First confirmed find of Northern Bank Raid notes

The BBC are reporting that the PSNI have confirmed that the £50,000, in 5 shrink-wrapped bundles of consecutively numbered notes (sound like new notes that would have been virtually impossible to pass on), found at the Newforge Country Club in Belfast were from the Northern Bank heist. Meanwhile, RTÉ is reporting that it “understands that tests on the £60,000 seized at a house at Douglas in Cork City will confirm that it came from December’s raid on the Northern Bank”. Tracking the links between those two finds will be high on the agenda of the Gardai and PSNI investigating teams.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    RTE are reporting that in the next few days Gardai will hope to prove that the £60k in notes recovered in Cork can forensically be linked to the Northern.

  • George

    It’s not just the money found at the RUC Athletics Association that has been “confirmed” by the media, RTE have reported that the 60k found in Cork was also part of the bank raid.

  • peteb

    Sheesh.. you’d almost get the impression that some people want to see it as a race to be the first to identify those notes. 😉

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    peteb,

    you almost get to think that there are people watching the site and having a good laugh at feeding the bloggers for their own amusement.

  • peteb

    There are conspiracy theories, Pat.. and then there are conspiracy theories…

  • Jacko

    No harm intended to Pat, but nice one Pete. As I read that I could almost hear it being said, such a laugh I had.

  • Alan

    Most of the reports suggest that Newforge membership is restricted to serving and retired police. However, the membership seems to have been opened to the public last year. I remember getting a leaflet and application through the letterbox. I thought it rather odd as I had understood that membership was restricted.

  • aquifer

    A good political red herring would be a bargain at £50,000 in unlaundered cash, especially for the benefit of SF peace process ‘believers’ and political supporters overseas.

    Why support a party financially when their friends in the IRA may have millions? Hard to get those millions onto the books legally though, hence the £50,000 ‘bargain’.

  • aquifer

    A good political red herring would be a bargain at £50,000 in unlaundered cash, especially for the benefit of SF peace process ‘believers’ and political supporters overseas.

    Why support a party financially when their friends in the IRA may have millions? Hard to get those millions onto the books legally though, hence the £50,000 ‘bargain’.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    peteb,

    seeing this is your thread, I wonder how aggressively the media will follow up the proven connection between the RUC club and the stolen money or will the media hang on until the gardai come to their (apparent) rescue.

    Conspiracy theories only register with those prepared to question, the rest of the lambs follow the shepherd lol.

  • PaddyCanuck

    PSNI Quote, RE money at New Forge:

    “Initial checks would suggest that this incident is an effort to distract the police investigating the Northern Bank robbery and also to divert attention away from events elsewhere over the last two days”

    I wonder what the initial checks involved? But as Pat says, the media will swallow it.

  • ShayPaul

    (sound like new notes that would have been virtually impossible to pass on)

    Talk about a loaded blog peteb.

    Come come now, ye cannie have it both ways :

    First :
    Useless notes that the “real” thieves couldn’t pass on – so why not plant them on the old “RUC”. Very weak hypothesis, some printers spend a lifetime trying to make forged notes look like the real thing, and then pass them on. You are implying that passing on the real thing was near impossible because they were so new ….. tut tut

    Second :

    Cunning blighters these “real” thieves trying to plant it on the old “RUC”. However not cunning enough to plant obviously spanking new and impossible to pass notes.

    Which is it to be peteb ?

    I’m afraid your bracketed phrase overplayed the game and spoilt an otherwise interesting blog – some might say you were out to spoil.

    In any case it is a nice little twist to the story that the first find should be at the RUC recreation centre, does rather make the police look a little foolish n’est ce pas ?

  • peteb

    It’s the “consecutively numbered” part that, IMHO, given that those new serial numbers would be known, would make those notes difficult to pass on, Shay – without leaving a trail that is…

    Well.. at least you think the blog was “otherwise interesting”.. I do aim to please.

  • ShayPaul

    peteb

    In that case your brackets were badly written, they refer to “new” and not “numbered” – both would have been clearer. I still suspect you made a freudian slip.

    PS : Do you think passing on “numbered notes” is more difficult that “forged” ones? In some estimates 30% of the twenties in circulation in NI are duds.

    Are we not incredibly lenient with the PSNI ?

    The only confirmed notes turn up at their training centre.
    This is accepted with few questions as an elaborate plant.
    Their security at said centre is therefore totally inadequate.
    Their intelligence on the heist is to be believed without proof.

    In what other state would such leniency be accepted ?

    In what other state do those questioning such obedient acceptance receive condemnation as unreformed terrorists ?

    The democratic and judicial process is gaining no credibility from this media circus. I am afraid that the general “let’s beat up on SF before they get too much power” approach has only one positive spin off in my opinion.

    I believe that the attitude of FF may well go a long way to creating the inclusive Ireland for Unionists that the critical percentage is looking for.

    After all we often hear the cry “what are you doing to make a United Irish Republic an interesting prospect for Unionists ?”

    Answer : We can beat up SF for you, better than you ever could.”

  • peteb

    “otherwise interesting”.. but “badly written”..

    So it goes.

  • ShayPaul

    peteb

    That’s life in politics, care to answer my last risky point ?

    Admire your courage.

  • Roger W. Christ XVII

    “In what other state would such leniency be accepted ?”

    Paul, the notes were presumably found by the police, and presumably the police conducted the initial checks which confirmed the notes were from the Northern robbery. This makes your conspiracy theory collapse somewhat. Had this whole thing been a major police ruse would they have bothered telling the public the money had been found in the first place ? In any case what would cause them to leave cash in the toilets in a club frequented by police officers ?

    Given the huge raids which occurred in Cork it’s as clear as day that the thieves planted the money at the country club to swing the focus of things a little bit.

  • ShayPaul

    Roger

    1. it isn’t my conspiracy theory.

    2. maybe not all the “police” were involved … get it ?

    3. why do we have to take some things for fact without proof, and other things for conspiracy with proof ?

    This whole thing is a vast pantomime with Hugh Orde playing Widow Twanky – we may have to wait another 30 years to know the truth. One things for sure, the democratic and judicial process here is a bollix.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Orde has stated that the money was planted by the IRA and his assessment has been backed up by Paisley jnr. Well that clears that up then.

  • ShayPaul

    Dr NO junior “smells a rat”. he concludes that this is an attempt to get the police off the scent. “Well that clears that up then” as Pat says.

    Hugh Orde is glad they have started giving the money back.

    ( Widow Twanky – exit stage left chased by a bear …)

  • Roger W. Christ XVII

    Shay, it’s a matter of assessing which is the most likely out of a range of possible conclusions. I’d say that the conclusion that most people come to in this scenario is probably coloured by their political belief rather than a rational analysis of the available facts.

    Now given that only a small part of the entire haul has been recovered at Newforge, obviously someone took it from the main haul and placed it there. How likely is it that a whistleblowing police officer would do this rather than revealing the location of the entire haul ? It doesn’t add up.

    If I were the police I’d be getting a trace on the phonecall to the Police Ombudsman to determine where the “police officer” was calling from. That will undoubtedly form part of the investigation.

  • ShayPaul

    Nice one Roger,

    why don’t you e-mail the PSNI with your idea – they could do with a few.

  • Keith M

    This is a conspiracy theory straight out of the book of David Icke. Truely laughable!

  • joc

    Orde has stated that the money was planted by the IRA and his assessment has been backed up by Paisley jnr. Well that clears that up then.

    OK Pat – nice one.

    Was talking to a local peeler a few days ago and he remarked at how pissed off they were with the special branch…..

  • Henry94

    What kind of people risk arrest by walking into a Police club to plant stolen money for what could only be a joke? Crazy people?

    It seems incredible yet it is accepted without a question because the main thing is to keep the Orde theory standing.

  • Alan

    Henry,

    *What kind of people risk arrest by walking into a Police club to plant stolen money for what could only be a joke? Crazy people?*

    I credited you with more gumption than to come out with something like this. Who, but people desperate to shift attention away from themselves would do this? Are you suggesting that it was a newly emerged, dissident PSNI that made the call? And to what purpose – to give the money back?

  • barnshee

    Henry,

    *What kind of people risk arrest by walking into a Police club to plant stolen money for what could only be a joke? Crazy people?*

    Serving policemen from the republican community- the SF fellow travellers- recruited under the 50/50 rules

  • DerryTerry

    Seeing as we all seem to be offering opinions and beliefs, I thought I’d join the ranks of the uninformed but highly opinionated myself.

    Firstly, whoever robbed the bank and left the 50k at Newforge are not desperate, they are dismissive and have basically decided to flaunt it because they are confident that the PSNI will not catch them. In fact, if Hugh Orde takes this any more personally he might have to go and sit down in a darkened room.

    Secondly, the arrests and releases in Cork etc are equally an admission that the Guards and the PSNI have also concluded that they will not catch the bank robbers and have decided to show that whilst they might be rubbish at solving bank robberies they an still turn up a couple of million if they need to.

  • Henry94

    Banshee

    Serving policemen from the republican community- the SF fellow travellers- recruited under the 50/50 rules

    So you think serving members of the PSNI put the money there?

  • Roger W. Christ XVII

    So you think serving members of the PSNI put the money there?

    And risk a career termination and a jail sentence ? You have to ask yourself seriously how likely this is.

    The money was planted there by somebody and it’s reasonable to assume that since the full haul was not recovered, the money was taken from the full haul and placed where it was subsequently discovered. Whoever did it had a dark sense of humour.

  • Henry94

    Roger

    And risk a career termination and a jail sentence ?

    But whoever did it ran the risk of a jail sentence.