Media forces Adams to cancel meeting with family

Apparently a media presence at the Clonard Monastry put Gerry Adams off meeting with family of Derry victim James McGinley.

  • Richard Delevan

    I wonder, Mick, if ‘forced’ isn’t a bit off? After all, the presence of the global media didn’t seem to bother Adams when he led in the McCartney sister and Bridgeen to the RDS for his keynote at the Ard Fheis.

  • Mick

    Fair point. It seems that the party felt someone had breached an agreement to keep the meeting ‘dark’. So perhaps it was a tad misleading of me to have put ‘the blame’ on the media as such.

  • Oilbhear_Chromaill

    Have either Richard or Mick cared to ask Clonard whether or not it’s true that it was the monastery – and not Gerry Adams and co – who objected to the media presence. Surely if that’s the case – and I doubt very much that Gerry Adams is claiming something Clonard won’t stand over in the context of the long and dignified history of the monastery wrt the peace process – then there’s no place for snide innuendo such as contained in Richard’s post.

  • Davros

    Interesting – there’s been plenty of snide innuendo about recently. I wonder why Richard’s post has been singled out for comment ?

  • Oilbhear_Chromaill

    Simple Davros, he’s misrepresenting the facts to score a nasty little point. Not a rare occurence for a person of his ilk but then again what do we expect?

  • Davros

    That doesn’t answer my question OC. Plenty of others misrepesent facts to score nasty little points – so why single out Richard ?

  • Mick

    In this case Oilbhear, I’m just going on what’s been reported. If it’s wrong, this is the place to make the corrective.

    PS, you may not like Richard, but you should at least try to play the ball past him rather than attacking him personally.

  • kitty

    ” That doesn’t answer my question OC. Plenty of others misrepesent facts to score nasty little points – so why single out Richard “

    Well I agree let’s not focus on Richards ‘misrepresentation.’ Let’s talk about others. So Davros, I’ll start with you. Did Rosemary Nelson’s husband attend her funeral? What was that ‘misrepresetation’ about her and Kelly?

  • Davros

    Give it a rest Kitty a.k.a Mary.
    Trolls aren’t welcome at this site 🙂

  • Oilbhear_Chromaill

    My understanding is that the objection was Clonard’s not Sinn Fein. That’s according to the press release issued by SF – and I don’t believe they would lie about something which could so easily be checked out.

    As for personally attacking Richard ‘because I don’t like him’ – don’t talk such nonsense. I have no feelings one way or the other about Richard other than, in my opinion, his contributions to this and other related debates amount to a negative value. I attacked him, personally if you wish, because he misrepresented the facts that’s all.

  • Mick

    Oilbhear. You’re an old timer here. You know the pack drill. The reason we have the ball and not the man rule is not in order to curb passions, but to allow for robust exchange of views without the whole site going down a visceral pan.

  • kitty

    Davros “there’s been plenty of snide innuendo about recently.”

    Ok so I’ll try this again. Let’s talk about innuendo.
    Example- A Female Civil Rights Lawyer is murdered. Her funeral attended by her husband family and friends is shown around the world.
    One day, a Unionist who sometimes poses as a moderate/SDLP voter, writes that the woman was an adulteress( names her purported lover), a slut, states that her husband did not attend her funeral and her lover carried her coffin
    Next example- Another murdered Lawyer- male this time. Same Unionist poser goes on same site to write that the slain lawyer was an IRA man and deserved what he got. Followed by some ‘fenian etc etc etc’ insults.
    Is that you mean by innuendo, or would they qualify as downright lies?
    Maybe Davros, you would give your opinion on this?

  • kitty

    Davros” Give it a rest Kitty a.k.a Mary.
    Trolls aren’t welcome at this site :)”

    And yet here you are!
    Mary?

  • Mick

    If you have a beef with Davros, please take it to whatever site it originated on.

  • kitty

    “If you have a beef with Davros, please take it to whatever site it originated on.”

    No beef at all Mick, all just good honest contributions. Isn’t that the point of this arena?
    But it looks like Davros might have a beef with me- he insists in calling me names, but I am sure I can rely on you to moderate that?

  • Richard Delevan

    Golly – sign I’ve become a lightning rod for certain stripes of opinion – that’s twice this week on this site.

    My reading of the BelTel piece, Oilbhear, was that it was SF who scuppered the meeting, as the headline indicated. The relevant passage is as follows:

    The family of James McGinley was due to meet Mr Adams at Clonard Monastery on Belfast’s Falls Road to discuss their claims republicans in Derry are covering up for and protecting Bart Fisher who is serving a three-year sentence for killing.

    But waiting media were told the meeting was not going ahead although it was confirmed that both parties were inside the monastery.

    A spokesman said the media should not have been told about the meeting. He said Clonard was a place of sanctuary and a misunderstanding had taken place.

    If ‘a spokesman’ isn’t SF, I’m eager to be corrected – as the BelTel piece is unclear at best and misleading at worst.

    If my original contrib seemed snide, my apologies. But it did strike me as odd, and considering that SF has the best-financed, most professional media relations operation on this island (a business I spent a decade in), that they would cancel a meeting in such a kak-handed fashion.

    If, Oilbhear, you can clarify that, I’d be not only willing to be corrected. I’d be grateful. Verifyable facts are a precious commodity on this island.

    Finally, if my contributions to this site are as noxious as you claim, email me (link on my own site) and tell me why. If there’s a reasonable, legitimate point, I’d like to think I’m intellectually honest enough to consider it.

    I trust you are as well.

  • DerryTerry

    Todays Derry News states clearly the meeting was cancelled by Clonard monastry because of the prescence of the media, who had been invited by the McGinleys.

    Its also clear that the McGinleys, and their media advisor/manager, didn’t know that Clonard had a no media rule, which they unknowingly broke.

  • Richard Delevan

    I think DerryTerry has just helped move this forward. Thanks. I got the wrong end of the stick from the story as presented. I was wrong. My apologies.

  • Jimmy Sands

    Could they not have gone somewhere else?

  • Davros

    Surely all that needed to be done was for the media to leave? After all the others, to borrow a phrase,
    hadn’t “gone away, you know” ?

  • kitty

    Davros ” Surely all that needed to be done was for the media to leave? After all the others, to borrow a phrase,
    hadn’t “gone away, you know” ?

    Good thing that media- the way they attend funerals and all and show them around the world.

  • foreign correspondent

    There is far far too much hair-splitting and muckraking and general rubbish talked on these threads about the McCartney murder and now the McGinley case, and not enough condemnation of the killings themselves. Murder is always wrong, no matter who does it, under what circumstances; whether Republican or Loyalist hoods or whoever was involved. Anyone who doesn’t start from that basis isn’t worth listening to, IMO.

  • Oilbhear_Chromaill

    I’m glad of Derry Terry’s worthwhile contribution to this debate and of RD’s acknowledgement.

    Mick – don’t patronise me with this business of pack drill. I was stating my opinion and if it got at the man, when it was meant for the ball, my apologies. But the issue seemed clear cut to me.