IRA have done all in their power to help?

Ogra Shinn Fein have suggested that the sisters ought to be grateful that the IRA has done all in its power to help them find justice. The sisters were not impressed!

  • beano

    “They state that they are at war with the IRA. The IRA did not order or sanction the murder of their brother.”
    No, but had it not been for the IRA’s continued existence and influence over the community it claims to protect, the murder may not have happened in the first place – as the perpetrator would not have had cast iron assurance that he would have minions to help him cover up the crime.

  • Concerned Loyalist

    They ought to be grateful for the murder of their bother/partner/father/son/nephew/cousin?

    Because that’s all the Provo scum have done – they are the lowest of the low, the dregs of society.

  • Concerned Loyalist

    Typo – brother, not bother

  • Circles

    “No, but had it not been for the IRA’s continued existence and influence over the community it claims to protect, the murder may not have happened in the first place “

    Strongly disagree with that.
    The investigation may of course have proceeded much differently (if there was a trusted police force, and witnesses who felt free to submit a statment), but the fact that a man gets savagely murdered in a drunken fight has nothing to do with the existence or inexistence of the IRA. Its extremely unlikely that whoever actually wielded the knife thought ligically over his chances of removing evidence etc. before doing it. In that respect, OSF were right.

    Gratitude? Surely they’re taking the p*ss?

  • beano

    “Its extremely unlikely that whoever actually wielded the knife thought ligically over his chances of removing evidence etc. before doing it. In that respect, OSF were right.”

    I maybe did imply an overly logical thought process. But the fact that he had that sort of “backup” at his disposal will obviously increase his sense of invulnerability over time, developing an attitude within him that it doesn’t matter what he does because he will have the protection of his cohorts.

  • Circles

    Maybe – but theres a world of “hard men” out there who walk around like they’re invulnerable, basically afraid of nothing, with or without any kind of back-up.
    And thats not just in Belfast, but in Dublin, Manchester, Newcastle, Glasgow – any big city.

    And, terrible as it was, its not the first murder thats happened as a result of a bar room disagreement, and I don’t think in the past the murderers were affiliated with an organisation.

  • beano

    Agreed these men are everywhere, but is the situation not made worse in Northern Ireland by the presence of paramilitary groupings?

  • mickhall

    “but the fact that a man gets savagely murdered in a drunken fight”

    part of post by circles

    This drunken brawl description of the incident implies Mr McCartney, along with his attackers was drunk. As far as we are aware he had only just come into the pub and due to the fact he was sober he could see the danger of the developing situation, hence he intervened between Davidson and Devine. As often happens in such situations, a good Samaritan is not appreciated, thus after he had got Devine out of the bar, they were then descended upon by the jackals who murdered him.

  • Circles

    Sorry about the insinuation that all involved were drunk!!

    To Beano:
    “..but is the situation not made worse in Northern Ireland by the presence of paramilitary groupings?”
    This could very well be true, but then thats a reflection of the entire society surely? And to pin it on the IRA alone is a bit of an over-simplification. The background level of violence is very high in the north, and is not necessarily always seen as a bad thing. Do we come from a brutalised society? I reckon thats very possible. But would like to see statistics on domestic violens, child abuse, violent crime etc. before saying anything. Anybody got stuff on this thats recent?

  • levitas

    I cant seem to get an answer to this question,perhaps some readers of this thread can help?

    Has Mr. Brendan Devine come forward with his statement of what occurred or has he not ? This is a genuine query since I would have thought that the McCartney’s would expect him to be able to shed the most light on the events. If he has’nt can anyone explain why? I have never seen any references to him making a statement, but perhaps I’m not very well informed. I was however intrigued by the fact that the sisters referred to Brendan Devine as “irrelevant” on their second appearance on Marion Finucane’s RTE1 show on Monday morning, what did they mean by that comment? Any answers out there? I would have thought Robert McCartney’s companion at the time of the assault would have been a key witness..he was not unconscious in the events leading up to the melee, why are the sisters and his partner not applying such public pressure upon Brendan Devine-Genuinely puzzled…

  • Belfast Gonzo

    Wasn’t there a story the other day that said Devine had recorded a statement?

  • IJP

    This is just another catastrophically sickening statement from an arm of the ‘Republican Movement’.

    The only people who would excuse such outrageous pronouncements are going to vote SF anyway. So I just cannot fathom what they think they’ll gain from them.

  • levitas

    Does the fact that there appears to be much confusion as to whether the key witness Mr Devine has made a statement, and the fact that this is not being commented upon by the press and the family not strike anyone else as odd? Am I alone in thinking that this must absolutely be an essential prerequisite to achieving a conviction.