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Paula McCartney has accused the IRA of readmitting one of those ‘expelled’ for his part in that murder. If true, where does this leave the RM claim that they have done all in their power to deliver justice?
McCartneys accuse IRA of readmitting suspect

  • Henry94

    How does she know?

  • ulsterman

    oh for goodness sake move on. She is just wanting cheap publicity.I am sure the IRA are going to come around to her door. As if.

    Stop giving them publicity. Its over, they had their free holiday. Lets move on.

    God Save The Queen.

  • Davros

    How does she know?

    Does that matter Henry ?

    Is the big question not whether the story is true ?

    If it is it shows that all the breast-beating was an act and the tears shed by the big-wigs were false.

    There’s no doubt that many decent republicans were revolted by what happened to Mr McCartney – one of them, if this is true, probably let the family know.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    As anyone who has been involved in any sort of campaign will testify the main problem is keeping the momentum going. It was always going to be a problem in this case.
    The answer is to try and create newsworthy soundbites that will be picked up by the media. The fact of the matter is the Mc Cartneys cannot prove their allegtion of readmittance, but it is enough for the media. Such stories will come to be the main outlet of the campaign.

  • Henry94

    Davros

    Does that matter Henry ?

    Is the big question not whether the story is true ?

    That’s the same question.

  • Davros

    No it’s NOT Henry …. unless you are admitting that one of the IRA men HAS been re-admitted ????

  • Davros

    Hmmm – that Ulsterman is dropping the act adds credence to the possibility that the story IS true…

  • Henry94

    Davros

    How would I know? How would she know? What is the basis for the claim?

    You want to know if it’s true. So do I.

  • Dec

    This statement by Paula McCartney is only the latest in a long line of unfounded allegations against individuals. On UTV last night she identified this man as having ‘instigated’ the events in Magennis’ bar ,again without anything in the way of evidence to back up her claim, but with a media who seem unable to ask the simple question “How do you know this?”, why bother?

  • Davros

    Henry – when you say the questions are the same , then you have been wrong-footed LOL

    IF it’s true how the family know has no relevence to the revelation that the IRA, and by extension those SF big-wigs in the IRA, didn’t mean a word they said over the past few weeks. All those column inches by front men and stooges reassuring and soothing the gullible that the men involved weren’t representative ( ‘look how fast they were shown the door’ – but it was a revolving door !) will have been shown to have been total crap. It’ll make Gerry and co’s gesture at the ard F look even more nauseatingly hypocritical.

  • aquifer

    Provo Propaganda Lexicon

    No 4 Bend with the wind .. and spring back after the gust.

  • Ringo

    Dec –

    Yet again your latest installment of weasel words on this matter are irrelevant to the substantive issue and simply vomit-inducing.

    If you really think there is anything of merit in what you have to say I’m sure the police would be delighted to hear from you, and much as you obviously loath them, I’m sure the McCartney’s would also appreciate anything that would push things along.

    As a matter of interest have you made a statement to the police, solictor etc. regarding the murder?

    If not, why not?

    Davros –

    In fairness to Henry he highlighted this story on another thread earlier this morning and basically asked if it was true.

  • Davros

    Thanks Ringo, on which thread ?.
    Sorry if I have been OTT Henry.

  • Dec

    Ringo

    I’d wondered what had happened to you. Seems I hit a sore spot every time I mention something you were unaware of. It would appear that you’re now implying that I am involved in a murder. Interesting. Or perhaps I, like most people in Nationalist Belfast (which excludes you) have heard different versions of what happened that night. Now if there’s anything I have said on this matter which you know to be untrue please challenge me on these points instead of throwing your southern rattle out of your southern-based pram.

    Anyways, beneath all the bile and insinuation you seem to think that my point was irrelevent. So when allegations, in this case fairly serious ie murder, are made against easily identified individuals without any evidence to back up these allegations, you don’t feel people are entitled to ask on what basis these charges are being made and to do so is irrelevant (much like Brendan Devine I’ve heard)?

    Anyway to (hopefully) ward off another spastic fit from your good self, let me re-iterate how deporable and horrific the murder of Robert McCartney was. I’m still entitled to ask whose version of events has been aired in the National press for the last 6 weeks.

  • Ringo

    Davros –

    on the ‘McCartneys will not stand in elections’ one.

  • Davros

    spastic fit

    As someone with two friends with cerebral palsy I find the use of that expression extremely offensive Dec.

  • Davros

    Thanks Ringo.

  • Dec

    Davros

    If your two friends would be offended by that comment, then I would apologise explaining that it’s a term that used to be employed commonly during my youth to describe someone working themselves into a bit of a lather and certainly wasnot meant to mock disability or the disabled, whatever the terms origins. No offence towards them was intended.

    If however it ywas you getting offended on their behalf then I would ask you refrain from being bloody precious as my old man was disabled and he never seemed that bothered when me and my brothers called each other spastic all those years ago.

  • Davros

    My friends would be offended. Not that that in itself justifies your inability to give a simple apology for using an inappropriate expression.
    Is the use of the term “Nigger” only offensive if there is a black person present to be offended ?
    I think not and it reflects badly on you that I have to write this.

  • Henry94

    Davros

    IF it’s true how the family know has no relevence

    How the family “know” is the only basis for us coming to an opinion of the truth of the claim.

  • Dec

    Davros

    You’ll find the word ‘apologise’ in my post. Also the phrase ‘No offence towards them (your friends)was intended.’
    But you’re correct that i did not feel the need to apologise to you. Perhaps it was something to do with the fact that while you found grave offence in the use of a slang word, you didn’t seem at all bothered that your friend Ringo alleged that I was involved, at least in some degree, in a murder.

  • Davros

    Not so Henry. SF and/or the IRA now need to confirm or deny. The ball is in their court, no pun.

  • Davros

    Quit digging Dec, you already look bad enough.
    You are admitting that it’s ok to use offensive language as long as those who are being abused aren’t present. That sort of thing is despicable.

    I don’t know Ringo, he’s no friend of mine – in the nicest sense.

  • Dec

    sure whatever, you say davros. Somebody wrote ‘taking the mick’ on another thread. You should get yourself over there straight away and get offended on behalf of all your Irish friends.

  • Ringo

    Dec –

    It is a particularly useless or defensive interpretation of my post to make out that I am suggesting you were involved in the murder. Unlike you I am not privy to the ‘facts’ about the murder, and particularly as I don’t know who you are.

    It is because you always seem to have some little nugget of information that I am, as you say, unaware of, that I make the suggestion that you go to the police and tell them what you know. You are always hinting that you know a lot. Now maybe you know so much that you know that the police already know all that you know, but I doubt it.

    So if you sincerely want justice to prevail, (which I have no reason to believe is the case, but that doesn’t matter) then the proper course of action is to pass the information that you clearly have to the people investigating the murder.

    The point is, Dec, that what you, Nationalist Belfast, or anywhere knows or passes for the truth regarding the killing is completely irrelevant. The only thing that matters is what information and evidence within the criminal justice system.

  • mickhall

    I find this sighting of one of the men involved in the murder with a senior, non Short Strand Provo extremely worrying. (The man according to the PIRA admitted his part in the crime when they court-martialled him) Cooler heads had advised the McCartneys on there return home, to let things cool down and allow the fact the PIRA had dismissed the men to seep down to the local community, then perhaps people who may have been witnessesess to the crime would come forward. If any of the guilty men have been seen in a social setting with senior Republicans this will clearly not happen and in truth the responsibility will lay with the PRM. If this senior Republican was acting on an individual basis, the onus is clearly on the PRM Army Council to send out an order that fraternising with those the army holds responsible for this crime and who were dismissed from the ranks will not be tolerated, on pain of dismissal, no matter what rank/position those who do so hold. It might help if they were to add, smearing the McCartney family can only but bring the army into disrepute.

    It appears to me, many within the senior ranks of the PRM are still not taking this case seriously, believing it to be like many which have gone before and thus they will ride the storm out. I feel they are making a real mistake here for when Adams and CO should be dealing with urgent political matters, they are having time and again to return and pick up the pieces of the affair McCartney and not always sucsessfully.

  • Davros

    Dec – what others write on other threads does not excuse your behaviour. Any decent person would have made an unconditional apology. Not you – it was begrudging and it was conditional. Disgusting behaviour.

  • Dec

    “The point is, Dec, that what you, Nationalist Belfast, or anywhere knows or passes for the truth regarding the killing is completely irrelevant. The only thing that matters is what information and evidence within the criminal justice system.”

    That’s pretty much my point, Ringo. However the general publics knowledge of the facts of the case have been informed by a single version of events that so far are unsubstaniated, yet they are reported as fact. Why on earth has not one single newspaper reported that Brendan Devine’s co-accused in the malicious wounding charges he is facing is the brother of one of those expelled from the IRA over the murder of his friend and the attempted murder of himself?

  • Ringo

    Dec –

    I’m not interested in the sideshows or your attempts to balance the unstubstatiated stories in the press with a few of your own. In my opinion your comments on this issue have stood out from everyone else’s on this site right from day one. I find it impossible to interpret your postings as anything other than a sickening thinly veiled insinuation that they had it coming to them.

  • Dec

    Ringo

    I told you before I don’t care what you think of me. All I know is you seem to start getting hysterical (weasel words, come on you can do better than that)when I deviate from the approved path of ‘THE Version’. Your last sentence tells me all I need to know about you, thanks very much.

  • ulsterman

    I think this story has run its course. There is so many lies being told. It was but another sad murder in a long litany of them.

    The McCartneys should start their mourning and stop trying to get publicity at all costs.Lying and naming people will only ensure if people are ever charged their cases will collapse.

  • DerryTerry

    A typical thread based on the If approach to life. If this is true what does it mean? If it is not true what does it mean?

    If it is not true who told the McCartney’s it was? Do they believe everything these people tell them? Is it possible the same peole have told them other untruths?

  • Davros

    The McCartneys have been proved right once – when they claimed members of the IRA killed their brother and that there was SF involvement. That means we have to take their claims seriously and although the same people who pooh-poohed the original claims are trying hard to sweep everything under the carpet the fact is that the McCartneys have more credibility than the IRA. So, the ball is in the IRA and SF Court. They must tell the truth – have any of the killers been allowed back into the IRA ? What is the status of the SF members suspended ?

  • sean32

    The only way we can guage the feelings of the people of nationalist Belfast is for the sisters to stand for election. I hope they rethink their position on this.

  • Henry94

    sean32

    We were being told last week how astute they were in political terms so we can only assume this is an astute decision.

    Davros

    It’s up to anyone who makes a claim to provide evidence to support it. It is a very serious allegation and I would certainly like to see what basis there is for it.

    If the IRA denied it you wouldn’t believe them anyway.

  • Young Irelander

    So the Shinners have been exposed as the liars they are.At the Ard Fheis they called Michael McDowell the “Minister for Injustice” yet Sinn Fein’s “justice” seems to involve condoning the murder of innocent civilians.

    These people are going to reunite Ireland? My arse they are.

  • Davros

    It’s up to anyone who makes a claim to provide evidence to support it.

    Events since the murder show that to be untrue. Since their brother was murdered these women have forced the IRA to admit that some of their men were involved and have forced SF to acknowledge that some of their people were present in the bar WITHOUT the sisters having produced any evidence Henry.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    As the campaign peters out and joins the long list of failed attempts for justice the Mc Cartneys will have to keep making claims of this sort in order to keep the story newsworthy.
    The people who hang on every word in order to badmouth republicans will of course swallow every word without question. They always have and true to form they always will.

  • Young Irelander

    Pat Mc Larnon,

    You swallow everything that comes from the mouth of Adams and co. without question.You always have and you always will.

    In a choice between believing Sinn Fein, who have lied on numerous occasions in the past, or a family (who have supported Sinn Fein all their lives) who want justice for their murdered brother, I will believe the latter.

    Any right-minded person would.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    YI,

    ‘You swallow everything that comes from the mouth of Adams and co. without question.You always have and you always will.’

    Lies , but since you’ve appeared on the site something a lot of us have become accustomed to.

    ‘In a choice between believing Sinn Fein, who have lied on numerous occasions in the past, or a family (who have supported Sinn Fein all their lives) who want justice for their murdered brother, I will believe the latter.’

    Sure of course you would, that is your sole purpose.

  • sean32

    How do you Bloggers see a Mc Cartney family member polling if they were to stand in both council and WM elections.

  • Young Irelander

    Pat McLarnon

    “since you’ve appeared on the site something alot of us have become accustomed to.”

    I wager I’ve been visiting this site longer than you have, Pat. I think alot of people have become accustomed to you defending Sinn Fein no matter what situation they find themselves in.

    “Sure of course you would, that is your sole purpose.”

    Gee thanks, Pat.To have someone say that my “sole purpose” is to see justice done here in Ireland is very nice of you.Cheers.

  • IJP

    Pat

    Perhaps, then, you should show us where you have disagreed with Mr Adams?

    YI has indeed been a regular contributor for a lot longer than you, unless you formerly posted under another name. Out of interest, YI and I have disagreed often, but always in a spirit of mutual respect and education, without resorting to labelling and abuse.

    Some people could learn a bit from that.

  • levitas

    I think that it is widely acknowledged amongst the media and political cognoscenti that the US trip was not as succesful in terms of back home street cred as perhaps the Mc Cartneys had hoped. Oddly enough after the initial furore over the RA statement, with a bit of time its settled into peoples minds that in some strange warped sort of way the RA did try and actually do something, no matter how hamfistedly.

    Another point made privately to me by a female colleague in another newspaper is interesting,a lot of women who initially supported the courageous sisters (and Bridgeen) are increasingly finding themselves, despite themselves mildly irritated by them, they do not come over that well frankly.. they often come across a tad aggressive, moody, and belligerent.There are also a lot of women saying privately, so when they are over stateside in the CNN sponsored limo who’s looking after the kids?

    Unfortunately they seem to be losing momentum , and this may be an attempt to put the pedal to the floor again, my news antennae is suggesting to my cynical old hacks mind that their petrol guage is close to indicating empty.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Yi,

    your purpose as I see it is to crave after every rumour and smear, regard it as fact and take your argument from there, of course that smear must be anti republican to garner your support. Good luck to you on that.

    IJP,

    you are a unionist, no matter what I put in front of you is ignored. If i thought for a second you could be convinced of an alternative to a unionist argument I would. go through the motions I’ve read your previous posts, so i’ll spare myself the effort.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    The site of late has degenerated into sloganising . If you ask awkward questions over the Mc Cartneys then you’re a ‘provo blah, blah, blah.
    Ask questions over the SDLP involvement in the case and you’re a’ provo, blah, blah blah.

    Ask where are these people over Lisa Dorrian and the former cop now charged with drug dealing and racketeeering, then guess what, you’re a provo, blah, blah blah.

  • Young Irelander

    Pat McLarnon

    “your purpose as I see it is to crave after every rumour and smear, regard it as fact and take your argument from there, of course that smear must be anti republican to garner support.”

    I don’t crave “rumours and smears”, I crave the truth.I find that alot of the people who now seem to be berating the McCartneys were the same ones praising them after they attended the Sinn Fein Ard Fheis.It’s disappointing.
    As for me having “anti republican” smears, if you read my blog, United Irelander, in the last few days you would see that I have been serialising a book by former RTE journalist Joe Tierney which highlights disgraceful loyalist/British State collusion.I seem to be the only blog highlighting this hard-hitting book.I have nothing against TRUE republicanism.The kind of republicanism that will no doubt be praised over Easter when the 1916 rebels will be rightfully honoured.
    It is my opinion that modern-day republicans are cheapening what those men fought for.

    As for the degeneration of this site, I have commented on this before.I feel this place has lost its way somewhat.Years ago I could have great debate with guys like IJP, Howard and many others yet lately I’ve noticed a distinct hostility towards those who aren’t republican supporters.A hostility that has driven many away from this site.If we are to truly learn anything from each other then the insults and hostility must stop.

  • ulsterman

    These sort of lies do the McCartney case no good. One minute one says she has a degree in modern history and the IRA are Nazis. The next minute another sister is trying to make publicity by saying the IRA allowed a member back in. So what.

    The IRA was never a respectable group. It always has been full of criminal thugs.One of their number were killed in a Belfast pub brawl and all hell breaks lose. The IRA have carried out much more heinous crimes.Justice here was a farce when the GFA let mass murderers out of prison. It is even more nauseating that mass murderers were released here but the killers of a garda were kept behind bars. Two rules.

    It is inevitable that things move on. The McCartneys have milked the system for two months.Their fifteen minutes in the sun is now over. You cannot keep going over the same stuff before it gets boring.Justice for Robert. Justice for all the victims of IRA thuggery and violence.

    God Save The Queen.

  • Henry94

    Young Irelander

    I’ve noticed a distinct hostility towards those who aren’t republican supporters

    Have you never noticed any hostility towards republican supporters from yourself?

  • SeamusG

    Perhaps the most pertinent point of this whole story is that there is still an IRA for the former member to be readmitted into. When the IRA offered to decommission its weapons at the end of last year, that was a tacit acknowledgement of the fact that it no longer needed to exist. If it still had a military purpose, a raison d’etre based around security of the Catholic community or advancement of Republicanism, then no offer would ever have been made.
    Armed Republicanism ran its course years ago. I’d ask any of my fellow Republicans who disagree with this to please explain to me what the IRA is “for”.

  • IJP

    Pat

    The site of late has degenerated into sloganising . If you ask awkward questions over the Mc Cartneys then you’re a ‘provo blah, blah, blah.

    What on earth are you talking about? Give an example.

    you are a unionist

    Ah yes, there’s the only example I can find. Now, who wrote that? Who’s guilty of sloganizing and labelling?

    Only you.

    You can’t deal with an alternative argument, so you resort to labels. I’ve never once labelled you or anyone else, yet you seem very keen on it yourself.

    Now:
    1. Show me where I have shown even the slightest shred of Unionist sympathy (as opposed to sympathy for democracy and rule of law);
    2. Show me where you have, even once, disagreed with Mr Adams.

    Henry

    I can’t say I’ve noticed such from YI. I can well understand how blind support for the outrageous actions of SF and its terrorist criminal allies would be extremely frustrating for people who are genuine about a peaceful, stable 32-county Republic as it is for all of us. That’s not the same as ‘hostility’.

    Over time, quite a few people from all sides have resorted to labelling when they can’t make a coherent argument. I would be hostile to all of them because they limit this forum’s potential as a place for open and respectful debate based on what people write rather than prejudice about who they are.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    IJP,

    Alliance is a unionist party (a party in favour of the union), haven’t you a clue about the party you have been advocating all this time? Are you that shallow?

  • IJP

    Pat

    Are you that shallow?

    That would be man not ball, but your tackle was so inaccurate you even missed the man!

    To my above questions, I’ll now add:
    3. Perhaps you’d point me to where the Alliance Party states in any of its literature that it is in favour of the union?

  • Davros

    Odd that pat has so much to say but doesn’t address the issue here – are any of these people back in the IRA ? If they are where does that leave the idea of people giving evidence against an IRA member ?
    At least he has the decency to avoid the Manorhamilton thread – although the gang of three may have a committee meeting to decide on their approach.

    Has anybody heard anything about the status of the SF members suspended ?

  • Roger W. Christ XVII

    Pat, Alliance are not unionist. The word “unionist” means way more than just supporting the union in the same way republican or nationalist means a lot more than just supporting reunification.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    IJP,

    Sorry if that was assumed to be man not ball.

    Davros,

    ‘Odd that pat has so much to say but doesn’t address the issue here – are any of these people back in the IRA ?’

    How could I possibly know that? The point is how could Paula Arnold? According to her the basis for her claim is the allegation that one of those expelled by the IRA was seen in the company of another IRA man in a West Belfast pub. That makes him re-admitted to the IRA. Tenuous to say the least.

    ‘At least he has the decency to avoid the Manorhamilton thread.’

    An old story that is at least a few weeks old that I contributed to at the time. Also the reference to Mr Montgomery on the same thread is, unfortunately for the family, a non political story.

  • IJP

    Pat

    To be fair, I wouldn’t expect you to know the answer to Davros‘ question unless you were operating from SF HQ, which would be a very unfair assumption.

    However, you clearly accused me of ignorance (and shallowness) without any back-up and without explaining why you did so. It’s simple: I don’t assume who you are, I don’t label you, I don’t arrogantly tell you who you are, so kindly refrain from doing the reverse.

    If you think my views are in line with a Unionist Party, say so, and I’ll soon explain how they differ fundamentally.

    I have asked three questions, why not answer them, and then we can get on with a civilized debate?

  • Henry94

    I don’t know any nationalist who doesn’t regard the Alliance as a unionist party. And if a party feels that a section of the electorate has a wrong perception of it then it is the party has a problem and not the voters.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    IJP,

    ‘1. Show me where I have shown even the slightest shred of Unionist sympathy (as opposed to sympathy for democracy and rule of law);’

    As stated the Alliance Party is a unionist party. Therefore you quite clearly are a unionist.

    2. Show me where you have, even once, disagreed with Mr Adams.

    tell you what, trawl through the archives, when you have done that come back to me and tell me that you have not found any evidence of me disagreeing with Mr Adams.

    3. Perhaps you’d point me to where the Alliance Party states in any of its literature that it is in favour of the union.

    I don’t have any literature to hand Alliance literature is something I dispense of very quickly. The fact remains Alliance are a unionist party. Thus making their supporters and members unionists.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    IJP,

    ‘I don’t assume who you are, I don’t label you, I don’t arrogantly tell you who you are, so kindly refrain from doing the reverse.’

    Oh yes you have. In a debate on policing you pigeon holed me as a SF voter as a means of strenghtening your argument. This despite the fact that I have never stated who I vote for.

    Tumbles from soap boxes can be a bit painful.

  • Davros

    Ian – considering the gang of 3 are always posting “inside information ” milliseconds after any bincident that reflects badly on SF and the IRA I think it’s reasonable to ask for updates ….

    IRA and/or SF man does X, Y or Z ….

    Reported on News

    Virtually instantaneously one of the gang reports that “Victim once sat on a bus beside a UDR man whose second cousin’s girlfriend’s aunt was done for not having a TV license and we all Know what THAT means ….” Milliseconds later one of them posts that the witness’s dog is “notorious in the area for fouling the pavement” which proves that it’s all a securocrat inspired plot ….. etc etc.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Davros,

    what are you on about now?

  • factfinder

    Milliseconds later one of them posts that the witness’s dog is “notorious in the area for fouling the pavement” which proves that it’s all a securocrat inspired plot ….. etc etc

    Is that the same ‘DOG IN THE STREET’that seems to know everything about everything? Should this dog not be brought in for interrigation? sorry I meant questioning.

  • vespasian

    Pat

    Are you denying it?

    Or saying nothing like the people of the Short Strand?

  • Young Irelander

    Henry94

    “Have you ever noticed a distinct hostility towards republcian supporters from yourself?”

    I’m sure I’ve given as much as I’ve gotten I won’t deny that but on my own blog I would never seek to drive away those who do not agree with me.You have been on this site for a long time Henry and you’ll notice those that have come and gone.Well alot of people who have left feel that they have been driven out.

  • IJP

    Pat

    You are an SF voter. That’s not labelling, that’s quite clear. Just like you (correctly) assumed I’m an Alliance voter.

    However, you cannot show a single post that indicates I have Unionist sympathies, a single line of Alliance literature that indicates it is pro-Union, or a single post which indicates you have ever disagreed with Mr Adams.

    What I don’t do is say ‘You’re a Republican you’re beyond persuasion’.

    And what I certainly don’t do is make up facts totally at random:

    As stated the Alliance Party is a unionist party. Therefore you quite clearly are a unionist.

    Who stated that?

    tell you what, trawl through the archives, when you have done that come back to me and tell me that you have not found any evidence of me disagreeing with Mr Adams.

    You should be fully aware that such a trawl reveals no disagreement. Can you point to one?

    I don’t have any literature to hand Alliance literature is something I dispense of very quickly.

    Do you think it is clever to label parties without reading their literature? Do you think your own blind ignorance supports your argument.

    You cannot provide a single shred of evidence to support your claim. That makes you look rather foolish.

    The fact remains Alliance are a unionist party.

    Tell me, how can this be a fact if there is not a single shred of evidence to support it?

    You support SF which supported the Agreement which is a partitionist document.

    By your own logic, Pat McLarnon is a Unionist.

  • IJP

    That’s a good point, to be fair, Davros.

    Interesting. The evidence mounts?

    Although of course some people are quite happy stating ‘facts’ without evidence…

  • factfinder

    Although of course some people are quite happy stating ‘facts’ without evidence…

    A particular trait of the media

  • Davros

    Smears:

    McCartney family blasts IRA smears

    “Publication Date: 26 March 2005

    The killers of Robert McCartney are trying to blacken his name to divert blame for the murder, the dead man’s family have said.”

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    vespasian

    ‘Pat

    Are you denying it?

    Or saying nothing like the people of the Short Strand?’

    A great contribution to the thread.

    IJP,

    Pat

    ‘You are an SF voter. That’s not labelling,’

    Unless you have looked over my shoulder on election day I can only state, as you put it, you do assume, you do label, you do arrogantly tell me who i am. LoL thanks very much. i think that is a very clear example of blind ignorance. But your attempt at a body swerve after being found out was mildly amusing.

    Davros,

    are you reduced to the role of warm up act, how very pathetic? A gang of three? Surely that invites an equally contemptuous retort, then what happens? The site goes into a downward spiral of smear and counter smear. At the end of which you claim ignorance and innocence.
    Stick to relevant points and arguments or say nothing at all.

  • Henry94

    YI

    Well alot of people who have left feel that they have been driven out.

    Have they confided this to you? You can’t expect to post on a site like this and not take the odd slap. I would be very bored posting on a site where everybody agreed with me but maybe that’s the way some people like it.

    But we are probably at our worst when we are debating about the debate.

  • Davros

    Grumble away to your heart’s content Pat. Amusing that you don’t consider muck-raking about people degenerating into a “downward spiral” as long as it’s people you want discredited. Any word as to whether those SF members suspended by Gerry over the McCartney affair have been reinstated yet ?

  • PS

    Who are these “gang of three” Davros?

  • Davros

    Who are these “gang of three” Davros?

    Paddy, my code of honour prevents me giving names. However I have given a statement to a solicitor.
    Well, not so much a solicitor as a Budgie, but if called upon I’m sure he’ll cooperate. Millet does the trick. He’ll do anything for millet 😉

  • factfinder

    Bribing your budgie with millet is a new low. Will his bribed evidence be reliable or admissable?

  • Davros

    Bribing your budgie with millet is a new low.

    Nothing is lower than Willy’s singing or Gerry and Danny’s writings.

  • factfinder

    I haven’t read Gerry or Danny’s writings but was unfortunate enough to hear willy singing in ad on UTV (before the watershed). My remote hand wasn’t fast enough. I still haven’t recovered.

  • mickhall

    Well, not so much a solicitor as a Budgie, but if called upon I’m sure he’ll cooperate. Millet does the trick. He’ll do anything for millet 😉

    Posted by: Davros

    Davros,

    So you now have a Milletant Budgie, Budgies united will never be defeated, I hope he is not another Joey named after the so called man of iron?

  • factfinder

    Does a co-operative budgie sing like a canary?

  • factfinder

    Is your budgie a Norwich supporter. I heard he was wearing their colours.

  • IJP

    Paddy, my code of honour prevents me giving names.

    LoL!

    ‘Nuff said.

  • vespasian

    Pat

    You really don’t like being asked questions, do you? If you don’t want to say which party you support that is your right, but why make big issue of it, unless you actively don’t want people to know where you are coming from.

    Let us see this one instance where you have critiised SF policy? Apart from the one where you almost did by thinking that the SF meeting would not have approved the joining of the Policing Board proposed in the December agreement.

  • factfinder

    ‘Paddy, my code of honour prevents me giving names’

    Refusing to hand in names. That is obstruction of justice.

  • Davros

    Refusing to hand in names. That is obstruction of justice.

    I have given names factfinder – they are in the hands , erm wings, of my solicitor, erm budgie.:)

    I hope he is not another Joey named after the so called man of iron?

    Is Sammy Wilson a Man ot Iron MickHall? When he arrived he was scruffy ( still is! ), shrieks a lot and was of uncertain gender. The name suggested itself. He’s in his place now – we paired him off with an aggressive female whose name I refuse to divulge.

  • factfinder

    Is that the political wing or the armed…..

  • Davros

    LOL factfinder. I should have “seed” that one coming!

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    vespasian,

    ‘You really don’t like being asked questions, do you? If you don’t want to say which party you support that is your right,’

    i answer most sensible questions, asking me who i vote for doesn’t fall ito that category.

    ‘but why make big issue of it, unless you actively don’t want people to know where you are coming from.’

    IJP brought it up, so it’s a big deal for him aparently.

    ‘Let us see this one instance where you have critiised SF policy?’

    SF policies are rarely if ever discussed on this site. We have a collection of loaded smears and innuendoes that if challenged lead to the ‘you’re a provo’ line.

  • vespasian

    PMcL

    With the number of posts you make why don’t you spend some time bringing some SF policies up, instead of defending the SF line on terrorist activities all the time.

    I might even agree with some!

  • Young Irelander

    Henry94

    “Have they confided this to you?”

    I have heard many people say on various blogs that they feel there is an agenda on this site by a certain few to drive away those who do not have republican views.As someone who has visited this site for a long time I happen to agree.

    “You can’t expect to post on a site like this and not expect the odd slap.”

    I’m not afraid of any slaps.I’ve slapped with the best of ’em!

    “I would be very bored posting on a site where everybody agreed with me but maybe that’s the way some people like it.”

    Well I for one don’t like it.That’s my point.There are people on this site who only want to see one agenda – a republican agenda.There was one thread on this site that infuriated me where Mick made a perfectly acceptable post that questioned Sinn Fein’s motives and he got attacked one by one by Sinn Fein party apparatchiks.It was ridiculous.

    If we’re to get anything worthwhile from a debate we need to be more tolerant of other views.

  • Everything Ulster (formerly Beano)

    I have to admit I do get quite worried sometimes when I see the extremes to which some of the republican-leaning posters will go while still claiming to be moderate/interested in equality. Wouldn’t let it drive me away though.

  • headmelter

    Seems like the McArtney sisters know an awful lot.I agree with several posters that they have alienated many of the members of their own community and have certainly made questionable choices while “seeking justice for Robert”.The british propaganda machine will endeavour to keep this ball rolling until after the election which will innevitably diminish the chances of delivering the “justice” they demand.
    If someone, allegedly expelled or not, has been seen in the company of another “well known republican” does not necessarily mean they have been re-admitted.just seems like another way of stoking the embers to me.
    If it is the case maybe someone has reconsidered a decision previously made prior to guaging the feelings of the community in question.
    Maybe the way to go is a civil case, then the focus would be on facts and not spurious allegations, innuendo and gossip being discussed by “dogs on the street”.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    vespasian,

    ‘With the number of posts you make why don’t you spend some time bringing some SF policies up, instead of defending the SF line on terrorist activities all the time.’

    the point of the site is that a poster writes what they want to, therefore it is not within your remit to say what I should or should not post. If you want to know about SF policies go on their site.
    I don’t defend anyones line re terrorist activites, given that you are either incapable of reading properly or a liar. Either way it is a sad reflection of yourself.

  • IJP

    Well said, YI.

    You cannot have sensible debate with people who state ‘facts’ with no evidence or who ‘label’ falsely with no back-up. That’s the issue, as Henry knows rightly.

    You and I will doubtless be disagreeing on those terms again soon!