"We Will Have Justice"

Today’s New York Post carries a forthright article by Paula, Catherine, Gemma, Claire & Donna McCartney and Bridgeen Hagans – “We Will Have Justice”

They are highly critical of Sinn Féin’s public statements of support for their campaign –

Sinn Fein and the IRA say they did order them to go forward. But those who did exercised their right to silence — they were ordered to go forward, but told to say nothing.

We believe this is nothing more than a stalling tactic in hopes that the whole story will peter out. We believe Sinn Fein are saying one thing to the journalists and the governments — telling them what they want to hear — and saying something else to its membership.[emphasis added]

We feel a conspiracy of silence has developed, that some kind of pact was taken that night. We feel there is a lack of will, not ability.

And on their journey so far –

We believe President Bush and the other American politicians share our goal, that they want to see a result and believe that a resolution to Robert’s murder will not only bring justice to our family, but also justice to Ireland.

In the meantime, our campaign for justice goes on. It started in the streets and has gone all the way to the White House. Now it has to go back to the streets again. There is no way on God’s earth that we will forget this.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    ‘There is no way in the wide world that the strongest guerrilla machine in the world cannot make 15 or 20 people step forward and talk.’

    I interpret that as meaning that the IRA should physically force people to give evidence.

  • Henry94

    Pat

    Indeed and that ain’t justice. Justice means amoung other things the right to silence, the right to a fair trial and the presumption of innocence.

    What the McCartneys want, and who can blame them, are convictions but nobody can promise them that.

    And it’s right that they can’t.

  • mickhall

    This attempt to put down the McCartneys and Ms Hagans is despicable, at the beginning of last week we were all sent on a fools errand looking for whoever funded there trip to the States, I admit I ran with that one for a while, but it turns out it was financed by a family whip round and several journalists have pointed out they were short of cash whilst in the US. For me as far as this issue is concerned it is now a case of forewarned is forearmed and I will not take at face value a dam thing that comes from a certain quarter, what will it be next the girls dont change their undies regular.

    Those who are trying to make this an issue about the family are contemptible and are doing no favours to the PRM. I am finding it difficult to take in how incompetent SF have been on this issue. They are still at it blaming the family for fighting for their loved one. Yet they are doing nothing different from Pat Finucane family, SF did not question their motives nor ask who funded them, so why are they demanding a different standard from the McCartney’s. The answer is in the question of course, it also encompasses why SF are tying themselves into knots.

    All republicans should be crying out for justice for both Robert McCartney and Pat Finucane. This is not about there being a different hierarchy of victims, but the fact that both Pat and Robert have a committed and articulate families, who have demanded that there murdered family member gets justice no matter who was involved in there death. If they get justice surly it will make it much easier for those families who have lost loved ones, but have found it difficult to gain publicity and justice.

  • ShayPaul

    mickhall

    Who is saying anything different ?

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    mickhall,

    nice speech, doesn’t affect my interpretation of their comments.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    mickhall,

    given your republican viewpoint can you tell me how justice will be satisfied in this case.

  • spartacus

    The McCartney family lost my sympathy when they went to Bush for justice–to the ‘top’ as they put it. That is a horrible insult to the tens of thousands of victims of Bush and his administration throughout the world. Absolutely disgusting. They write in the NY Post that Bush ‘shares’ their desire for justice in Ireland. Not f*ing likely. They have gone to the very bottom, the bottom of the heap, and made a war criminal and a mass murderer the arbiter of justice in Ireland.

    To the degree that it has held its tongue about American imperialism in search of small favors in recent years, the RM has sold its legacy for crumbs, but the McCartneys have done the same. One of them is supposed to be a lecturer in history and politics. Does she have a clue? I would say exactly the same thing if these were five or six men. I support justice for McCartney, but have they never asked themselves why there is such a long liust of victims of state violence who will NEVER be invited to dinner? Do they read the papers? Have they heard of Abu Ghraib? Fallujah? Guantanamo?

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    spartacus,

    the Mc Cartneys are using every available outlet to highlight their case, for that they cannot be faulted. The price of the ticket for the White House invite was Bush appearing all sincere and pretending he gave a toss.
    They used him and he used them, although some would have you believe that Bush and the media have nothing but pure intentions.

  • Davros

    The McCartney family lost my sympathy when they went to Bush for justice–to the ‘top’ as they put it. That is a horrible insult to the tens of thousands of victims of Bush and his administration throughout the world. Absolutely disgusting. They write in the NY Post that Bush ‘shares’ their desire for justice in Ireland. Not f*ing likely. They have gone to the very bottom, the bottom of the heap, and made a war criminal and a mass murderer the arbiter of justice in Ireland.

    What’s the difference between going to Bush for Justice and going to SF big-wigs who have blood on their hands ?

  • spartacus

    Pat:

    ‘using every available outlet, etc.’

    I don’t buy it. The Bush administration is the incarnation of injustice in the world we live in. The messy afternoon’s work in Magennis’ looks like a (sunny) day in the park when set against the systematic and planned violation of human rights in which the Bush administration has indulged in recent years.

    Davros:

    What’s the difference? Where do you want to begin? I know that you’re fond of tossing out ahistorical and disproportionate analogies in order to blur unconvenient realities, but surely even one so committed to fantasy as yourself will understand the difference between a state whose military budget exceeeds that of the next fifteen countries combined with the paltry resources of a political party that does not even hold state power.

  • IJP

    I interpret that as meaning that the IRA should physically force people to give evidence.

    As you well know, it’s the other way around as is clear from the context: it means that the IRA should not use intimidation to stop them giving evidence.

    I don’t know whether that is happening, but out of the McCartneys and SF I know which most people will believe.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    ‘As you well know, it’s the other way around as is clear from the context:’

    I don’t well know and it is not clear from the context. That is why I clearly stated, ‘I interpret.’

  • mickhall

    Mick

    given your republican viewpoint can you tell me how justice will be satisfied in this case.

    Posted by: Pat Mc Larnon

    Pat,

    Putting aside our soap boxes for a minute and dreams of a thirty two county democratic socialist republic, in the current context, I doubt they can or ever will get justice, for it to happen there would need to be political movement, pure and simple. As always with the North, it boils down to who will have the courage to move first.

    Spartacus
    I agree with you when you write, “the Bush administration is the incarnation of injustice in the world we live in.” Like yourself I would not set foot in that den of iniquity known as the Bush White House, but I am not a politician (Mr Adams) nor has my brother or partner been murdered. When people are thrown into the sort of tragic situation the McCartneys found themselves in, they do not think like political activists, making considered decisions but act almost in desperation, clinging to anything which will keep their agenda in the media spotlight. One of the mistakes they often make is to equate publicity with power, so if the opportunity arises for them to meet someone with real power, which will in itself generate massive publicity, they jump at the chance and who can blame them.

    My heart goes out to the McCartneys because their task is enormous, especially at this time. If they lived almost anywhere else in the western world, I have no doubt there would not have been a need to campaign for justice. It is their cross that they live in what is still a muddle house, mockney society. What this campaign has starkly highlighted is the absolute need for the north’s politicians and the two governments to get their arses back around the negotiating table and those who are grandstanding with calls for SF to be put in the Sin Bin, should remember they will be placing the whole community of NI in the bin alongside them. For without SF, there can be no end game deal and without such a deal, in all probability there will be many more cases like this one.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    mickhall,

    fair play.

  • Tomasmaguire

    Just a thought … Isnt it frustrating + ironic that the very skills perfected to protect our own liberty we as active republicans learned down through the years, (Namely the anti-interogation techniques, the forensic’s mine field, the loop holes in the legal system, the clean up and the KTYR attitude) are now so efficiently brought to bear by our own comrades to protect their own liberty. In so doing they have terribly damaged modern day Republicanism and the whole Sinn Fein project. Damned by our own efficiency + professionalism … how ironic !!!

  • Pat Curley

    “I interpret that as meaning that the IRA should physically force people to give evidence.”

    They could be just referring to other IRA members, in which case my sympathy for the witnesses is a little lacking. Or of course they could mean that the IRA could intimidate the intimidaters to give the signal to the general public that it’s safe to come forward.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Pat Curley,

    what seems lost is the fact the Mc Cartneys call the IRA the strongest guerilla machine in the world. They then state ,’ MAKE 15 or 20 people step forward and talk.’

    The use of the word make indicates actual physical intervention.

  • Atlantic

    “This attempt to put down the McCartneys and Ms Hagans is despicable, at the beginning of last week we were all sent on a fools errand looking for whoever funded there trip to the States, I admit I ran with that one for a while, but it turns out it was financed by a family whip round and several journalists have pointed out they were short of cash whilst in the US” – Mickhall

    Was this issue not cleared up yesterday wherby Liz McManus who is a Southern Labour TD admitted that she organised a donation of 10,000 ( €/STG -not sure which ) from an “anonymous” backer who wanted to see the issue highlighted in the US ?