • Chris Gaskin

    It is on the thread were myself and paddy had a disagreement with you and John Doherty about the size of sdlp in the qub.

    ‘republican intelligence’ oxymoron!

    LOL, A stoop trying to attack Sinn Féin about lack of intelligence LOL

    If that is the case then 342,000 people on this island must also lack intelligence.

    Stoop arrogance knows no boundaries!

  • El Matador

    342,000 out of over 5 million? Hardly resounding support for an ‘all-Ireland’ party. And virtually everyone who votes for the rest of the parties on both sides of the border can’t stick Spin Fein.

    Send me the URL for the aforementioned ‘discussion’ on QUB SDLP. I’d like to see where I apparently claimed to be a member

  • Chris Gaskin

    “While we’re on it let us not forget the legions of senior provisionals in South Armagh whose bravery for Ireland consists of smuggling petrol/tobacco and selling it for profit.”

    Any proof or do you believe everything the Brits tell you?

    “Sorry Cristeoir”

    Is there a reason why you can’t my name properly?

  • davidbrew

    If that is the case then 342,000 people on this island must also lack intelligence.

    Not necessarily- just morals

  • El Matador

    ‘It was of course a slip of the tongue’, Críostóir

  • Chris Gaskin

    “If that is the case then 342,000 people on this island must also lack intelligence.

    Not necessarily- just morals”

    A lawyer talking about morals LOL

    Good one 😉

  • carlosblancos

    Chris,

    The proof of the price is in the buying. Don’t know about you’ve but I’ve seen cheap cigarettes/alcohol/diesel where I live and it ain’t cos we’ve started growing tobabbco plants in West Belfast.

    And no I don’t believe everything the Brits tell me. In fact I don’t believe everything anyone tells me. Here’s another I don’t believe, but sadly legions did:

    ‘Armed struggle will deliver a united Ireland’

    And here is one I do believe:

    ‘Armed struggle will unite Unionism and make reunification more unlikely’

    El Matador,

    Your comment on republican intelligence being an oxymoron is wrong. Everyone who claims allegiance to Ireland on this island is a Republican. Those who chose recently to engage in armed struggle belong to militant republicanism, sometimes called Provisionalism.

    Among its many acheivements, Intelligent republicanism has birthed the Cetlic Tiger, put a tax on plastic bags, and banned smoking in public places.

  • El Matador

    Touché Carlos

  • Chris Gaskin

    “Don’t know about you’ve but I’ve seen cheap cigarettes/alcohol/diesel where I live and it ain’t cos we’ve started growing tobabbco plants in West Belfast.”

    So you don’t have any evidence for your previous claims then?

  • Davros

    Intelligent republicanism has birthed the Cetlic Tiger, put a tax on plastic bags, and banned smoking in public places.

    one out of 3 is a lousy success rate.

  • carlosblancos

    I meant tobacco plant. Never smoked tobabbco and don’t think there a decent profit on it. 😉

  • carlosblancos

    Chris,

    Dogs dans la rue.

  • Chris Gaskin

    Are these dogs pedigree or mongrels?

  • carlosblancos

    West Belfast dogs are pedigree. South Armagh…I think mongrel.

  • El Matador

    Back to the subject of the thread. Alasdair McDonnell is going to win in sotuh Belfast. A community representative and family doctor for the area for a quarter of a century, he is tough on criminality and forceful in defending the rights and interests of everyone in the constituency.

    Vote Alasdair McDonnell on May 5th.

  • carlosblancos

    Davros,

    To which two are you referring as failures?

  • carlosblancos

    Here are the last Westminster figures as a reminder:

    Martin Smyth (UUP) 17,008 (44.8%)
    Alasdair McDonnell (SDLP) 11,609 (30.6%)
    Monica McWilliams (NIWC) 2,968 (7.8%)
    Alex Maskey (Sinn Fein) 2,894 (7.6%)
    Geraldine Rice (Alliance) 2,042 (5.4%)
    Dawn Purvis (PUP) 1,112 (2.9%)
    Paddy Lynn (WP) 204 (0.5%)
    Rainbow George Weiss (Vote for Yourself Party) 115 (0.3%)

    As far as I can see, it depends on SF vote and where the Womens Coalition vote goes. The ex WC voters are unlikley to support Alastair but might vote tactically if it looked like a DUP win. Malone Roaders who may have voted SF before might not now post McCartney

  • El Matador

    Good to see Mr. Gaskin talking sense over on Balrog as regards the bullying issue. Makes a change. Pity the rest of the site seems to be a private conversation between him and PS, self-congratulating about ‘stoop-bashing’.

  • The Watchman

    I also think Alasdair McDonnell is very well placed to win. The moral of the story (for the UUP) is that picking a Trimble man for a marginal unionist seat, like FST in 2001, is a recipe for tears. Unfortunately, those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.

  • Chris Gaskin

    “Good to see Mr. Gaskin talking sense over on Balrog as regards the bullying issue. Makes a change. Pity the rest of the site seems to be a private conversation between him and PS, self-congratulating about ‘stoop-bashing’.”

    LOL, what a sad child you are!

    where exactly is your blog?

  • bigwhitedove

    Carlos amigo,
    You put forward the ahe arguement about Malone Roaders not voting SF in another thread recently, I thought then and still think this is somewhat politically arrogant of you, reeking of class snobbery I would venture,
    The voters on the Malone Rd and elsewhere for that matter can appreciate the difference between what has been reported in the media and what the truth is, after all they read yesterdays editorial in the Irish News about ignoring smear ( sarcasm by the bucket load). Voters have seen since the American visit ( sponsored by?) that there is a serious spin overdrive in relation to this murder.

    Comrade Chris some of your posts are shite and not worthy of a republican, (with all due respect)

    El Matador how can you expect voters to support Big Al on May 5th when half of his party in South Belfast dont support him? why has Carmel not been on the Malone canvassing for him? Why does none of Carmels literature mention him & none of his mention her?

    Mc Donnellls has split the SDLP in more ways than one!!!

  • Chris Gaskin

    “Comrade Chris some of your posts are shite and not worthy of a republican, (with all due respect)”

    bwd, I am dealing with people who think I am a paid Sinn Féin spy!

    What sort of level of debating do you expect?

  • bigwhitedove

    Chris, as you get older you will realise that some punches are easier to roll and that sometimes you should take an eight count before counter punching, i appreciate your defence of the integrity of the struggle but learn to roll a chara

  • Chris Gaskin

    bwd

    You belfast ones still fry my brain LOL

  • rust

    I don’t think McDonnell has the appeal to get the extra votes required to win the seat.

    I think the talk of himself and McGrady being on the ‘Alliance’ wing of the sdlp is unlikely to persuade those of a strong Nationalist leaning to put their x beside Mc Donnell.

    Carmel Hanna would have harnessed a wider spectrum of voters and perhaps it may not be so tight.

  • bigwhitedove

    The middle would need to be pretty wide for Alisdair to get through!!!

  • Henry94

    It’s not because of admiration for McDonnell that people should vote for him but for the chance of taking a unionist seat. Likewise SDLP supporters in North Belfast, FST and Upper Bann should vote Sinn Fein.

  • lorre

    “bwd, I am dealing with people who think I am a paid Sinn Féin spy!”

    I here Alex Maskey has stood down and all SF voters have been asked to tactical vote for UUP. instead of SDLP. With the political treachery of Martin Smyth and Lord Molyneaux, against Michael McGimpsy in South Belfast. even the shinners feel sorry for the UUP candidate.

  • bigwhitedove

    No one from the SDLP or their cheerleaders care to respond to my comments about Alisdair splitting the party in South Belfast?

    If your gonna have cat fights on the street about the party leadership expect it to make its way into the media?

    Does Carmel endorse Alisdair? is she canvassing for him?