Campaign stopping people going to police?

Anne Cadwallader believes that a skewed media focus on the McCartney killing has riled many within the Short Strand community. She states that, contrary to popular belief, some thirty people have posited an account with the PSNI, but that continuing adverse attention from the press may stop people from further co-operation. Thanks to reader Dec for the heads up.

  • aquifer

    “That eyewitness, along with many others, said he was prepared to give evidence to the police, but – on the advice of his solicitor – is waiting until they come looking for him.”

    Another silent witness.

    No evidence, silent witnesses, statements with no substance, no prosecution and no justice.

    Time to deploy the blame decoys: PSNI, Media, SDLP, and even the poor old church is brought into the dock. Well it did say go to the PSNI.

  • alex s

    If so many people have come forward to the police why are Sinn Fein under so much pressure, why did Gerry Adam’s risk trouble in the ranks by giving names to the police via Mrs O’Loan’s office, why is he not accusing the PSNI of lying, only last week Hugh Orde claimed that while he had information he had no evidence.

  • Roger W. Christ XVII

    There’s a lot of ridiculous things in this article. I don’t know if th author of the article is exaggerating or even inventing them or not but some of them beggar belief. More likely she’s been selective about her sources.

    “That eyewitness, along with many others, said he was prepared to give evidence to the police, but – on the advice of his solicitor – is waiting until they come looking for him.”

    Now why the hell is a person, despite requests from Sinn Fein, the IRA and the family of the victim, childishly sitting on whatever it is he knows until the police find him ? The police in all probability don’t know he exists. Are they supposed to employ psychic techniques to figure out who the witnesses are ?

    “From what can be gathered locally, said one republican, at least 30 people from the Short Strand, the nearby Markets area and others from north Belfast have voluntarily come forward, on top of the ten arrested by police.”

    There are two observations I have about this part. The first one is less relevant to the matter at hand but interesting as an observation of republican politics. If 30 people – about half the witnesses involved – have actually gone to the police does that not partly contradict the republican assertion that people in the area wouldn’t want to go to the police ? If this number is reflective of the community it suggests that almost half of people living overwhelmingly republican areas can at least bring it to themselves to go to a police station voluntarily. This casts some doubt over SF’s credibility on policing.

    The second observation is that the information is of questionable quality. First, it contradicts recent statements from the McCartney family which say that the republicans are intimidating witnesses out of saying anything. Secondly, the source is a republican, so reasonably we can assume he has a vested interest in telling the media that the IRA is not intimidating witnesses, and gee look at how many people we counted who gave statements. It is interesting that we are expected to believe that people who have gone to the police are going around to the republicans to tell them that they’ve gone to the police despite the intimidation alleged by the McCartneys. It may well be the case – but it doesn’t fit very well.

    “Had it not been for the IRA ceasefire – and the McCartney family’s appeal for due process – the two individuals believed to have been involved in the murder would, many believe, have been discovered dead by now in a hedge in south Armagh.”

    This paragraph to me further undermines any idea I might have had of the author’s impartiality. The IRA does not shoot it’s own volunteers and leave them in hedgerows when they break the rulebook. There are all kinds of killings – Andrew Kearney; Garda McCabe (an murder which at the time was as politically explosive as the McCartney murder is right now) – the murderers are not even criminals and should be released apparently; the alleged murky business behind the Stephen Montgomery murder; and this other chap recently who denies being in the IRA but who is mysteriously housed in the political wing in Maghaberry.

    The author of this article is trying to tell us that the IRA issues the death penalty to people who use their authority for their own local powerbase-controlling ends. It is rubbish. The IRA is happy to make an example out of people who step on it’s toes; how else would they retain their authority ?

    “We don’t need the British newspapers or the SDLP to tell us that Bert should not have been killed, that those who carried out behaved disgracefully and should be brought to justice.”

    It’s this weird insular and rather bigoted idea that any “outsider” who makes an observation about the killing which took place is accused of telling people what their business is. What are the political parties and media supposed to do – stay quiet about it, aiding the IRA’s objective ? Whose interests does it serve to have murders by the local boyos go uncommented in the media ?

    “However, residents are upset at the public image of their community, and this may discourage them from giving information to the police about the murder.”

    I can’t believe this rubbish. “I’m so upset about what the newspapers are saying, I’m going to keep quiet and ensure McCartney’s killers go free”. It’s ridiculous to suggest that people think in that way.

  • Belfast Gonzo

    Like many others in the Short Strand, he is wondering why no police officer has approached him yet, as he is a well-known regular at Magennis’s.

    Maybe the ‘protest’ riots in the Markets are still ringing in the PSNI’s ears.

    “Had it not been for the IRA ceasefire… the two individuals believed to have been involved in the murder would, many believe, have been discovered dead by now in a hedge in south Armagh.”

    This is pure spin.

    The IRA ceasefire doesn’t cover IRA killings of IRA members. This is no big secret.

    It’s called ‘internal housekeeping’, according to Mo Mowlam, who gave the IRA its license to kill Catholics (and, through the wonders of parity of esteem, another for loyalists to kill Protestants) with impunity.

    However, residents are upset at the public image of their community, and this may discourage them from giving information to the police about the murder.

    You might have thought that the opposite would be true, if public image is being considered.

  • ulsterman

    This whole tragic case is fast becoming a farce. The question needs to be asked, What was McCartney doing in a pub where there was IRA men?.Secondly it is well seen that the family are going to be financially rewarded. Trips to the Whitehouse etc.

    Let one hope that this is not the same McCartney who in the early 1990s stole credit cards from the post office where he worked and give them to the IRA.

  • Belfast Gonzo

    ulsterman

    I suppose you would never drink in a bar with loyalists, assuming a good God-fearing man like yourself would even know who they were?

    I’d like to know how the trip to America has resulted in ‘financial reward’, as the visit would be funded by the State Department, I would presume.

    If your other statement is true, I guess even that outlines the strength of feeling about this issue in a close-knit republican community. It certainly doesn’t justify anything though.

  • levitas

    Could it be (heaven forbid) that the PSNI, (perhaps under advice from their usual advisors), may just be a tinsy winsy bit reluctant to clear this case up promptly ? After all what would better take the pressure off the shinners? Could it be even remotely possible that certain (unreconstructed??) elements of the PSNI could see this situation as politically advantageous to their (sincerely held) but nevertheless staunchly pro-unionist views??…ooooh what have I thought? hush my mouth for even thinking such a thing!

  • Hardy Handshake

    One would like to believe that Ulsterman is either drunk as a skunk or just plain eye-spinningly mad however one doesn’t doubt that he reflects the views of similarly ignorant, cruel people who hate republicanism but have no objection in principle to the use of lethal physical force.

    His callousness isn’t readily explainable otherwise.

  • ulsterman

    As I said it was a member of the MCCartney family who stole credit cards from the Royal mail for the IRA. That family are not as squeaky clean as is portayed. The fact that his so called partner has jumped on the bandwagon only proves that their is financial rewards from stupid so called Irish Americans.

    Given the murder rate in America I hope that George Bush has the good sense to give short shift to these morons. Yes he was killed by the IRA but so were thousands of others who were a lot more innocent of any wrong doing than he was.

    God Save The Queen.

  • Roger W. Christ XVII

    Levitas, the police are probably so concerned about republicans pestering them over harrassment that they are holding back until they can collect all the information they can.

    Perhaps if the IRA didn’t go around stabbing people then politicians and the police wouldn’t have the opportunity to make propaganda out of it – n’est pas?

  • Circles

    Thats n’est-CE pas Roger.
    And a drunken thug stabed somebody – not the IRA, just to get the pedantics straight.

  • slackjaw

    Circles

    ‘And a drunken thug stabed somebody – not the IRA, just to get the pedantics straight.’

    But most people accept that IRA members were involved in the crime. Can you dissociate the actions of individual members on this occasion from the authority, integrity and legitimacy claimed by the IRA?

    Could you similarly dissociate, say, William McCaughey’s actions as a member of the RUC from the authority, integrity and legitimacy claimed for the RUC?

  • Roger W. Christ XVII

    Circle, yeah sure. A drunken thug stabbed somebody, then phoned another group of drunken thugs who drunkenly cleaned up the crime scene and drunkenly confiscated the CCTV camera evidence.

  • CavanMan

    Ulsterman

    ‘As I said it was a member of the MCCartney family who stole credit cards from the Royal mail for the IRA’

    Proof please? Earlier in your 11.54 am post it was ‘Let one hope that this is not the same McCartney who in the early 1990s stole credit cards from the post office where he worked and give them to the IRA.’ Make up your mind,Did Robert Mc Cartney do it?,or did a member of the Mc Cartney family do it? or most likely did NONE of them do it?.

    ‘Given the murder rate in America I hope that George Bush has the good sense to give short shift to these morons’.

    Explain that sentence,are you encouraging George Bush to murder the Mc Cartney family,if so that is a very sick comment,although one which is to be expected from you.

  • GavBelfast

    Well, if nothing else comes out of this whole sorry and tragic episode, at least it looks as if ‘ulsterman’ has finally come out of the closet in this thread.