Will it be a tough time for Adams in USA…?

OVER the next few days, the media spotlight here will likely be focused on events in America. As the McCartney sisters prepare to meet President Bush, Gerry Adams is also packing his bags for the States. With US opinion outraged by the McCartney murder, Adams is probably in for a tough time. It will be interesting to see how a US audience reacts to Adams, as they adjust to seeing Sinn Fein attacked, rather than praised, in their media. Is damage limitation already under way, as Anne McCabe might suggest? Will it be presented as a media battle between the family and the politician? We’ll soon find out.

ADDS: It looks like the circus has just started.

  • New Yorker

    Dear Gonzo,

    The answer is it will be a very rough time for Adams especially if he goes near our mainstream media, and it will be difficult for him to avoid them. Generally Irish Americans see SF/IRA as the wreckers of the peace process, which we very much want to see reach a full and good conclusion. It is clear to us that SF/IRA can not be a part of that process. In addition, we may take a more serious view of robbing banks than some in NI do; to think you would even contemplate having bank robbers in government, makes us think you’ve lost your sanity. The murder of McCartney has received wide coverage over here. It is an exact parallel with a Mafia godfather ordering his goons to commit a grisly murder of an innocent person the godfather has taken a dislike to. Irish Americans will be watching your May 5th elections. We do not understand how, considering the events since the Northern Bank robbery, anyone could vote SF. As we say over here, it is time for NI to clean up its act.

  • Roger W. Christ XVII

    “to think you would even contemplate having bank robbers in government, makes us think you’ve lost your sanity”

    Ken “Kenny Boy” Lay and Enron spring to mind.

  • Emily

    Gonzo,
    Your link attached to “events in America” is dead.

  • George

    New Yorker,
    I would be very surprised if those Irish Americans interested in the Irish question would use the term “SF/IRA”.

    Maybe you can give me some examples of anyone in the Irish-American media using the term.

    Political wing seems to be the accepted phrase in the United States so you using the SF/IRA would lead me to question the objectivity in your previous post.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    ‘The murder of McCartney has received wide coverage over here.’….’it is time for NI to clean up its act.’

    The murders of 8 people at Wisconsin; the murder of a judge and others at Atlanta; the shooting of a child by his brother in Texas, all in the last day or so. An indication of the psychotic American obsesson with guns. To think some people from the country of the mass murderer try to lecture others.
    It makes Michael Jackson seem the epitome of reasonableness.

  • New Yorker

    Dear Roger,

    It was never alledged that anyone in government was in conspiracy with Lay of Enron. Bertie Ahern said Adams and McGuinness knew of the planning of the Northern Bank robbery and were thus in a conspiracy. That is the crucial difference: And that is why I find your comment flippant and silly.

  • Belfast Gonzo

    Thanks Emily. It’s fixed now.

    …and looking at Adams’ schedule on the SF website, I see he’s still scheduled to meet Ted Kennedy, despite this.

  • George

    New Yorker,
    be careful who you quote. Bertie Ahern said just this week that there was a distinction between Sinn Fein and the IRA.

  • George

    Still waiting on those examples New Yorker. As they aren’t forthcoming I take it I can assume you don’t have your finger on the pulse of Irish America.

  • Emily

    Pat,
    The major difference being that the perpetrators of those terrible crimes that you mention were not elected officials or members of a political party that expects it’s fair share to take part in government?

  • New Yorker

    Dear George,

    Read the recent articles on NI in the major US newspapers and tell me how many times Sf and IRA are not mentioned in the same article. As Bertie Ahern famously said, ‘do you take us all for eejets?’ – likewise with Irish Americans: Do you seriously think we believe there are two totally distinct organizations, SF and the IRA?

  • Peter Nolan

    “The murders of 8 people at Wisconsin; the murder of a judge and others at Atlanta; the shooting of a child by his brother in Texas, all in the last day or so. An indication of the psychotic American obsesson with guns. To think some people from the country of the mass murderer try to lecture others.”

    Sure, Pat I agree. They deserve the same treatment namely the electric chair or lethal injection, humane methods of execution applied after thorough judicial process with the overwhelming support of the American public.

    Can you spot the difference with the guys in Belfast?

    I hope you’re evangelising this anti-gun message all over Ireland!

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Emily / Pete

    The problem is that the current US administration supports the gun culture that leads to thousans of deaths each year in that country. The ready availibility of those weapons is quite scandalous.

    There is no need to evangelise anything in Ireland, there is little or no gun crime in our country.

  • Emily

    Pat,
    I don’t want to start a big gun debate here, but I think it’s incorrect to say that they are “readily available.” Every state in the country requires background checks and a waiting period of at least ten days before you can legally purchase a gun. I don’t know what my state’s laws are in this regard, because I’ve never tried to buy a gun before. Illegally purchasing guns is another story, which people could do with or without gun control, and no presidential administration in the history of the country has supported that.

  • Alan McDonald

    Pat,

    RE: “There is no need to evangelise anything in Ireland, there is little or no gun crime in our country.”

    Was Garda McCabe killed with a gun? Was that a crime?

  • vespasian

    Pat Mclarnon

    What were the IRA proposing to shoot the killers of Mr McCartney with – water pistols?

  • New Yorker

    Now, back to the topic. I predict Adams will be roasted by the mainstream media here and he will not be able to capablly cope with it. I do not think he will get away with the BS he spews in Ireland. What do other people think?

    George, you’re very quiet since my post of 6:59. I’m glad you decided to stop insulting the intelligence of Irish Americans by suggesting there are materially two different organizations, SF and IRA. Do get away with such insulting BS in your own country? Well, don’t try it on us.

  • levitas

    New Yorker, I gather President Bush is still going to meet An Taoiseach Bertie Ahern for the usual St Patrick’s day schmalz-fest at the White House.

    Lets hope that George W. is perceptive enough to ask Bertie for more details of the allegations he had made about the leadership of Sinn Fein, ie it being “inconceivable” that the leadership of Sinn Fein could not have known about the Northern Bank robbery.

    I thought some of our American readers would like to know that Bertie’s government is curently asking us over here to believe that it too “knew nothing at all” about another, but much bigger, robbery.

    The robbery by the Irish state of the pensions of tens of thousands of old people in state care in the ROI.

    Berties crew (Fianna Fail) and their predecessors in Fine Gael and the Labour Party are ludicrously claiming that they “knew nothing” about it whilst it went on for 30 years, involving a total of well over $2,000,000,000 being taken illegally from Irish pensioners by the Irish state….this heist makes the Northern Bank job look like chick-feed.

    Furthermore it just goes to show that all sorts of things can go on without political leaders necessarily knowing about it.. (ha ha)

    Incidentally this state pensions scam issue is becoming a much bigger story than any Northern Ireland related stories in the ROI media.

    Furthermore dare I express the undoubtedly heretical view that the courageous McCartney sisters may not be making such a shrewd move for their campaign in going to see “Dubya”…shades of the ill-fated “peace people” movement of the late 1970’s perhaps ?

    We all know what happened to the credibility of their laudable campaign after they became international superstars for a short while, but were widely perceived back home as having been duped and hi-jacked for overtly political purposes…just a thought.

  • Roger W. Christ XVII

    “It was never alledged that anyone in government was in conspiracy with Lay of Enron.”

    No, but it was rather mysterious the way Bush appointed one of Worldcom’s directors to head up his investigation into improving US corporate governance in the wake of it’s collapse.

  • Roger W. Christ XVII

    Regarding gun control, AFAIK it is entirely legal to hold a licensed gun in Ireland. I don’t think there is a ban on handguns either, as there is in the UK. Ireland is a lot more slack than the UK when it comes to gun ownership.

    The obsession of certain Americans with guns has a lot more to do with culture or tradition than it has to do with lax laws governing weapons.

  • Peter Nolan

    “There is no need to evangelise anything in Ireland, there is little or no gun crime in our country.”

    Thankfully, yes, apart from recent examples such as the Provos kidnapping and threatening to kill the families of bank officials or the shooting dead of Garda McCabe in similar circumstances, we are mercifully free of a gun culture.

    However, the beating to death of Robert McCartney seems to show that our same national heroes are just as dangerous with fists, iron bars, broken bottles and knives.

  • Peter Nolan

    “Furthermore dare I express the undoubtedly heretical view that the courageous McCartney sisters may not be making such a shrewd move for their campaign in going to see “Dubya”…shades of the ill-fated “peace people” movement of the late 1970’s perhaps ?

    We all know what happened to the credibility of their laudable campaign after they became international superstars for a short while, but were widely perceived back home as having been duped and hi-jacked for overtly political purposes…just a thought. “

    Yeah, having the ‘ra burn their houses down and put guns to their head kinda put paid to the Peace People grassroots strategy.

    I like that hint of similar violence against the McCartney family in your posting – very “I ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice Chianti” of you.

  • Peter Nolan

    “I don’t think there is a ban on handguns either, as there is in the UK.”

    There is a ban and I think it dates back to the aftermath of the murder of justice minister Kevin O’Higgins in the twenties. Somehow I doubt that any of the Provos weapons are licensed or acquired by diversion from legal channels in Ireland or the UK.

    There was that interesting incident with the pistols being bought in Florida on behalf of the Falls Road Gun Club, so I would also have misgivings about the long-standing laxness of US gun control.

  • New Yorker

    So, can we get back on topic? The imminent roasting of Adams and SF/IRA. Anybody think the bearded one will escape the country with his beard unsinged?

  • Peter Nolan

    The Canadian columnist Mark Steyn, who writes for the Irish Times as well as a string of Conrad Black’s former papers, has picked up on the Arafat = Adams theme, predicting (and indeed advocating) that Sinn Fein will increasingly be seen as being the bad guys in the global war on terror.

    http://www.suntimes.com/output/steyn/cst-edt-steyn131.html

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Emily,

    ‘Illegally purchasing guns is another story,’

    Try having a word with Oliver North on that one.

    Alan Mc Donald

    ‘Was Garda McCabe killed with a gun? Was that a crime?’

    He was killed with a gun and it was a crime. Do you have a relevant point to make?

    vespasian,

    What were the IRA proposing to shoot the killers of Mr McCartney with – water pistols?

    See above.

    Peter Nolan,

    ‘Thankfully, yes, apart from recent examples such as the Provos kidnapping and threatening to kill the families of bank officials or the shooting dead of Garda McCabe in similar circumstances, we are mercifully free of a gun culture.’

    Recognising that as you do then why did you suggest I evangilise the message all over Ireland. Was it just a silly semi political point?
    There is crime in Ireland, including gun crime. Your asssertion that it is only IRA related gun crime is quite patently false. One the island of Ireland gun crime by ODC’s far outstrips anything by the IRA. In paramilitary terms gun crimes by unionist paramilitaries also far outstrips anything by the IRA.

    However, don’t let the facts get in the way of a good rant.

  • Peter Nolan

    Pat, private citizens of any democracy should not have automatic weapons, explosives and unlicensed guns, whether unused or employed in crime or terrorism. Do you agree or disagree?

    Ergo, the IRA – Provisional, Official, Continuity, Real, commercial, unauthorised or whatever must disarm? Yes or no?

    If not, they are, by any reasonable standards, terrorists and criminals, yes or no?

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Peter Nolan,

    I agree, it is particularly reprehensible when the state puts guns in the hands of some private citizens in order to facilitate the killing of their opponents.

    Being relatively new to the site you will not have known that I have called for disarmament (by all groups)on a number of occasions.

  • DerryTerry

    Peter Nolan,

    And so everything is the IRA’s fault and if only they went away this would be a great wee province like it use to be in the old days when the Fenians knoew their place and everyone watched the 12th.

  • fair_deal

    Cheap jibes at America when it takes a particular position on the political affairs of Ulster. A series of stunts that have massively backfired. Media management that may have soothed the core base but managed to alienate everyone else.

    Are Sinn Fein now becoming the old DUP?

  • George

    Fair_Deal,
    I believe you mean the political affairs of Northern Ireland and not Ulster. I thought the days of claiming territory against the population’s consent were over.

  • Ringo

    Same old tired argument every time DT….

    ‘If everything isn’t the rm’s fault then nothing is the rm’s fault, and if other people did bad things then that proves it so.’

    Wonderful stuff. Sure to convince any 4 year old.

    Any chance you could come up with a (short) list of times where republicans were at fault or/might have done differently, or would your brain explode? Or are you going to persist with the ridiculous notion that they are incapable of wrongdoing, unlike everyone else?

  • fair_deal

    George

    I know what I meant.

  • vespasian

    Pat
    ‘There is no need to evangelise anything in Ireland, there is little or no gun crime in our country.’

    13th 8:47

    What were the IRA proposing to shoot the killers of Mr McCartney with – water pistols?

    PMcL 14th 9:05

    He was killed with a gun and it was a crime. Do you have a relevant point to make?

    Can you reconcile these 3 posts for me?

  • fair_deal

    Maybe one of the republican bloggers would kindly email this to Gerry Adams in good ol Americae. I wouldn’t want him going to an important meeting not propoerly prepared.

    Reuters

    “The United States has demanded that the IRA disband after the guerrilla group’s astonishing offer to shoot the killers of a murdered Northern Ireland Catholic man.

    “It’s time for the IRA to go out of business,” U.S. special envoy Mitchell Reiss said Wednesday.

    For the IRA’s political ally Sinn Fein, Northern Ireland’s biggest Irish nationalist party, the U.S. demand was yet another blow to its democratic credentials.

    Reiss told BBC radio: “It’s time for Sinn Fein to be able to say explicitly, without ambiguity, without ambivalence, that criminality will not be tolerated.

    “You can’t sign up for the rule of law a la carte.”

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    vespasian,

    they do not need reconciled. Are you just going to troll or do you have a direct question?

  • DerryTerry

    Ringo,

    Nice try now lets deal with the point. Republicans were one element of the conflict. They were not the only party and they cannot on their own be held responsible for the conflict itself.

    All parties to the conflict, including the British forces, Unionist paramilitaries etc must also accept responsibility for their roles. Seeking to blame Republicans for everything is simply wrong.

  • Richard Delevan

    “Maybe you can give me some examples of anyone in the Irish-American media using the term.
    Political wing seems to be the accepted phrase in the United States so you using the SF/IRA would lead me to question the objectivity in your previous post.
    Posted by: George at March 13, 2005 06:16 PM”
    George – the ‘accepted phrase’ has changed – that’s the point. The Associated Press article filed just last night, for one, uses the term. Try just this smattering here from Google News, that shows the 400-odd newspapers and websites that used the AP piece with “Sinn Fein-IRA” unedited. Also check out Mark Steyn’s piece, noted below.

    It’s a teachable moment for Irish America as well as the American media.

    Oh and Pat McL? Remember when the bould McDowell pronounced Adams, McGuinness, and Ferris as on the IRA Army Council and you couldn’t see what the big deal was? (your comment, 2.03pm, here.

    .

  • Richard Delevan

    …welcome to the big deal, Pat.

  • vespasian

    Pat

    You have made statements that I believe are contradictory, I just want to know how you reconcile them.

    I must say I do not regard asking a straight forward question as being a troll, if you don’t want to answer then don’t bother, however don’t attack me for asking.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Richard D,

    Just a tad of a misquote there Richard, wasn’t aware that I mentioned ‘big deal’. Nonetheless a minor point. My contribution to that thread (in which I received an unmeritted red card) was whether repeating an accusation often enough was tantamount to evidence of guilt. That remains the case. Is there any surprise that the present extreme right wing US administration follows the lead of Mr 3%?

    The main point I think is the fact that senior SF people have been barred from a few photo opportunities. Well that is just terrible. Though one suspects that not being photographed with some of the present US administration at this time is no bad thing.
    As i’m sure you’ll be aware most progress in the process is done far away from the cameras. Given the revealations of years gone by do you really believe there is no contact at official level between governments and SF? We’ve had alleged tough talking at various stages of this process only for the truth to come out a year or so later. Indeed it will be interesting to find out what is actually happening behind the scenes right now.
    Post May 5th there will be only one show in town and I believe SF will have an increased mandate. That very much puts them centre stage, again. So the point remains you deal or you don’t deal then. There is no point waiting around on the electorate to have a change of heart.

    Vespasian,

    Only 2 of the quotes are mine, one I believe is yours. It is therefore impossible for me to reconcile my statements to yours!

    The fact remains there is little gun crime in this country. I referred to the Mc Cabe killing (he was killed with a gun and it was a crime) that was 8 years ago. Given the facts of the last few years, the IRA has killed few if any people. The last case laid at their door was that of Gareth O Connor. Subsequent facts to emerge re that case has weakened the IMC’s assertion considerably.
    There is no doubt that the IRA is in possession of a vast amount of unused weaponry. The failure of the pre Xmas deal ensured those weapons are still out there. Although there is no one (at governmental level) connected with those negotiations who does not believe that those weapons were to be destroyed weeks after the conclusion of a deal.

  • Richard Delevan

    Pat, I had forgotten that was the Thread of Infamy. No windup was intended. And, again, small point, I never used quote marks on ‘big deal’ but readers can decide for themselves whether that was a fair paraphrase of your comment.
    The big deal isn’t that the Bush administration is or is not taking its lead from the duly elected government of the Republic of Ireland and its justice minister.
    In this case what is significant is the media in the US, if you notice in Steyn’s quote and the new “Sinn Fein-IRA” lingo in the American press, are undermining a key objective for SF in US public opinion – maintaining a distinction between SF and the IRA.
    McDowell’s statement was critical in this regard. The US media is now quoting his statement to rubbish the carefully constructed claims over 11 years that they are separate.
    Electorally, I agree that SF will have a reasonably good Westminster.
    But soon, very soon, SF is going to be cut off from the American money (£20 million or whatever figure you’re having yourself) that has helped it build the most professional political PR machine on this island. It will be forced to compete on a level playing pitch for the first time in 11 years. That may make a slight difference in May – unless you believe they have an extra £23.5 million lying around somewhere. Oh wait…

  • George

    Moderate Unionist and New Yorker,

    Taoiseach Bertie Ahern says there is a distinction so I’ll believe him if you don’t mind.

    You know him, the leader of the Irish government, the one that refused to do a deal with SF before Christmans unless the IRA made a pledge to not be involved in criminality.

    At the same time, Tony Blair and the British government were prepared to do a deal with the IRA above the heads of unionism and the Irish people if they could have gotten away with it.

    The DUP of course would have been happy with a photograph. Crime didn’t appear on their radar.

    What a surprise that Blair and the DUP would be more interested in short-term political and electoral gain rather than the interests of all the people of this island.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Richard,

    cutting off American money would be a good thing in my opinion, saves all the cringing and backsklapping as well as having to doff the cap to a shower of charlatans. I don’t mind American support for the Peace Process, but if it means turning a blind eye to their own murder process personally I pass on that one.

    Is the change in the reporting by the American press really that different. When they do show the occasional interest (however fleetingly) it is with all the depth of a teaspoon.
    As stated things will move on, after May 5th it will be surprisingly swift. The same main players will be in the game.

    Also don’t be too surprised to see Ahern quietly strangling Mc Dowell. The by elections have shown the PD’s to be a busted flush. Ahern now realises that if he wants another term it aint gonna be with the 3% gang. If nothing else he is a scurrilous opportunist and realist. Dermot ahern might still be right if things move swiftly up North.

  • Alan McDonald

    “a shower of charlatans” Damn, that’s good!
    “a scurrilous opportunist and realist” Damn, that’s even better.

    BTW, any comments on the Malachi O’Doherty speech?

  • Peter Nolan

    Pat, it’s nice to see you clarify who exactly the movement’s friends are.

    It’s high time the US government as well as Irish-Americans woke up to the fact that, from Sean Russell to FARC, by way of Gaddafi and Hezbollah, that the IRA is an implacable enemy of America and ally to dictators and terrorists worldwide.

  • Peter Nolan

    “I referred to the Mc Cabe killing (he was killed with a gun and it was a crime)”

    I always love seeing the lethal passive voice make an appearance, as if inevitable and impersonal forces were responsible for the killing of a Garda in the course of his duty.

    Didn’t Freud have something to say about the unhealty pathology of seperating out your actions from your self-perception? You’re showing exactly the same lack of responsibility and maturity here.

  • Alan McDonald

    Pat,

    Since I liked your saucy comments about American fair weather supporters and about Bertie Ahern, do you have any like comments for the Archbishop of Armagh?

    Meanwhile Sean Brady, the Archbishop of Armagh and
    the head of the Irish Catholic Church, has condemned a “criminal and fascist” threat to democracy, a reference to the involvement of IRA members in criminality and the
    intimidation of witnesses and called for private armies to disband.

    In a statement to The Sunday Times Brady said: “The political community, in my opinion, generally tries to be at the service of the society to which it belongs.

    However that vision of politics is occasionally challenged by another vision of an individualistic nature which is sometimes prepared to use totalitarian means. This threat to genuine democracy must be identified for what it is: criminal and fascist.

  • Richard Delevan

    Pat,
    “cutting off American money would be a good thing in my opinion, saves all the cringing and backsklapping as well as having to doff the cap to a shower of charlatans.” The kind of refreshing honesty I wish we got more of out of the RM. If we could only get your voice to be heard by my deluded compatriots who think you lot like them.
    Also glad you don’t mind US support for a ‘peace process’ that wouldn’t exist without it.
    Unfortunately you overreach with the PDs. The elections prove nothing about a party that has a dozen paid-up members in Meath. Getting half of Joe Reilly’s number of votes on the first go by an untested 26 yr old girl versus Mr This is My 7th Election in Navan isn’t bad, actually.
    I don’t hold a candle for the PDs or anyone else in this game, but I’m disappointed in the specious, feeble reasoning.

  • vespasian

    Pat

    I was giving a chain of comment 1 of which was mine a 2 yours.

    How you can say gun crime is low defeats me what do the terrorists use for knee cappings, hand shootings, robberies, kidnappings etc. etc. If the current situation is low I would like to see it when it is high!

  • fair_deal

    Interesting quotes from Adams and Haass (from the utv website – sorry can never get hyperlinks to work)

    But as Mr Adams admitted Republicans had “lost possession of the ball”, former US envoy Richard Haass took a stronger line, warning the Sinn Fein leader that he could yet be ostracised like Yasser Arafat.

    “The risk is that over time they will suffer the fate of people such as Yasser Arafat of being ostracised,” he said. “Gerry Adams does not want to become Yasser Arafat, and decide between the olive branch and the gun.”

    Mr Haass said that time was running out, and that the snub from the White House was a clear message that the US had zero tolerance for groups using force for political ends.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    RD,

    the RM speaks for itself and as of late has been speaking quite a lot.

    The half dozen paid up members of the PD’s just wont wash on this occasion. Mc Dowell got millions of pounds of free publicity for the best part of 2 months and the party should have benefitted. It didn’t.

    Vespasian,

    gun crime rates can be low despite violent incidents taking place. Have you any idea how many people have been killed by the IRA in the last 4 years, probaly less than died in one incident at a Wisconsin church. Given that, it is hard to listen lectures from Reiss et al, a real criminal conspiracy.

  • Belfast Gonzo

    Pat

    Is the problem not really one for Irish America, who might pay more attention to their own political leaders – deluded though they can be – than Gerry Adams?

    An SF member once described the party’s supporters in concentric circles. At the centre is the core, who will – as some do in other parties – take the leader’s word as absolute truth. Towards the outer rings will be some of the middle class support and somewhere in between there’s elements of Irish America that are buying into the ‘war on terrorism’.

    Won’t those who have supported SF because they believed they were committed to peace, be dismayed by the stories they are being fed by their ‘compliant media’? From whatever US opinion I can read, they don’t seem to see any real distinction between SF and IRA. When people like Kennedy and King walk away, they will see this as a signal that things are far from good.

    The US will not buy into your own arguments, whether valid or not. They simply won’t accept your accusations of double standards, even if you have a point, and seems likely to listen to take the nod from local politicians and media.

    What might be interesting, if we could pull it together on Slugger, is if any US readers manage to hear Adams in America. If the event is televised, maybe we could link to it, and see if the TV/online viewer and the audience member thinks Adams gets a fair shout – or not.

    If people feel like trawling for US news and current affairs programmes featuring either Adams or the McCartneys (or ideally, both), feel free to post links in the comments (using the HTML below please!), or email them to reclaim98@hotmail.com and I’ll blog the best.

    Fox, CNN, local… and other suggestions welcome.

  • SlugFest

    Everyone:
    Greetings, and thanks so much to all of you for your ever-entertaining and enlightening posts. I’ve never posted a comment up until now, due mainly to my fears of not being as well-informed as (the collective) you. That changed today, though, as I figured, ‘hell, if New Yorker can do it, so can I.’

    That said, let me quickly apologize as best I can for New Yorker’s comments. I promise you he/she does not speak for the rest of us.

    Now let me move on to New Yorker …

    Ahem, New Yorker:
    At the risk of getting kicked off this blog with my very first posting, who the hell do you think you are? I’m a New Yorker, and, according to your [assumed] standards, Irish American as well. And you sure as hell don’t speak for me. What an arrogant prat (whoops! I mean gobshite)you must be to assume you speak for every ‘plastic paddy’ who’ll be donning green in the city on Thursday.

    Look, if you want to look the fool, I assure you you’re doing fine. But don’t make fools out of the rest of us.

    Stand down, New Yorker … you speak only for you … yourself, alone.

  • Belfast Gonzo

    At the risk of getting kicked off this blog with my very first posting

    Beware. We see all.

  • SlugFest

    Belfast Gonzo,

    Apologies … it’s just that New Yorker got me in such a tizzy. Also, I think I may have co-opted someone else’s ‘handle’ (“SlugFest” … folks, does someone else use that? if so, another apology and I’ll try to come up with another one.)

  • Belfast Gonzo

    Hmmm… it does sound familiar. But I did a search and it came back negative. So I guess that’s OK, unless it turns out to be really similar to someone else’s handle.

    Believe me, you don’t want to get confused with some people here.

  • Roger W. Christ XVII

    Now that Sinn Fein appear to be done for in terms of their international support, I am wondering exactly what kind of effect (both in terms of morale as well as in terms of finance) this is going to have on the campaigning teams back home, particularly as we are moving into a general election campaign in the UK.

  • SlugFest

    Belfast Gonzo,
    I was trying to go with a genderless nom de plume, though i think my use of the word ‘tizzy’ kinda gave me away.

    I agree with wanting to avoid confusion with some of the folks here, though i must say that you usually seem like a voice of reason (what about a** kissing? is that allowed, or will that get me kicked off as well?)

  • Peter Nolan

    “Peter Nolan,

    And so everything is the IRA’s fault and if only they went away this would be a great wee province like it use to be in the old days when the Fenians knoew their place and everyone watched the 12th.”

    Tarlach, I somehow don’t see how the Provo’s shooting their way through the Dublin underworld, killing Gardai and robbing banks improves life in here in the Republic of Ireland, but then I don’t get my hard-ons from other people’s violence.

    I’d say Senor Uribe, to use one example among many, would probably agree with respect to his homeland as well.

  • Peter Nolan

    “Peter Nolan,

    And so everything is the IRA’s fault and if only they went away this would be a great wee province like it use to be in the old days when the Fenians knoew their place and everyone watched the 12th.”

    Tarlach, I somehow don’t see how the Provo’s shooting their way through the Dublin underworld, killing Gardai and robbing banks improves life in here in the Republic of Ireland, but then I don’t get my hard-ons from other people’s violence.

    I’d say Senor Uribe, to use one example among many, would probably agree with respect to his homeland as well.

  • Belfast Gonzo

    Peter

    That’s terrible language to use in front of a lady.