Free Ps to save '9 Songs'…

FREE Presbyterians are promising to picket the Queen’s Film Theatre when ‘9 Songs’ – the first film featuring explicit sex scenes to receive a certificate in the Republic of Ireland and the first sexually explicit British film to be awarded a British mainstream certificate – opens in May here. It’s getting absolutely awful reviews, so perhaps this helpful free advertising by the Free Ps will help pull in an audience.

  • Henry94

    Down with that sort of thing!

  • Young Irelander

    Careful now.

  • Roger W. Christ XVII

    I shall be making a point of seeing it, and I’ll write to the Free Ps to tell them I’d never heard of it before they drew attention to it.

    Fair play to the QFT.

  • StrayToaster

    I only saw it for the music. (Note to all FreeP people: There was no linedancing in it.)

  • beano

    I saw that too, made a point of reading it first. Absolutely disgusting… the whinging reverend I mean!

    It beggars belief that with stories like this the DUP can still get more votes than anyone else in this country. If the UUP want to win some votes back, highlighting the idiots like this could be a good place to start!!

  • Christopher Stalford

    beano

    DUP doesn’t equals Free Presbyterian.

  • smcgiff

    Running time – 69 mins

    Snigger, Sneh, Heee Heee, Sneh, Snigger.

  • Oilbhéar Chromaill

    Christopher is a wee bit hurt by the assertion that the DUP is linked in some way to the Free P Church. Given that the leader of his party and the founder of the Free P Church, the one and only Pope Ian, has made it his life’s work to mix religion and politics with disastrous and murderous consequences (in the influence he had on some of his followers), you would think that he’d be a bit more thick skinned. I as a nationalist don’t want Ballymena rule any more than he would like to live under a Roman yoke.

  • beano

    “DUP doesn’t equals Free Presbyterian.”

    Maybe not but there’s a strong correlation! The leader of one leads the other. It’s like saying the monarchy has nothing to do with the Church of England!

    It’d be interesting to see the proportion of Free P ministers involved with the DUP, I’d say it’s quite a few.

  • Christopher Stalford

    “I’d say quite a few”

    Yes, I’m sure you would say that.

  • slackjaw

    From Rev McIlveen:

    ”My argument is quite simple – we can do without pornography and live our lives without being subjected to explicit sexual scenes, like this film.”

    Does the Rev McIlveen allow his flock to actively participate in explicit sexual scenes? Or should they turn the lights off?

  • fair_deal

    “Does the Rev McIlveen allow his flock to actively participate in explicit sexual scenes? Or should they turn the lights off?”

    Yes he does. One thing that is often overlooked about most evangelical protestantism is that sexual activity is positively encouraged within marriage as it is viewed as a gift from God to be enjoyed.

    I still remember the minister’s sermon at an uncle’s wedding, it lasted for 30 minutes and could be summed up in the phrase “You’re married, get shagging” – the most amusing part of a very dull day.

  • Billy Pilgrim

    “I’d say quite a few”

    “Yes, I’m sure you would say that.”

    You’re fencing, Chris. If you can’t reject the existence of unionism’s Jesuit wing, why not just acknowledge it?

    Fair Deal.

    Great post, very enlightening. It reminded me of the back-to-back scenes in Monty Python’s Meaning of Life: you know the one where the Catholic family (father, mother and about 178 children) sing `Every sperm is sacred’. Then we see a Protestant couple looking out, aghast, from behind twitching curtains.

    The Proestant father complains about bloody Catholics having a baby every time they have sex. His wife responds: “So do we: we have two children and we have had sex twice.”

    Brilliant.

  • slackjaw

    fair_deal

    Thank you for that. A further question for you, or anyone else who might be inclined to answer:

    ”sexual activity is positively encouraged within marriage as it is viewed as a gift from God to be enjoyed.”

    This being the case, what is the Rev McIlveen’s main objection to the film? Is it because it depicts and dramatizes sexual activity outside of marriage, or would he get similarly hot and bothered about a film that depicts and dramatizes sexual activity within marriage?

    Or is it the fact that the actors actually did have sex and they weren’t married?

    And if it is the depiction of sexual encounters that is the source of his concern, would he have similar concerns about the narration of sexual encounters?

  • fair_deal

    One of the implications of within marriage is that it is to be private. It is something to be cherished and enjoyed solely between the two people in the marriage. It is not for display.

  • slackjaw

    fair_deal

    Thanks.

    Do you know if a cartoon depicting sexual activity be met with disapproval on similar grounds?

    I am interested in knowing the precise nature of Rev McIlveen’s objection i.e. is it the photographic/graphic content, or would the Rev McIlveen also protest at a cinema showing of a blacked-out screen with a soundtrack of fevered grunts, squeals of delight and uh-huh oh-yeahs?

  • slackjaw

    Sorry – Do you know if a cartoon depicting sexual activity would be met with disapproval on similar grounds?

  • fair_deal

    As far as I know yes. Many evangelical protestants would also have a moral objection to nudity etc whatever the format.

  • Billy Pilgrim

    Fair deal.

    “Many evangelical protestants would also have a moral objection to nudity etc whatever the format.”

    This is a very interesting discussion. On which parts of the Bible are evangelical Protestant views on sexual morality founded? I find this all most fascinating, I really do. Do you know, off hand FD, about the scriptural basis for evangelical Protestant views on sex?

  • Donnie

    As is the case with most of their objections (from the likes of Jesus Christ Superstar to 9 Songs) if they don’t like it they should simply: not buy the book/not go to the theatre to see the production/not go to the cinema to see the movie/switch over the tv channel and allow the rest of us with broader horizons to make an informed decision!

  • fair_deal

    Billy Pilgrim

    I’m afraid we have reached the limits of my theological knowledge. I picked up this stuff while sharing a house at University with a bunch of people, a couple of whom were religious.

  • slackjaw

    Have to say that like Billy I find this topic fascinating.

    While there’s probably a publicity-seeking element to Rev McIlveen’s moral crusade (If nudity is really the problem, why isn’t he appointing pickets to every other newsagent in the North?), I’d be interested in finding out more about the theological grounds for his objections.

    I fear that all this thinking about naked flesh may take its toll on a man.

  • Donnie

    Bump.

  • Will

    slackjaw.
    Like you I also find this an interesting discussion – when it has been carried out in a sensible manner such as between yourself and fair_deal.

    One thing I would say is that if you are genuinely interested in the theological basis for the objection, contact him and ask. He seems like a fairly approachable fella (never met him, but heard him on talkback and seems quite soft spoken and approachable). If you were clear that you wanted a sensible discussion then I’d imagine he’d be happy to oblige.

  • Donnie

    Rather than everyone saying they find this an interesting discussion why don’t you go ahead and discuss the fecking thing!

  • alex s

    DUP doesn’t equals Free Presbyterian.

    Posted by: Christopher Stalford

    Prove it, buy a ticket

  • Will

    Alex,
    I think Christopher has already proved it. DUP candidate and (AFAIK) he is not Free Presbyterian but just plain old Presbyterian.

  • alex s

    This isn’t the first time the Free Ps have protested in the run up to an election, some years ago the Rev Willie Beattie, founding father of the DUP threatened to hold a gospel service in protest at a circus’s plan to hold a Sunday show.

    The result was that the circus never returned to Lisburn, Jim Molyneaux won the seat, and now we have the Multi-plex operating 7 days a week without a wisper of protest, another battle for Ulster’s soul lost?

  • Alan2

    It has nothing to do with an election. The Free P`s were also part of the protest outside the BBC in Belfast alonside other Christians with regards The Jerry Springer Opera which had something like 10,000 profanities within the space of 90 minutes (there or there abouts anyhow).

    Evangelical Protestantism has no problems with sexual activity. Scriptures clearly state that a man and women once married become one flesh. The objection is in my opinion for several reasons. The Free P`s are fundamental, calvinistic and puritan in nature. Firstly therefore is the teaching that the world at large lives for “self” whereas Gods people, born again, saved Christians live for God and not materialistic goods, wealth or worldly power. Such things are fleeting and can be taken away in an instant just like life. Far better to be prepared for eternity and judgement. Therefore such things as fashion, pop music and indeed tv in general, alcohol, smoking, drugs, pubs, nightclubs, cinema`s and other such things are looked upon with disdain. To live for pleasures of the flesh is to live for self and not Jesus Christ who died on Calvary and shed his blood to wash away our sins if only we ask for forgiveness…..
    I can think of quite a few passages of scripture which condemn adultery, pornography and sexual promiscuity.
    Many evangelical Protestant denominations also teach “seperation from the world”. That once you are born again you are like a child, a new person

    “Come out from among them and be seperate,” says the Lord. “Do not
    touch what is unclean, and I will receive you. I will be a Father to you,
    and you shall be My sons and daughters, ” says the Lord Almighty.
    2 Corinthians 6:17-18

    “Be not unequally yoked with unbelievers.” (2 Corinthians 6:14

    1 John 2:15 Stop loving this evil world and all that it offers you, for when you love the world, you show that you do not have the love of the Father in you. 16 For the world offers only the lust for physical pleasure, the lust for everything we see, and pride in our possessions. These are not from the Father. They are from this evil world. 17 And this world is fading away, along with everything it craves. But if you do the will of God, you will live forever.

  • cg

    I am definatly going to see it now 😉

  • Alan2

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    John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

    And importantly…..it is not by good works that you will be saved……

    Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

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  • beano

    “It has nothing to do with an election. The Free P`s were also part of the protest outside the BBC in Belfast alonside other Christians with regards The Jerry Springer Opera which had something like 10,000 profanities within the space of 90 minutes (there or there abouts anyhow).”

    I’m glad you brought this up. I watched it just to see what all the fuss was about. I ended up of the opinion that it should have been banned, but only because it was completely devoid of any entertainment value.

    Seriously, we’re all adults. If you don’t want to be “subjected to explicit sexual scenes, like this film” then don’t watch the damn thing! Chances are if the Free P’s hadn’t brought it up, nobody else would!

  • Alan2

    I am not sure that was the aim of the protest. I`m sure they didn`t watch it whilst other people did watch it. They still have the right to protest peacefully.

  • Young Irelander

    Think of the children…Won’t somebody please think of the children?!

    Oh wait, they have.Only adults can see it.D’oh!

  • Biffo

    Alan2

    “.there is no need for pilgrimages, for saints and or idols . Only Jesus Christ.”

    Depends on which religion you subscribe to. In the eyes of millions you are an idolator.

  • Alan2

    If you believe Jesus was only a man or a prophet then yes that would indeed be true…..in fact your figure is probably billions as muslims consider Jesus to be a prophet but since they themselves follow mohammed a man, budhists worship statues of a God etc it is a rather moot point.

  • Davros

    Since when do Muslims “follow” Mohammed in the sense that Christains follow Christ ?

  • Salvor

    Re: 9 songs
    Seen it in England – a good film – not pornographic but very explicit – shows the temporary nature and one-sidedness of love

  • beano @ Everything Ulster

    I’ll bare that in mind when I draft my letter to Willy McCrea explaining to him that thanks to the free publicity generated by his protest, I’ll be availing of the opportunity to go and see the film when it opens in QFT.

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  • Wichser

    Isn’t it fair to say that the FPs and DUP are inextricably linked ?

  • bertie

    I am a very sad individual but I am still laughing at a post from fair-deal (I think) that Presbyterians didn’t approve of sex up against a wall incase it lead to dancing. I have told so many people, including Presbyterians.

  • Wichser

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  • Thomas

    DUP may mean be exclusively Free Presbyterian but Free Presbyterian is exclusively DUP and in that respect the DUP includes the cult of the far right Calvinist.

    I am glad that, especially in light of today’s society, where freedom of speech may be curtailed; the freedom of information will flourish at the QFT.

    It should be brought to the attention of the de facto DUP that people are offered the free will to chose to see this film or not. It should also be brought to bear that the interpretation of religion has done most to corrupt society than any film will ever do.

  • Thomas

    “DUP may NOT be
    exclusively Free Presbyterian but Free Presbyterian is exclusively DUP and in
    that respect the DUP includes the cult of the far right Calvinist.”