Paisley will never talk to Sinn Féin

Breaking news reports that Democratic Unionist Party leader Ian Paisley has vowed never to speak to Sinn Féin under to any circumstances.

Is Ian wary of what Gerry Adams is going to say later in the day?

  • spirit-level

    Time for Ian to follow JPII.
    It would be a tragedy for all sides of the divide if he led his party into the election,

  • Paul P

    Spirit-level

    Grotesque comments!

  • Vespasian

    Is this the same man that a very few weeks ago said he could work with Sinn Fein if the IRA decomissioned? I think he has lost the plot.

    This is definetly NOT the man to lead Unionism, he is narrow tribal bigot, with no interest in the future of Northern Ireland, just his own prejudiced, pious fanatical views.

    A vote for the DUP is a vote for the bigoted past. Unionists should look elsewhere to secure their future. I could suggest Alliance, UUP or Conservative as being more reasonable choices.

  • Billy Pilgrim

    Actually, this just seems like a bad piece of journalism to me. The top line in the story is that Paisley “has vowed never to speak to Sinn Féin under to any circumstances”.

    But this isn’t actually borne out in what he said. He said he “would never share power with … a terrorist organisation”, and that there is “nothing republicans could say that would alter that”.

    Which seems to leave open the possibility that he might be willing to negotiate and share power with SF when they are no longer a “terrorist organisation” – ie when the IRA is stood down, wound up or whatever the nomenclature is.

    He also said there is nothing SF could say to change his mind on that – but that doesn’t mean there is nothing they could DO.

  • beano @ Everything Ulster

    Unfortunately the Alliance not being a unionist party could be a turn off for some voters (rightly or wrongly). Don’t see the Conservatives ever winning anything over here – they have too many policies, nasty things which only gets in the way of flag waving.

  • beano @ Everything Ulster

    Have to agree Billy I did wonder about that at first since the only quote in the article is the 2 words “terrorist organisation”.

  • Two Nations

    yes BP you are quite right.

    Paisley said there is nothing SF can SAY that will make him make share. now if they DID something I am sure the Doc could amble his way into being First Minister.

  • Alan McDonald

    Beano,

    I need to correct you. I just learned from Barney over on the “Ready, get set, and almost go …” thread that Alliance is a unionist party. What’s a confused Yank to make of all this?

  • Jacko

    spirit-level

    Well said. It’s about time Big Ian thought about going to meet his maker.

  • Vespasian

    The 79-year-old said he would NEVER share power with what he called a “terrorist organisation”

    Is this an accurate quote? If so NEVER is very clear and yes Alliance are a ‘unionist’ party.

  • spirit-level

    thanks Jacko
    I’m not sure if Paul P was refering to me when he said grotesque comments or to Paisley’s grotesque comments 😉

  • Indeed

    Spirit-level, Jacko

    Disgraceful comments from disgraceful people. Does your dislike of Paisley reflect your support for SF/IRA. If it does it says more of you, in that you support murderers and criminals, than it does Big Ian, who rightly recognises they have no place in decent society.

    Big Ian will lead his party into the election, he will come out of that election as the leader of the largest party in Northern Ireland and those of us who value democracy will delight in it. Roll on May 5th.

  • spirit-level

    Indeed you a clearly a newbie here.
    If you look back at the posts here you’ll find myself, Jacko, Dessertspoon and United Irelander amongst others are more scathing about our so-calles Republican leaders than most unionists.
    Didn’t expect that didya?
    We recognise that Paisley is well past his sell by date, every modern nation sits down with its enemies to try to work things out, his refusal and threats of it represent the most backward narrow bigoted mentality you can possibly imagine, so that’s why we say its time for him “to ascend with quiring angels round him
    and sing the praise of god in loud hosannas” T.S.Eliot
    Practical not malicious ok 😉

  • Indeed

    ‘Indeed’ i am relatively new here

    Is it not about time that republicans like you realsied however that the majority of unionists back Paisley’s stance, a far cry from being ‘past his sell-by date’. There is nothing bigotted about it. Its actually called a principled stand for what is right.

    Now correct me if i’m wrong but is the epitomie of bigotry not the murder of hundreds of innocent people simply becasue they where Protestant, or indeed Roman Catholic? It is the people of both sides of the divide who vote for the likes SF and the poltical parties of loyalist paramiliatries who i belive to be the bigots in this situation.

  • Jarliath K

    Just put this up elsewhere on site, but think it is appropriate here. If I was Big Ian, I think I’d have that feeling of my bluff being called.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    An address to the IRA

    The following is the text of a speech by Sinn Féin President Gerry Adams in Belfast this afternoon.

    I want to speak directly to the men and women of Oglaigh na hEireann, the volunteer soldiers of the Irish Republican Army.

    In time of great peril you stepped into the Bearna Baoil, the gap of danger. When others stood idly by, you and your families gave your all, in defence of a risen people and in pursuit of Irish freedom and unity.

    Against mighty odds you held the line and faced down a huge military foe, the British crown forces and their surrogates in the unionist death squads.

    Eleven years ago the Army leadership ordered a complete cessation of military operations. This courageous decision was in response to proposals put forward by the Sinn Fein leadership to construct a peace process, build democratic politics and achieve a lasting peace.

    Since then despite many provocations and setbacks the cessation has endured.

    And more than that, when elements within the British and Irish establishments and rejectionist unionism delayed progress, it was the IRA leadership which authorised a number of significant initiatives to enhance the peace process.

    On a number of occasions commitments have been reneged on. These include commitments from the two governments.

    The Irish Republican Army has kept every commitment made by its leadership. The most recent of these was last December when the IRA was prepared to support a comprehensive agreement. At that time the Army leadership said the implementation of this agreement would allow everyone, including the IRA, to take its political objectives forward by peaceful and democratic means.

    That agreement perished on the rock of unionist intransigence. The shortsightedness of the two governments compounded the difficulties.

    Since then there has been a vicious campaign of vilification against republicans, driven in the main by the Irish government. There are a number of reasons for this. The growing political influence of Sinn Fein is a primary factor. The unionists also for their part, want to minimise the potential for change, not only on the equality agenda but on the issues of sovereignty and ending the union.

    The IRA is being used as the excuse by them all not to engage properly in the process of building peace with justice in Ireland.

    For over thirty years the IRA showed that the British government could not rule Ireland on its own terms. You asserted the legitimacy of the right of the people of this island to freedom and independence. Many of your comrades made the ultimate sacrifice. Your determination, selflessness and courage have brought the freedom struggle towards its fulfillment. That struggle can now be taken forward by other means. I say this with the authority of my office as President of Sinn Fein.

    In the past I have defended the right of the IRA to engage in armed struggle. I did so because there was no alternative for those who would not bend the knee, or turn a blind eye to oppression, or for those who wanted a national republic.

    Now there is an alternative.

    I have clearly set out my view of what that alternative is. The way forward is by building political support for republican and democratic objectives across Ireland and by winning support for these goals internationally.

    I want to use this occasion therefore to appeal to the leadership of Oglaigh na hEireann to fully embrace and accept this alternative.

    Can you take courageous initiatives which will achieve your aims by purely political and democratic activity?

    I know full well that such truly historic decisions can only be taken in the aftermath of intense internal consultation. I ask that you initiate this as quickly as possible.

    I understand fully that the IRAs most recent positive contribution to the peace process was in the context of a comprehensive agreement. But I also hold the very strong view that republicans need to lead by example. There is no greater demonstration of this than the IRA cessation in the summer of 1994.

    Sinn Fein has demonstrated the ability to play a leadership role as part of a popular movement towards peace, equality and justice. We are totally commited to ending partition and to creating the conditions for unity and independence. Sinn Fein has the potential and capacity to become the vehicle for the attainment of republican objectives.

    The Ireland we live in today is also very different place from 15 years ago. There is now an all-Ireland agenda with huge potential. ationalists and republicans have a confidence that will never again allow anyone to be treated as second class citizens. Equality is our watchword. The catalyst for much of this change is the growing support for republicanism.

    Of course, those who oppose change are not going to simply roll over. It will always be a battle a day between those who want maximum change and those who want to maintain the status quo. But if republicans are to prevail, if the peace process is to be successfully concluded and Irish sovereignty and re-unification secured, then we have to set the agenda – no one else is going to do that.

    So, I also want to make a personal appeal to all of you – the women and men volunteers who have remained undefeated in the face of tremendous odds.

    Now is the time for you to step into the Bearna Baoil again; not as volunteers risking life and limb but as activists in a national movement towards independence and unity.

    Such decisions will be far reaching and difficult. But you never lacked courage in the past. Your courage is now needed for the future.

    It won’t be easy. There are many problems to be resolved by the people of Ireland in the time ahead. Your ability as republican volunteers, to rise to this challenge will mean that the two governments and others cannot easily hide from their obligations and their responsibility to resolve these problems.

    Our struggle has reached a defining moment.

    I am asking you to join me in seizing this moment, to intensify our efforts, to rebuild the peace process and decisively move our struggle forward.

  • Billy Pilgrim

    Indeed

    “Is it not about time that republicans like you realsied however that the majority of unionists back Paisley’s stance, a far cry from being ‘past his sell-by date’. There is nothing bigotted about it. Its actually called a principled stand for what is right. Now correct me if i’m wrong but is the epitomie of bigotry not the murder of hundreds of innocent people simply becasue they where Protestant, or indeed Roman Catholic? It is the people of both sides of the divide who vote for the likes SF and the poltical parties of loyalist paramiliatries who i belive to be the bigots in this situation.”

    This is very impressive stuff. Independent and self-aware. This is a major contribution. The scales are falling from my eyes.

  • queens_unionist

    Im tending to agree with indeed here.
    THe majority of unionists do support him and the DUP.
    He will emerge triumphant…OUR TIME HAS nearly COME,
    but also as everyhitng ulster said, a bad piece of ‘titling’

  • Two Nations

    As a unionist I have nothing but contempt for Ian Paisley and his party.

    He has never been about princpled stands for unionism. He is only about ambition.

    He refused to accept the GFA only until his party became the biggest unionist party and he therefore could become First Minister. He was never anti-GFA as a principle, he is anti-anything until he can become the top dog. He kept unionism weak and kept playing on the insecurities of the unionist people to further his own ends.

    Now he has signed up to the GFA in all but name and is prepared to work with and talk to Sinn Fein. Why? because he is the top dog.

  • spirit-level

    Indeed you are so wrong, the people of Norn Iron have voted for their leaders to sort out the politics, not wrap themselves up in the Union Jack and bury their heads in the sand.
    The principaled position you speak of is none short of complete snobbery. Its like the master saying to the peasant:
    Oh we can’t talk sit down with you because you smell , or are dirty and haven’t washed your hands.
    Its a responsibility to get you’re hands dirty if you’re gonna be in politics.
    Or make way for someone else.
    Forget the whataboutery
    We want to move forward not back
    all the killings were and are grotesque.
    I want to deal with unionism head on.
    Don’t vote for him
    Ian must go.

  • Indeed

    Spirit level,

    An interesting analogy (sp?) with the peasant…

    You see i dont belive government should include those who are ‘dirty’ with the blood of innocent people and who haven’t ‘washed there hands’ by giving up the weapons, the activity, the training and so on which enables them to go back to that at any time.

    I want a peaceful Northern Ireland. Until these issues are resolved within Republicanism it will be nothing but a false peace. Then we might get somewhere.

    Vote DUP!

  • spirit-level

    Indeed
    I’ll agree to disagree with you
    remember though
    talking never harms anyone.
    We need to talk
    like we are now, but in realpolitik.

  • jonty

    this is another paisley gaffe
    remember when he said sinn fein needs to be disbanded,
    This willnever be spoken off agian and Ian will, as in the assembly elections, be hidden in a cupboard til its all over

  • jonty

    this is another paisley gaffe
    remember when he said sinn fein needs to be disbanded,
    This willnever be spoken off agian and Ian will, as in the assembly elections, be hidden in a cupboard til its all over

  • leo boyle

    “Paisley will never talk to Sinn Féin”

    This is news?

    leo boyle

  • lib2016

    On one reading it might be taken as Paisley’s demand that the British government rather than just some ‘off-the-shelf’ commission should stand over the veracity of IRA decommissioning moves. Would any of the terribly straightforward and open posters from the legal world care to comment?

  • Indeed

    Jonty,

    definitely isn’t a Paisley gaffe, and as for your comment about him being locked up in a cupboard, i think its well known that Paisley’s health wasnt at its best during that election. Show some consideration for paisley’s ill health at that time-i’m sure you didnt make light of the Pope’s illness.
    The DUP leader is in full election mode, and in great form in Fermanagh on the campaign trail on Monday.
    And another emphatic election success will only serve to boost him even more.

  • Needia

    “Paisley will never talk to Sinn Féin”
    In other news, kittens are fluffy, rain dampens coat.
    Of course, it’s not like our dear aul pillar of integrety Paisley’s ever had anything to do with paramilitaries… *coughcough*

  • Jacko

    indeed

    I’m not a republican. I just don’t like warmongers, that’s why I can’t stand paisley and his ilk. Even a cursory glance at the career of this man shows him for what he is and the damage he has caused.

  • jonty

    indeed,, dont be so naive.
    Which other member of the dup leadership says they will NEVER talk to sinn fein.
    What happened to paisleys statement that SF must disband?

    Pailsy will be well hidden from this election. If hes not fit and healthy to run he shouldnt run for his own sake, simple as that. Politics, by its nature, is a dirty game

  • Indeed

    Jonty,

    i didnt say Paisley wasn’t fit for this election-indeed quite the opposite. He’s fit and raring to go.

    As for me being naive, for that to come from a UUP supporter(?) is a bit rich.

  • JC47

    “I will never speak to the SDLP”-Ian Paisley 1977

  • beano @ Everything Ulster

    Another unionist absolutely disgusted by Paisley and his cronies. I’m not so much of a UU supporter as a Unionist with nowhere else to turn, except possibly Alliance (for council anyway).

    Really going off on a tangent here but, as I said above the Alliance are NOT a unionist party, they gave that up around the time of the GFA.

    Constitutional issues.
    Alliance, unlike the nationalist and unionist parties, does not define itself on the border/constitutional issue. Alliance’s underlying values, and policies are in essence independent of the ‘constitutional’ question. If there were to be a united Ireland, Alliance would remain a staunch advocate of exclusively democratic and non-violent methods and the protection of human rights. We would remain totally opposed to all forms of sectarianism, racism and segregation.”

    Keep up.

    Aside from all that, the DUP have to accept that if the IRA ever did “go away” Sinn Fein have to be heard. Personally, they still digust me, but we can’t defeat them by ignoring them. The DUP have been doing that for years and where’s it got them? You can’t win an argument by saying “I’m not listening, la la la la la la la”.

  • Davros

    You can’t win an argument by saying “I’m not listening, la la la la la la la”.

    On the other hand you won’t be conned and led by the nose as it has been claimed David Trimble was beano .

  • beano @ Everything Ulster

    I think it’s only right that DT gave them a chance to do the right thing. They didn’t take it so he pulled back from the institutions. To me unionists still came away with the moral high ground.

    On the other hand, if he’d sat and said “Feck your ceasefire” the blame would have been laid at our feet for “sending the IRA back to war”. Just the sort of PR coup you expect Paisley to hand Adams and Associates.

  • Alan McDonald

    Beano,

    Thanks for getting back to the “is Alliance unionist” question. I take it, not knowing the full dramatis personae of this site, that Barney and Vespasian are nationalists who see every party other than SF and SDLP as not-nationalist-therefore-unionist by elimination.

    Is this a variation on the joke about the Jew who is asked, “Yes, but are you a Catholic-Jew or a Protestant-Jew?”

  • beano @ Everything Ulster

    I believe so Alan, my own personal view is that the mentality seems to be if it’s not SF/SDLP it’s not to be trusted or it’s unionists in disguise.

    To be fair though, the Alliance were originally a pro-union party, if not unionist. Since the GFA, however, they’ve taken the logical approach that since the position will only change through a referendum, why do we declare either way? or something like that anyway – it’s just a pity the sectarian headcount is still so vitally important to so many people.

  • Alan McDonald

    Beano,

    Thanks again. I don’t live there so I don’t have to worry about who to vote for. It would be difficult for me to find any party, other than the Women’s Coalition or Eamon McCann’s party, that I could follow.