WE EXIST wristbands

On the subject of top-quality fans, you have to give credit to the great supporters on the Our Wee Country site. In the face of indifference in some quarters to the fate of the NI team, some enterprising people have commissioned some green and white ‘WE EXIST’ wristbands, which you can purchase to showcase your support of Lawrie’s boys. The artist’s impression looks pretty cool, better than the Nike ones.

Before we get any complaints – I haven’t ordered one myself, so can’t vouch for the seller’s authenticity. Your mileage may vary.

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392 thoughts on “WE EXIST wristbands”

  1. Everybody’s talkin,

    “So let me get this right Beano you think that Neil Lennon was abused and had a death threat against was because he signed for Celtic and the fact that he is Catholic had nothing to do with it? Tell me your not this dillusional please.”

    Perhaps you could explain why Neil was never booed , never abused and never threatened by anyone during his numerous Northern Ireland appearances as a Crewe Alexandra & Leicester City player?

    Perhaps you could also explain why numerous Catholic players and coaching staff on the Northern Ireland team are not abused or threatened in any way?

    Regarding the death threat made on Neil, are you honestly saying that a bigot in a phonebox with 20p represents the majority of Northern Ireland supporters?

    And by the way, I can think of many Glasgow Celtic fans who were outraged at one of their players playing for and captaining the Occupied Six Counties” team.

    Is that bigoted?

    Willie J,

    You talk of the sectarian abuse meted out to the young debutant goalkeeper, Michael Ingram, during the Northern Ireland v Germany match.

    You claim to have attended this match, but yet do not relate that the vast majority of the crowd gave the young man a very warm and enthusiastic reception…particularly the West Stand, where Michael was keeping goal in front of.

    “I was horrified as quite a number of fans shouted sectarian insults at the young man, while others around me laughed.”

    How many is “quite a number” and how would this compare numericaly with those who loudly cheered Michael’s appearance?

    “I personally don’t find the term ‘Fenian Bas***d’ very funny, nor do i find the terms ‘ Taig Scum’ or ‘your mother sleeps with priests’ very funny.”

    Neither do I…I find such sentiments abhorant.

    “This continued throughout the game and was also directed at another player on the team.”

    Which other player?

    Could I respectfully remind you that Michael did not play “throughout the game”…he came on as a 76th minute substitute.

    Can I also repeat Michaels comments to the press after winning his first Northern Ireland cap against Germany:

    “I was the proudest man in Windsor Park tonight”.

  2. No wonder people feel intimidated going to NI games the minute you say that sectarianism happens every single NI fan denies it and hurls insults at you.

  3. everybodystalkin:

    the fact that the mods had to remove abusive material posted by you saves me the problem of having to show what a narrow minded bigotted sectarian little thug you paint ‘yourself’ as.

    thanks for that

    feel the love x
    b13

  4. its bad enough that we in Northern Ireland have to suffer on a daily basis at the hands of the sectarian ROI shirt wearing animals in Ulster.
    But the fact that they can openly go to ROI games where they are not welcome

    chant sectarian abuse, insult jews and chant about the holocaust, chant about the Omagh Bomb, chant about the shankill bomb, chant pro al qaeda and anti american slogans etc etc to name but a few makes me cringe that they are unfortunately from this side of the border. No wonder that people think we are all sectarian in Ulster when these ‘brain surgeons, are what represent this part of the island.

    im disgusted at the FAI’s inability to ban these secatarian narrow minded thugs from the games

    their mask has well and truly slipped

    feel the love b13x

  5. “sectarian ROI shirt wearing animals in Ulster.”

    b13

    You obviously missed the northern ireland shirt wearing scum who marched during the tour of the north & mini 12th in east belfast.

    To call them human would be flattering to them.

    Many of these paramilitary supporting northern ireland supporters were carrying uvf flags in one hand and a blue bag in the other, chanting the usual bile and singing about their glorious death squads.

    The dirt probably returned to their nearest n.i club to continue their hatred.

  6. “sectarian ROI shirt wearing animals in Ulster.”

    b13

    You obviously missed the northern ireland shirt wearing scum who marched during the tour of the north & mini 12th in east belfast.

    To call them human would be flattering to them.

    Many of these paramilitary supporting northern ireland supporters were carrying uvf flags in one hand and a blue bag in the other, chanting the usual bile and singing about their glorious death squads.

    The dirt probably returned to their nearest n.i club to continue their hatred.

  7. “me the problem of having to show what a narrow minded bigotted sectarian little thug you paint ‘yourself’ as.

    thanks for that

    feel the love x
    b13″

    Another contradictory statement in one breath you say it saves you the trouble then you go on to insult me. Stopping ending with “feel the love” Your a hippocite and a double talker. I think the pot calling the kettle black. When was the last time a NI fan was banned for Sectarian abuse? Answer the question and dont tell me there is no Sectarian abuse. What was removed something about Beano that was not Sectarian or insulting. I questioned his intelligence. he probably runs the site.

  8. I could not agree more with b13.

    … raw sewage spewed by “stalkin everybody”, och aye, willy J et al probably the same individual trying to make out that the masses support the same narrow minded point.

  9. “Fenian bastard!” called a young man from the centre of a group of ten or twelve. Subdued laughter, a steward in a fluorescent jacket rolled his eyes and smiled.

    “Behind me, a baseball-capped man in his mid-twenties, delirious with joy now that his favourite song was back in vogue, stood up, cupped his hands around his mouth and bellowed: “Wipe them ashes aff your forehead Lennon, you Fenian f***er ye!” It was a popular insult, resulting in belly laughs and smiles all round. The stewards beamed, the two men with the toddler in front of me appreciated it greatly. It was the queue for a flurry of ash and Ash Wednesday insults. “Away and wash your head, you Fenian c**t.” “Stick your ashes up your hole, you wee f***er ye!”

    Lennon was near the corner flag now, closer to the West Stand than he had been for 45 minutes. “F**k aff back to Lurgan, you wee c**t ye!” “Don’t come out again, you dirty Celtic f***er!” “Jump in the bath and wash them ashes aff your head!” Lennon kept walking and stared straight ahead. The jumper pulled down over his hands against the cold made him look even smaller and more alone.

    Are you Ostrich boys ready, fingers in the ears and…MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

  10. “Fenian bastard!” called a young man from the centre of a group of ten or twelve. Subdued laughter, a steward in a fluorescent jacket rolled his eyes and smiled.

    “Behind me, a baseball-capped man in his mid-twenties, delirious with joy now that his favourite song was back in vogue, stood up, cupped his hands around his mouth and bellowed: “Wipe them ashes aff your forehead Lennon, you Fenian f***er ye!” It was a popular insult, resulting in belly laughs and smiles all round. The stewards beamed, the two men with the toddler in front of me appreciated it greatly. It was the queue for a flurry of ash and Ash Wednesday insults. “Away and wash your head, you Fenian c**t.” “Stick your ashes up your hole, you wee f***er ye!”

    Lennon was near the corner flag now, closer to the West Stand than he had been for 45 minutes. “F**k aff back to Lurgan, you wee c**t ye!” “Don’t come out again, you dirty Celtic f***er!” “Jump in the bath and wash them ashes aff your head!” Lennon kept walking and stared straight ahead. The jumper pulled down over his hands against the cold made him look even smaller and more alone.

    Are you Ostrich boys ready, fingers in the ears and…MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

  11. The muckers and loafers would like to extend a welcome to beano, realist, and b13 to high tea.

  12. I don’t know about “high tea”, but I would be proud to socialize with the intelligent, non-sectarian, individuals you mention…that they are fellow NI fans is a bonus.

  13. Individuals like everybody’ talkin will never appreciate all the efforts being made at Windsor. The majority of the 200 posts here have been from jokers, half-wits and bigots. A few are true football fans and support change. Someone doing even just a small part at Windsor and elsewhere are heros.

  14. Have any fans have been banned by the ifa for the racist abuse directed at some German players.

    I’m just interested, and not getting involved in the other topics being discussed on this thread.

    I believe the stewards are now obliged to note seat numbers etc…

  15. At time of posting this message there have been over 200 posts on this topic. Let me try and give a viewpoint on what many would see as the core issue. It really does not matter an iota to most Catholics whether or not Sectarianism exists at Northern Ireland games. Even if there was NEVER a single sectarian song EVER sung again at Windsor Park the fact remains that (at least) 95% of Catholics in The north choose to support The Republic Of Ireland. This is not a crime or a reason for villification rather it is their democratic right. They feel that The Republic team are more reflective of their Irish nationality than the other team on the island. Why cant Northern Ireland fans just accept that and please LIVE with it. In a way Im glad that sectarianism is on the decline at Windsor Park because it removes the old excuse that use to be offerred as to why Catholics did not attend. There is no sectarianism now but Catholics still dont go!! Maybe the message will finally sink home…

  16. “At time of posting this message there have been over 200 posts on this topic. Let me try and give a viewpoint on what many would see as the core issue. It really does not matter an iota to most Catholics whether or not Sectarianism exists at Northern Ireland games. Even if there was NEVER a single sectarian song EVER sung again at Windsor Park the fact remains that (at least) 95% of Catholics in The north choose to support The Republic Of Ireland. This is not a crime or a reason for villification rather it is their democratic right. They feel that The Republic team are more reflective of their Irish nationality than the other team on the island. Why cant Northern Ireland fans just accept that and please LIVE with it. In a way Im glad that sectarianism is on the decline at Windsor Park because it removes the old excuse that use to be offerred as to why Catholics did not attend. There is no sectarianism now but Catholics still dont go!! Maybe the message will finally sink home… “

    I think most NI fans do accept that already, though obviously wish that it wasn’t the case.

    The problem a lot of the NI fans have is that they are constantly labelled as bigots when the great majority are not. And if there are potential NI fans out there who are put off by the incidents of the past, then these are the ones they are trying to reach out to and convince that things are changing.

    The Football For All campaign doesn’t expect to turn the Falls Road into a NI supporting community, but if it can help change some people’s perceptions and gain a few more followers then it will have achieved a great deal.

  17. Macwsiney

    ‘Why cant Northern Ireland fans just accept that and please LIVE with it. ‘

    eh? I have no problem with anyone supporting the ROI for whatever reasons they want. I think the majority of people who have expressed their opinions on this board recently feel the same. The problem arises when they make up reasons to justify it – if someone just said ‘well i prefer the ROI to be honest’, that’s absolutely fine with me. I don’t expect the FFA to change people’s minds about what team they should support, and that’s not what it has set out to do either.

  18. Reasonable point Ricardo but it is also frustrating for ROI fans like myself to view endless posts on this site from people talking about the occasional Catholic they know who follows N.I. AND also presenting that information in a way that conveys it as some sort of ground-breaking event. The bottom line is that it Sectarianism has been close to eradicated but that catholics still choose not to go. My view is that the whole furore surrounding sectarianism has been a red herring in many respects. The truth is that most catholics support The Republic because they WANT to and not because of any sectarianism (perceived or otherwise) at Windsor Park.

  19. I don’t think that the ‘furore surrounding sectarianism has been a red herring’. The majority of supporters abhorred it, and it needed to stop, and so the work that has been done to combat it has been well worth it and long overdue. I guess the people most likely to be attracted back to the games as a result are former fans of NI who have lapsed in recent years. Perhaps people who had witnessed scenes in the bad old days and felt they cuoldn’t take their kids etc to matches. Hopefully these folks will at least give it a go and come back to see how things have progressed. I wouldn’t expect anyone to change their footballing allegiances from the ROI to NI solely because of the FFA campaign, especially if they’ve been a ROI supporter all their lives.

  20. I don’t expect a swarm of Catholics or nationalists to converge on Windsor Park once the “Now Sectarianism-Free” sign is erected outside, I would just like the day to come when you’re not seen as a bigot for supporting your country.

    Re: the catholics/nationalists supporting NI thing – there’s obviously a wider issue than football involved and while I would imagine the numbers of supporters from that side of the community would increase slightly, I fully realise it won’t even put a dent in the number now supporting RoI but support Football For All anyway. Maybe it won’t make a huge difference to the number of people coming to matches, but it should make the experience better for those of us who do.

    Re: the Germany game and Michael Ingham – I was in the West Stand behind where Michael came on to do nets… I didn’t hear one instance of sectarian abuse towards him (although I was slightly ‘tired and emotional’ at this stage) – but there was a brief rendition of “Cliftonville are minted” as he came on the pitch (referring to the fact Sunderland now owe them x thousand pounds because he made his international debut).

  21. Macswiney – Where did you get 95% of catholics support the ROI? Was there a poll that I missed? Are you telling me that I am one of just 5% of catholics in the entire province/6 county that support and attend NI games?

  22. I think it is only you loafer, and mucker. We haven’t heard from anyone else. There are a total of 2 NI catholic NI fans. Time for you 2 to start a “fanzine” website.
    I don’t think that you can drink from the waterfountain at owc so you will have to start your own. You can e-mail each other, maybe on special days, beano will post. On the 11th night, b13 will give an annual report. Realist will design the logo…perhaps a football with a bowler hat on top?

  23. Loafer I’m not even going to attempt any source of detailed analysis. Even most NI supporters from the Protestant Community would accept that virtually all of the catholic population here would follow the Republic. If you choose to live in some sort of surreal ‘twilight zone’ where you imagine the reality to be different, then I’m not gonna stop you… The fact you are shocked by my’ ‘revelation’ is either very very funny or very surprising… On second thoughts, its just very very funny…!

  24. och aye

    I must have been having a hallucination along with 14,000 other people at the match, because I could have sworn I saw Healy score to put us one nil up against Germany in our last game . . .

    Granted, I wish i’d been hallucinating as they scored 4 in reply, but sure . .

  25. “I agree with Och Aye….Sure it’s only a matter of time before a FIFA sub-committee to discuss a merger.”

    Oh really. Why pray tell is it ‘only a matter of time’? And why, explain to us, would FIFA be so interested in the (non-)issue anyway as to set up a subcommittee?

    Try to remember not everyone shares the same juandiced worldview as you.

    “If things are not straigtened out”

    What ‘things’? And what ‘straightening’ is necessary?

    “I give them 7 years tops.”

    It must be fun to live in a fantasy world, but if you’re going to converse with those of us in the real world try to back up ludicrous notions like this.

  26. “I agree with Och Aye….Sure it’s only a matter of time before a FIFA sub-committee to discuss a merger.”

    Oh really. Why pray tell is it ‘only a matter of time’? And why, explain to us, would FIFA be so interested in the (non-)issue anyway as to set up a subcommittee?

    Try to remember not everyone shares the same juandiced worldview as you.

    “If things are not straigtened out”

    What ‘things’? And what ‘straightening’ is necessary?

    “I give them 7 years tops.”

    It must be fun to live in a fantasy world, but if you’re going to converse with those of us in the real world try to back up ludicrous notions like this.

  27. .Sure it’s only a matter of time before a FIFA sub-committee to discuss a merger.

    Showing your ignorance again i’m afraid. FIFA won’t allow teams to cross political boundaries. Ach well . . .

  28. “They would warm the pine on ROI….”

    Who cares?! It’s just a lovely fantasy in your head.

  29. Its true. There have been suggestions that FIFA take up the issue…especially after Lennon. My friends uncle lives in France and knows some of the highers up. A merger will be put on the table.

  30. The comments by OCH AYE, or should I say CRISPERS, disgust me. Just revolting gutter talk. There will never be a merger, it can never be discussed, its impossible. OCH AYE you are nothin but a dreamer. Either contribute to the forum with some (even remotely) worthwhile debate or just leave son. Complete cave man mentality you have. How dare you disgrace the NI identity with merger talk and comparisons to a security force. Catch yourself on and stop trying to stir up something where there is nothing.

  31. As an American with irish roots I came over to the 6 counties to visit my family and in some small way help towards re uniting this island. However I have had my eyes well and truly opened by the sectarianism and hatred shown by Republicans towards the protestants.
    I watched the republic play Israel in a pub in the west of the city and could not believe it when the local republic of Ireland fans began to scream about Hitler and making sieg hiel slautes towards the tv every time an Israeli player was on screen. they then chanted ‘6 million jews and it should have been protestants’

    I for one , eventhough I still think the island should be united, believe that the most sectarian fans on this island are unfortunately the republic fans and not the Northern irish fans as we have been led to believe

  32. As an American with irish roots I came over to the 6 counties to visit my family and in some small way help towards re uniting this island. However I have had my eyes well and truly opened by the sectarianism and hatred shown by Republicans towards the protestants.
    I watched the republic play Israel in a pub in the west of the city and could not believe it when the local republic of Ireland fans began to scream about Hitler and making sieg hiel slautes towards the tv every time an Israeli player was on screen. they then chanted ‘6 million jews and it should have been protestants’
    They then after pouring more ‘alchopops’ down their hate filled throats began to shout about crashing into the twin towers and laughing about the deaths of US soldiers in Iraq

    I for one , eventhough I still think the island should be united, believe that the most sectarian fans on this island are unfortunately the republic fans and not the Northern irish fans as we have been led to believe

  33. Crispers –

    If you’re suggesting that somwhow the idea of a merger would be mooted because of “sectarianism” then maybe it’s escaped your attention that UEFA has been praising the IFA’s efforts on Football For All:

    http://www.uefa.com/uefa/news/Kind=8/newsId=304288.html

    And to think that FIFA would consider stepping in to suggest to two national associations, represting two different states across an international boundary, that they merge their international teams, is fanciful sub-jackanory nonsense.

  34. No harm to yous but all this shows is that you’re completely ignorant about football, Northern Ireland and FIFA.

    There CANNOT be an all-Ireland team because this island is not a UN-recognised nation. In 2003 (?) this became a pre-requisite to membership (because the Spaniards wanted to keep Gibraltar out).

    So good luck with your “disband Northern Ireland” campaign. You won’t get far.

    We Exist.

  35. usa, given time I think you’d find there are a lot of things in our wee country (or our wee six counties if you must) that are not as you were led to believe. Football is just the beginning.

  36. Och Aye: I have been looking over many of the 220+ posts here, and I find yours most offensive. The reason is that your are just a pure liar. Comments by hallion are clearly obscene, but yours is a special kind of offensive behavior…simply pumping out lies.

    Och Aye, my take is that your parents put a porn lock on your computer and while trolling you stumbled upon slugger. Here, you decide to just make up stories and live your fantasy.

    USA: Glad your eyes have been opened to some of the realities that some Irish American cohorts have been kept ignorant of. I lived in New York for a number of years and on many occasions was disgusted by the fairytales made up about NI in an effort to collect money for hate. Thankfully that has diminished greatly. I hope more Americans come to NI to see, as b13 well put it, the mask which has fallen.

  37. Just to respond to the 95% of Catholics support the ROI claim. The DCAL report ‘The Fans Perspective’ published in December 2004 found that among those Catholics with an interest in football:

    60% supported the ROI
    11% supported NI
    6% supported England
    21% supported no national team

  38. German and American researchers just announced a few hours ago that they are reconstructing the neanderthal genome. While relying mostly on fossils, they are seeking DNA from a few remaining in NI…hallion 24-7? “Neanderthals died out between 30 and 40,000 years ago, yet a few can still be found in Northern Ireland”, researchers said.

  39. “If Rugby can have United team the why not football? “

    If Northern Ireland can have its own football team, then why not its own rugby team

    or

    If Athletics can have a UK team then why not football? (NB I don’t want this either, just pointing out how utterly simpleminded your argument is)

    As I’ve pointed out above, Ireland had a single team – then the Free State broke away. Dirty partitionists. If they reapply to the IFA we might let them back in, playing in Belfast obviously 😉

  40. “If they reapply to the IFA we might let them back in, playing in Belfast obviously”

    Would they have to learn rule brittania and the sash

  41. Everybody..

    “Association Football and society in pre-partition Ireland” by Neal Garnham, published last year, gives a good account of the history of the IFA and the split by the south

  42. Everybody’stalk’n

    “Association Football and society in pre-partition Ireland” by Neal Garnham, published last year, gives a good account of the history of the IFA and the split by the south

  43. The north haven’t faired too well considering their average attendance has been about 6-8000

  44. I never realized that Norn Iron supporters were such devotees of Descartean meditations.
    Je pense, donc je suis WE EXIST !!!

  45. I never realized that Norn Iron supporters were such devotees of Descartean meditations.
    Je pense, donc je suis WE EXIST !!!

  46. [email protected]

    Stalkin’ – it’s simple. We play in Belfast now why should we move to accommodate the south?

    In answer to your question: no, I wouldn’t go to Dublin (unless it was to watch Northern Ireland).

  47. ‘The north haven’t faired too well considering their average attendance has been about 6-8000’

    ‘The ifa move fixtures to accomodate the Orange Order so why not someone else’

    Now we’re getting into the realms of fantasy boys! But sure, it’s inkeeping with a lot of posts on this thread

    och aye

    ‘When was the last time you won a game? ‘

    Granted, it’s been a wee while, but we’ve some ways to go before we equal the republic’s record of 5 years without a competitive win.

  48. ‘The north haven’t faired too well considering their average attendance has been about 6-8000’

    ‘The ifa move fixtures to accomodate the Orange Order so why not someone else’

    Now we’re getting into the realms of fantasy boys! But sure, it’s inkeeping with a lot of posts on this thread

    och aye

    ‘When was the last time you won a game? ‘

    Granted, it’s been a wee while, but we’ve some ways to go before we equal the republic’s record of 5 years without a competitive win.

  49. ‘The north haven’t faired too well considering their average attendance has been about 6-8000’

    ‘The ifa move fixtures to accomodate the Orange Order so why not someone else’

    Now we’re getting into the realms of fantasy boys! But sure, it’s inkeeping with a lot of posts on this thread

    och aye

    ‘When was the last time you won a game? ‘

    Granted, it’s been a wee while, but we’ve some ways to go before we equal the republic’s record of 5 years without a competitive win 😉

  50. ‘The north haven’t faired too well considering their average attendance has been about 6-8000’

    ‘The ifa move fixtures to accomodate the Orange Order so why not someone else’

    Now we’re getting into the realms of fantasy boys! But sure, it’s inkeeping with a lot of posts on this thread

    och aye

    ‘When was the last time you won a game? ‘

    Granted, it’s been a wee while, but we’ve some ways to go before we equal the republic’s record of 5 years without a competitive win 😉

  51. ‘The north haven’t faired too well considering their average attendance has been about 6-8000’

    ‘The ifa move fixtures to accomodate the Orange Order so why not someone else’

    Now we’re getting into the realms of fantasy boys! But sure, it’s inkeeping with a lot of posts on this thread

    och aye

    ‘When was the last time you won a game? ‘

    Granted, it’s been a wee while, but we’ve some ways to go before we equal the republic’s record of 5 years without a competitive win 😉

  52. ‘The north haven’t faired too well considering their average attendance has been about 6-8000’

    ‘The ifa move fixtures to accomodate the Orange Order so why not someone else’

    Now we’re getting into the realms of fantasy boys! But sure, it’s inkeeping with a lot of posts on this thread

  53. Regarding the high tea at the loafers and muckers…to be attended by beano, b13 and realist.

    Top issues:

    1. How can we continue to deny and cover up the fact that Windsor is home to sectarian behaviour.

    2. Based on realist’s image of NI; how can we take advantage of the upcoming rush on bowler hats and orange vests by the catholic community. Sure to be a fabulous investment opportunity.

    3. Examine mucker’s family collection of royal family collectable keychains and mugs.

  54. Ireland would have to have some drop in attendances to match the crowd at the northern ireland v Chile game in May 1979, 2400 turned up.

    Such loyal support !!

  55. So lads let me get this straight, people are ostriches when they deny bad behaviour by Norn Iron fans, but when you deny bad behaviour by ROI fans you’re not?? It seems a little confusing to me. Some might even say double standards!

  56. Seems like Hallion comes out of the cave and has someone type for him at the same time every night. Amusing material, but wrong.

  57. Windsor Park only holds 14000, for god sake, and they haven’t even managed to reach that total in this campaign.

    Its a minority spectator sport in this country, so why all the fuss.

  58. “Windsor Park only holds 14000, for god sake, and they haven’t even managed to reach that total in this campaign.”

    Interesting that. I was under the impression they sold enough block bookings alone to nearly fill the ground. Have you got figures for this?

  59. “Interesting that. I was under the impression they sold enough block bookings alone to nearly fill the ground. Have you got figures for this?”

    WORLD CUP QUALIFIERS
    04/09/2004, Belfast, Windsor Park
    NORTHERN IRELAND 0-3 POLAND
    ATT : 12400

    13/10/2004, Belfast, Windsor Park,
    NORTHERN IRELAND 3-3 AUSTRIA
    ATT : 11800

    Hype can do that sometimes, over estimating popularity, that is.

  60. sandy The match in question was against Chile in May 1989 not 1979….oh and incidentally it was played at the exact same time as Arsenal where beating Liverpool 2 nil in that once in a lifetime championsip decider at Anfield….you know Fever Pitch….It´s up for grabs now etc. I´m only surprised that 2500 turned up

  61. och aye
    you really are the excrement of society. You seem to think it,s perfectly reasonable to degrade the Jewish race because of the questionable methods of the current Israelie Govt.
    You also use the Palestinian people and their emblems to vilify the Jewish race.
    My grandfather was a polish refugee and to his dying day recounted the horror stories of the Holocaust to me and my family.
    I am Jewish and have never visited the state Of Israel, I have however visited Auschwitz where an estimated one million jews where murdered by Nazis with an irrational and unjust hatred of people whose only difference was that of religion.
    och aye you also have this irrational hatred of anything different to you, just like the nazis.
    Holding the entire Jewish diaspora responsible for the actions of Sharon and the conflict in palestine….would be like blaming every world wide catholic for the murderous atrocities of the IRA…..or every non Jewish person for the Holocaust.
    So please tell me why you and other brain dead racist republican thugs are anti semitic…Perhaps you are one of these nutters who beleive in an international Jewish conspiracy.
    So please before you make any further comments perhaps you can run off and get yourself an education first.

  62. Thanks Toby. I am surprised at this though – mostly because I wanted a ticket to the Poland game but was told they were sold out.

  63. In fact a quick search for northern ireland poland attendance windsor park 2004 on google turns up, among others, PolishSoccer.net which like the other results, claims a 14,000 capacity attendance.

  64. macswiney,

    “Let me try and give a viewpoint on what many would see as the core issue. It really does not matter an iota to most Catholics whether or not Sectarianism exists at Northern Ireland games. Even if there was NEVER a single sectarian song EVER sung again at Windsor Park the fact remains that (at least) 95% of Catholics in The north choose to support The Republic Of Ireland. This is not a crime or a reason for villification rather it is their democratic right. They feel that The Republic team are more reflective of their Irish nationality than the other team on the island.”

    A totally honest and correct assessment. One which I respect.

    “Why cant Northern Ireland fans just accept that and please LIVE with it.”

    We do….What we wont live with is the excuses used as smokescreens to this fact. It is a political decision.

    “Im glad that sectarianism is on the decline at Windsor Park because it removes the old excuse that use to be offerred as to why Catholics did not attend.”

    Absolutely spot on.

    Ricardo,

    “I wouldn’t expect anyone to change their footballing allegiances from the ROI to NI solely because of the FFA campaign, especially if they’ve been a ROI supporter all their lives.”

    Neither would I. Of course, this is not the point of the FFA campaign…our detractors seem unable to grasp that.

    Crispers,

    “My friends uncle lives in France and knows some of the highers up. A merger will be put on the table”

    Your friend’s uncle eh? lol.

    Not before the 2012 Olympics it’ll not.

    Yesterday’s announcement copper fastens the existance of the Northern Ireland team for years to come.

    My mate’s great Auntie told me. lol

  65. Doctor Who: Thanks for your post regarding OCH AYE. The enormous reek and stench from OCH AYE’s posts are evident every time you open this thread.

  66. Realist: Well said. Your post should put this thread to rest. It takes care of most debates here…from merger of teams to why nationalists make political decisions not to see talented catholics play at windsor park…and the reality of sectarian actions at windsor on the decline ( as admitted by and individual from a republican household. It is purely political.
    and as a final note, I am with Doctor Who and Dougies….the foul odour from Och Aye’s posts are overwhelming.

  67. The stamp out sectarianism campaign has some great stickers, balloons and lolipops…but nothing more. UEFA acknowledged they liked the decor and the marketing hype…but who is actually doing the “stamping out” at windsor? Who’s heels are worn down from stamping out sectarianism? What happened to those who bullied Lennon? Were they escorted out by an 85 year old stewart? Where is the list of “fans” who have been escorted out for sectarian acts? Where are the statistics?

  68. “I hold a specialist in History on the Holocoaust from a world renowned University” and here was me, under the impression that you hadn’t even finished high school yet – that’s how much thought you’ve obviously put into your contributions, evidenced by your schoolboy-like personal attacks. Has nobody told you about the “ball not man” philosophy?

    Hallion, do you find the fact that an obvious republican wants these people to be punished for their crimes rather than be re-educated and reintegrated (after renouncing their old habits of course) not hold any irony at all for you?

  69. Beano – Who said I was for punishment at Windsor park? I just want accountability for what is really being done. Is it beyond stickers and posters, are there real results? Can anyone tell me what has been done (statistically, not punishment) regarding sectarian offenses? How many are ejected from the stadium when the words fenian B, taig etc are used? I wonder what “USA in Belfast” would tell you about sporting events in North America…if someone uttered a racial slur about a black or latin man, I can bet they would be sent packing to the exit.
    Don’t assume I am a republican. The sucking up by Loafer, et al deserved a good slagging – it does not translate into being a republican.

  70. Hallion 24/7,

    “Is it beyond stickers and posters, are there real results?”

    Yes.

    “How many are ejected from the stadium when the words fenian B, taig etc are used?”

    A very good question, and one which many Northern Ireland fans are asking of the IFA. The issue is one of effective stewarding.

    Those of us who subscribe to the IFA “Code of Conduct”, are making it very clear to the IFA that we want the code upheld robustly in relation to sectarian language. Otherwise, why have it?

    Work in progress.

    Let me make it clear however, that this work in progress is not to appease republicans, Northern Ireland detractors and those who wish to see the demise of the Northern Ireland team…the work is to ensure that those who come to support Northerrn Ireland can do so in an environment free from such behaviour.

    The vast majority of Northern Ireland fans want nothing to do with sectarian imbiciles, who pose a bigger threat to our future than any republican and/or detractor ever could.

    Whilst the number of incidents of such sectarian language and abuse have markedly declined in recent years, even one incident is one too many.

  71. Hallion

    The glowing report by UEFA indicates what has been done, and what is continuing to be done.

  72. More schoolboy stuff och aye? I refer you back to your post and point out politely that you didn’t actually ask me a question regarding my signature but nevertheless, no I wouldn’t be signing especially if it meant supporting the same football team as an ignorant sectarian little bigot as yourself.

    Hallion – I wouldn’t know how many have been thrown out for sectarian abuse because I’ve only been to Windsor Park once in the past couple of years and didn’t hear any sectarian abuse. Clearly UEFA think it’s been a good job so far though.

  73. Hallion 24/7,

    “Is it beyond stickers and posters, are there real results?”

    Yes.

    “How many are ejected from the stadium when the words fenian B, taig etc are used?”

    A very good question, and one which many Northern Ireland fans are asking of the IFA. The issue is one of effective stewarding.

    Those of us who subscribe to the IFA “Code of Conduct”, are making it very clear to the IFA that we want the code upheld robustly in relation to sectarian language. Otherwise, why have it?

    Work in progress.

    Let me make it clear however, that this work in progress is not to appease republicans, Northern Ireland detractors and those who wish to see the demise of the Northern Ireland team…the work is to ensure that those who come to support Northerrn Ireland can do so in an environment free from such behaviour.

    The vast majority of Northern Ireland fans want nothing to do with sectarian imbiciles, who pose a bigger threat to our future than any republican and/or detractor ever could.

    Whilst the number of incidents of such sectarian language and abuse have markedly declined in recent years, even one incident is one too many.

  74. Realist — I don’t like to admit it, but I have to respect your comments and your perspective. I hope the IFA does start to provide you and others an accountability and actual numbers of what is being done.

    Mucker, loafer — After being moved by realist’s response, I will apologize formally for slagging you. And you too micky, even though you left the thread.

  75. Well done hallion on your retraction. I am still waiting for OCH AYE to take back his lies.

  76. I accept your apology hallion.

    I know I said I would never be back to this friggin thread … but I am strangely addicted.

  77. “In fact a quick search for northern ireland poland attendance windsor park 2004 on google turns up, among others, PolishSoccer.net which like the other results, claims a 14,000 capacity attendance.”
    “Hmmmm toby I spy a spoofer!!”

    “I was at both those games and they were both sold out.”

    To all you ostriches out there, not that youse would stick your heads in the sand and deny anything, but…

    UEFA World Cup 2006 Qualifying

    Gp 6 04-Sep-04 H Poland L 0-3 (0-2) 12,487
    Gp 6 08-Sep-04 A Wales D 2-2 (2-1) J Whitley 11; D Healy 21 63,500
    Gp 6 09-Oct-04 A Azerbaijan D 0-0 (0-0) 6,460
    Gp 6 13-Oct-04 H Austria D 3-3 (1-1) D Healy 35; C Murdock 60; S Elliott 90 11,830
    Gp 6 26-Mar-05 A England L 0-4 (0-0) 62,239
    Gp 6 30-Mar-05 A Poland L 0-1 (0-0) 13,500

    http://stanjames.stats.football365.com/intnl/teams/NIR.html

  78. och aye

    Who are you trying to kid. Perhaps you can enlighten us all on your education, I would be very surprised if your c.v. stretched beyond Primary School where you where noted for your lack of attendance.

  79. “sandy The match in question was against Chile in May 1989 not 1979….oh and incidentally it was played at the exact same time as Arsenal where beating Liverpool 2 nil in that once in a lifetime championsip decider at Anfield….you know Fever Pitch….It´s up for grabs now etc. I´m only surprised that 2500 turned up”

    doctor who

    Who were Liverpool playing the night 3900 turned up for the northern ireland v Norway in 1990 ?

    What championship decider was on tv the night 3500 bothered to turn up for the northern ireland v Uruguay game ?

  80. Did hell just freeze over?
    hallion 24-7 – Apology is accepted.

    There are close to 300 posts, most of which were spurred on by mucker’s memory lane of Espana 82. If you look back, after mucker recounted what the NI squad means to him…all hell broke. Among all of the posts here, there is one that stands out…Earlier TODAY, REALIST put up a brilliant and rational post that should be appreciated by all. There really isn’t much more to say. If even hallion can be quieted, it speaks volumes.
    There is only one thing left at this point. Och Aye (or should we say Philly BoY) needs to think long and hard about the hatred he is churning out. You talk of painting curbs red white and blue, and yet you say you are educated and also appreciate REALIST’s post? If you appreciate realist’s comments, then I suggest you also issue an apology to those you have offended on this thread.

  81. When Mucker, Loafer, Beano, Realist and b13 have your get together, please sell tickets. I would love to come too. Maybe we watch a tape of the ’82 Spanish game. The excitement of that night (I wasn’t there just watched in on TV) has been coming back to me. It must have been bliss to have been in Spain at the time.

    Thanks to all for this thread I have really enjoyed reading it.

  82. Hallion 24-7 === Formal apology accepted – even I had a good laugh at the slagging.

    Realist ==== Your post should put the cap on this thread. Excellent and honest perspective. Who could possibly disagree.

    Bertie ==== Glad you have the same fond memories that I do. Of course you are invited.

  83. For what it’s worth, I’m not exactly enthused at the IFA funding Linfield every time there’s a home game but there ya go.

    You say you support a team both communities can support and play for but only on your terms, ie an all-island team. Aside from the fact that it’s against UEFA rules, which seems to have been largely ignored throughout this thread, the rest of us are trying to create a Northern Ireland team that both communities can support and play for.

    Just as some nationalists will reject any Northern Ireland team out of hand, most Northern Ireland supporters are just as opposed (if not more so) to being swallowed up by an all-island side.

    For the record, the all-island rugby team were supposed to alternate matches between Dublin and Belfast, look what happened there! besides the all island team debate has been done to death, probably even moreso than this thread.

  84. OCH AYE – I see that you are starting to soften up as well. You feel that you have no apology to issue? What about the red, white and blue comment? What about the broad brush you paint the Shankill Road with? Where are the facts to support what you originally said? If you are just promoting a peaceful all-ireland team, then have a wee look over your original post. An educated man should see the bias and bigotry. If you are truly promoting peace then retract your statements and apolgize! I have copied your original post and maybe you can spot the places where you might want to re-think things.

    OCH AYE SAID THIS ON JULY 4 – ‘Gareth-try being African or Asian you wouldnt buy a house near the shankill for fear being pipebombed or burnt out…However many visible minorities live in Anderstown. Maybe seeing the Palestinian flag is offensive to you because of how you have treated the Palestenians.
    Mucker-Are you helping paint the curbs red, wihte and blue?’

    OCH AYE – after reading it again, do you still think you have nothing to apologize for? An apology to the people of the shankill road (who you clearly know nothing about) might be a good place. If you issue an appropriate statement then maybe there is hope after all.

  85. “Im sure you could wear you NI Shirt whatever nook and cranny you want to in Belfast and not be touched….must be nice.”

    Must be… you might be right och aye but I wouldn’t bet on it. I recently bought a Northern Ireland ‘IFA 125th Anniversary’ commemorative shirt and despite the fact that it has a big harp in a celtic cross with shamrocks in the ring for the badge and may have been unrecognisable to most non-NI fans (some people have said it looks more like a Gaelic badge), I still felt obliged to button my jacket over it when I went to Castle Junction to the shop by the taxi depot.

    I realise this is not proof that it would have been unsafe not to do so – but I doubt too many would take the risk. Largely because of the sorts of attitudes displayed on this thread, Northern Ireland shirts are often (mistakenly IMO) viewed in the same light as Rangers or Linfield shirts.

    fixed link formating – mod

  86. OCH AYE you are indeed a sad case. Once again, here is your post.

    ON JULY 4 OCH AYE said “Gareth-try being African or Asian you wouldnt buy a house near the shankill for fear being pipebombed or burnt out…However many visible minorities live in Anderstown. Maybe seeing the Palestinian flag is offensive to you because of how you have treated the Palestenians.
    Mucker-Are you helping paint the curbs red, wihte and blue?”

    How, pray tell us is that promoting community friendship on each side of the divide? Do your bit for peace, and think about these statements.

    ON JULY 6 OCH AYE SAID “Yeah I know you scored against Germany and and two against Wales and so on…When was the last time you won a game? If Ireland had one team who would make it from Northern Ireland? Maik Taylor and Damien Hughes as subs?”

    Is this your idea of promoting a peaceful united ireland football team and united community?

    Just think about what you said. Are you the most confused man in NI (or wherever you are from)? Stop back-pedalling and admit these comments were foul play – if you are for community relations….

  87. I can Och Aye but only because I was only on the edge and if I ran fast enough could make it back to ‘neutral territory’ as it were lol WTF is up with my last post? :\

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