"History is being made in Hillsborough"

An interesting editorial in the Belfast Telegraph on the signing at Hillsborough Castle today of ground breaking protocols between the PSNI and the Garda Siochana, also reported here, observes that “Such a move would have raised hackles in bygone years, but there is a growing acknowledgement within all parties of the need to co-operate in the fight against crime and terrorism.” – although, some hackles have been raised

  • aquifer

    Predictably peppery commentary from the flapping right wing, risking circular motion and no nett progress. Unionism is so ill at ease with success. Is it only allowed to go east west? Ireland was only ever united before under the British, why not again. Have ambition.

    Makes perfect professional sense, great for both forces. And the secondees can easily get back to the family when not working, without having to fly at all.

    Very civil, very peaceful, and will annoy all the usual suspects.

    Feather in the cap for old Bill.

  • David Vance

    Au contraire the usual republican apologists rush to welcome salami style politiking dressed up in the uniforms of the constabulary.

    This initiative is predicated on further appeasing republicans with high profile all-island gestures. When a unionist stands up and calls foul, then one can expect to read the sort of oh-so-reasonable garbage from aquifer.

    The best feather in the hat of old Bill would be to be left free from political manipulation – so they can focus on arresting the IRA/Sinn Fein gangsters.

  • peteb

    I take it you have a different idea of what co-operation in the fight against crime and terrorism should entail, David?

  • aquifer

    Mitchel’s twin evils of violence and intransigence still loom. The dark shadows are a bit skinnier of late tho’

  • David Vance

    “Co-operation” in this instance is a euphemism for Irish territorial and constititional ambition. The Garda and PSNI are quite capable of working hand in glove without patrolling each others streets. I can understand why those who supported the GFA prefer to turn a blind eye to trojan horses – but we’re not all deliberately blind.

  • Gerry O’Sullivan

    “Co-operation” in this instance is a euphemism for Irish territorial and constititional ambition.

    Oh for God’s sake, David, do you really have so little confidence in the Union that you think it could be threatened by this arrangement? The only ones threatened by this deal are the paramilitaries and criminals, who up to now have used the border to their advantage.

    It can only be a good thing for the two forces to work more closely. It also helps legitimise the PSNI in nationalist eyes by having this level of co-operation between the PSNI and the Gardaí. If more nationalists, particularly in the more hardline areas of NI come round to accepting the police, that can only be bad news for the IRA.

  • David Vance


    You confuse faith in the Union with faith in the two Governments that have presided over the corrupt Belfast Agreement – an agreement which saw criminals released from captivity and the RUC destroyed. Also, your idea that all developments here should be based around the idea of “legitimising” institutions to suit nationalists rather misses the point that UNIONIST approval must also be won – which unionist approves of Garda patrolling our streets? Perhaps they can come on here, offer up the name of the unionist party they support, and I will stand corrected. Offers?

  • aquifer

    Onionist self-identification with a colonial past, complete with religious makers, is an invitation to expulsion. The IRA needs their political disfunction as much as they need cash. Onionist refusal to deal with any practical issue other than by sectarian chauvinist reflex dooms NI to instability. The sooner they show an interest in applied governance. or just relax, the better for all concerned. In a parish council in the shires or in a golf club lounge somewhere in Surrey if necessary.

  • maca

    I think you missed the point there David. Many if not most unionists already respect the PSNI. With some Gardaí being seconded to the PSNI more and more nationalists may start to respect the PSNI. That has to be a good thing, does it not? It’s the first step to creating a police force which both communities can put their faith in, which can only have a positive effect on the job the PSNI are doing.

    p.s. many unionist approve of Garda patrolling their streets, as seen on other threads.

  • Jacko

    “Au contraire the usual republican apologists rush to welcome salami style politiking dressed up in the uniforms of the constabulary.”

    Somehow I can’t, any time soon, see too many provisional republicans rushing to welcome representatives of ANY constabulary irrespective of what uniform they’re dressed up in.